Radamel "the project" Falcao

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

Its a crisis of confidence after LVG shattered him.

Jose will work his magic and have him banging them in.

 

Not sure I agree that it's only confidence, Zola. He just seems to have lost that predatory instinct and I'm not convinced he's up to the pace and aggressive aspect of the premier league. Could obviously be proven wrong, but I feel that if we are to be mounting a serious challenge for both the PL and the champions league then we should be setting our sights higher than Falcao.

 

The transfer seems to go against everything that the club has been building towards over the last few years by focusing on young players; many of us are in agreement that the loan system is effective as a business model, but are disappointed not to see more young exciting talent being brought through that same system and into the first team. I'm not comfortable with recruiting players at this age, on this kind of money - it's not future proof, and as an established, premier league winning club, we should not be looking at players as "stop gaps". 

 

If he scores plenty of goals and hits form then great, but if that results in us shelling out c.£35m next summer to buy a 30 year old with injury history, to the ultimate detriment of our young strikers in the academy / reserves, then I will feel the same way about it in 12 months as I do now. 

[Blue Daze]

Not sure I agree that it's only confidence, Zola. He just seems to have lost that predatory instinct and I'm not convinced he's up to the pace and aggressive aspect of the premier league. Could obviously be proven wrong, but I feel that if we are to be mounting a serious challenge for both the PL and the champions league then we should be setting our sights higher than Falcao.

 

 

Pace is an interesting one because he's always thrived in teams who have played with pace and on the counter - United didn't do that. They played a high-possession game that didn't play to Falcao's strengths.

 

We don't play that.

 

 

The transfer seems to go against everything that the club has been building towards over the last few years by focusing on young players; many of us are in agreement that the loan system is effective as a business model, but are disappointed not to see more young exciting talent being brought through that same system and into the first team. I'm not comfortable with recruiting players at this age, on this kind of money - it's not future proof, and as an established, premier league winning club, we should not be looking at players as "stop gaps". 

 

Two issues. First, we didn't just go for young players because they were young. They were value purchases.

 

Secondly, and this feeds into the first point, we have exceptional young talent but they aren't quite ready yet in my opinion. Bamford needs to prove himself at this level whilst Solanke and Abraham are probably a year or two off so what we absolutely need is a stop-gap who won't be a financial impediment to them breaking through next season or the season after. That provides us with value in a different way as well as manoeuvrability in the market.

 

The market for strikers this summer is poor. Very poor. So why not simply replace what you're losing in the squad and look to try and improve in other areas, then come back to address this area next season when you not only have the potential of a stronger market but also potential youth options.

 

 

If he scores plenty of goals and hits form then great, but if that results in us shelling out c.£35m next summer to buy a 30 year old with injury history, to the ultimate detriment of our young strikers in the academy / reserves, then I will feel the same way about it in 12 months as I do now. 

 

We won't sign him in 12 months.

Edited June 18, 2015 by Blue Daze

[Chelsbear]

Not sure I agree that it's only confidence, Zola. He just seems to have lost that predatory instinct and I'm not convinced he's up to the pace and aggressive aspect of the premier league. Could obviously be proven wrong, but I feel that if we are to be mounting a serious challenge for both the PL and the champions league then we should be setting our sights higher than Falcao.

The transfer seems to go against everything that the club has been building towards over the last few years by focusing on young players; many of us are in agreement that the loan system is effective as a business model, but are disappointed not to see more young exciting talent being brought through that same system and into the first team. I'm not comfortable with recruiting players at this age, on this kind of money - it's not future proof, and as an established, premier league winning club, we should not be looking at players as "stop gaps".

If he scores plenty of goals and hits form then great, but if that results in us shelling out c.£35m next summer to buy a 30 year old with injury history, to the ultimate detriment of our young strikers in the academy / reserves, then I will feel the same way about it in 12 months as I do now.

Agree with that mate.

Good points.

[Chelsbear]

Agreed. At his age it is hard to imagine him recovering from that knee injury. I am just hopeful that he is use very sparingly, if at all, and sincerely hope that Costa stays fit.

Yeah my hope is Remy stays and covers whenever Costa cannot play, the less we see of Falcao the better IMO as those two are miles ahead of him these days.

His fall from grace reminds me so much of Torres, difference being Torres was a few years younger when his downfall started.

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

There's a chap who posted on the Diego Costa thread with a very similar name to your's. You're a different person right?

 

http://www.theshedend.com/topic/25584-diego-costa-to-chelsea/

 

Yes I am a different person. You're on ignore now though so the chances are I wont be able to read your insightful and widely welcomed retort. 

 

 

Bye felipe 

Edited June 18, 2015 by CFC_RFC_TID!

[Blue Daze]

Yes I am a different person. You're on ignore now though so the chances are I wont be able to read your insightful and widely welcomed retort. 

 

 

Bye felipe 

 

Fair enough. I appreciated you apologising and backing down on what you called me a while back.

 

See you in August 

 

Hey, I see you checking me out. You cad!

 

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[big blue]

I really can't see a scenario where we pay 35m for him next summer. Has this figure been confirmed? I think if he does really well and scores 10-15 goals his price next year would be closer to 25m or we would walk away.

Monaco will be in an even more trickier position next summer, and in all likelihood he will either be sold on the cheap or loaned out for the remainder of his contract.

We have been in the same boat with torres, Sheva, veron, and Crespo.

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

I really can't see a scenario where we pay 35m for him next summer. Has this figure been confirmed? I think if he does really well and scores 10-15 goals his price next year would be closer to 25m or we would walk away.

Monaco will be in an even more trickier position next summer, and in all likelihood he will either be sold on the cheap or loaned out for the remainder of his contract.

We have been in the same boat with torres, Sheva, veron, and Crespo.

Just from reports. ESPN have stated it is a buyout clause of £35m and seems to be the widely quoted figure.

 

Regardless, would you be happy to pay £25m for him next season at that age, or do you think you'd prefer to go down the route of youth players and promotion of one of our academy products (assuming bamford for instance does the job whilst on loan this season? There's no right or wrong answer to this, just curious as different fans have different positions regards recruitment. 

 

Not sure what your position is on it, but for me, I'd be happier seeing us bring through some young players - especially since jose himself has stated that he will have "failed" if he doesnt manage to integrate these kids into our team. Signing falcao on a permanent deal, should it happen, would go against this at its very core. 

 

Also - given the fact that we have been in a similar position to monaco with sheva, crespo etc, why expose ourselves to such a situation again by taking him on a permanent deal? screams to me of short term-ism and i had hoped those days were behind us with our scouting system being the best in the league by a country mile. 

 

Neville had some interesting points on our youth policy... worth a watch if you havent already seen it. But this opens us up into a wider discussion, not principally relating to falcao. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V2JnXMhW04 

Edited June 18, 2015 by CFC_RFC_TID!

[Blue Daze]

I really can't see a scenario where we pay 35m for him next summer. Has this figure been confirmed? I think if he does really well and scores 10-15 goals his price next year would be closer to 25m or we would walk away.

Monaco will be in an even more trickier position next summer, and in all likelihood he will either be sold on the cheap or loaned out for the remainder of his contract.

We have been in the same boat with torres, Sheva, veron, and Crespo.

 

Precisely. I think there's zero chance of us actually taking this option up.

 

What we've got is a guy to replace Drogba for a season for about £12.5 million. Drogba cost us about £3 million last season and we've sold Kakuta for about £2.5 million today so it's Drogba + Kakuta + £7 million at the moment, if you want to look at it like that. 

 

There's scope for this to be a success. Anyone with half a brain can see that so it's about being positive. But for some that isn't something that comes naturally whilst others have painted themselves into a corner because they're afraid of losing an internet argument.

 

There are no certainties. No transfer is a guaranteed success or not so all you can do is look at the exposure to risk, the potential upside and the opportunity cost of any deal and decide based on that. For me, looking at those factors it's actually a pretty sensible deal that fits into what we were doing a couple of years ago. 

[Blue Daze]

Just from reports. ESPN have stated it is a buyout clause of £35m and seems to be the widely quoted figure.

 

Regardless, would you be happy to pay £25m for him next season at that age, or do you think you'd prefer to go down the route of youth players and promotion of one of our academy products (assuming bamford for instance does the job whilst on loan this season? There's no right or wrong answer to this, just curious as different fans have different positions regards recruitment. 

 

Not sure what your position is on it, but for me, I'd be happier seeing us bring through some young players - especially since jose himself has stated that he will have "failed" if he doesnt manage to integrate these kids into our team. Signing falcao on a permanent deal, should it happen, would go against this at its very core. 

 

 

But the thing is Bamford needs football and he wouldn't get that here. He needs to prove himself in the Premier League first and to be quite honest, he needs to surprise people because right now he's not got the most potential of our young strikers. For our system, Solanke and Traore are both regarded as better prospects.

 

Signing Falcao doesn't go against it in the slightest. He's a short-term stop-gap whilst these youngsters are still developing. 

 

In fact signing Benteke as you suggested would be a far greater impediment purely on financial grounds over a five year period than Falcao would.

 

 

Also - given the fact that we have been in a similar position to monaco with sheva, crespo etc, why expose ourselves to such a situation again by taking him on a permanent deal? screams to me of short term-ism and i had hoped those days were behind us with our scouting system being the best in the league by a country mile. 

 

We won't sign him on a permanent deal at that price.

[Zola]

5 reasons why it could be a masterstroke

1. Replacing Didier Drogba

The Colombian international faltered under the pressure to lead Louis van Gaal's attack last season, but his time at the Blues would be very different.

With Diego Costa and Loic Remy - or another striker in case the France international opts to go - also in Mourinho's ranks, Falcao can't be expected to be the main man but just a mere complement and even the third choice striker.

This way, in the worst case scenario he would probably equal Drogba's last season contribution (7 goals in all competitions) but should he recapture his best form, Chelsea would have signed a over 20-goal-a-season striker snubbed by United.

2. Diego Costa's partnership

Costa returned to Atletico Madrid in summer 2012 after a number of loan spells abroad to be Falcao's understudy. However, the Spaniard eventually turned into the perfect partner for the Colombian international.

Falcao ended that 2012-2013 season with 34 goals in 40 appearances for Diego Simeone's side while Costa provided 15 assists and netted a further 20, including one to beat Mourinho's Real Madrid side in the Copa del Rey final following a pass from the Colombian.

So should Falcao manage to replicate his Atletico Madrid glory days he will become not just a back-up but a good partner of Costa to provide Mourinho the possibility to form a deadly attacking trio alongside Eden Hazard.

3. Support for Juan Cuadrado

The Blues spent around £25m to sign Cuadrado from Fiorentina during the last January transfer window but the winger has struggled to prove his worth during his first months at Stamford Bridge.

Falcao, who is fluent in English, could help his compatriot and National Teammate to finally settle into the Premier League life to replicate his Fiorentina form. So if they manage to help each other Mourinho would have won twice.

4. Blow for van Gaal and Mourinho's lesson

Louis van Gaal intends to beat Chelsea for the Premier League title next season, but could find an unexpected obstacle in Falcao's goals. Should Falcao manage to recoup his clinical skills up front, his goals could complicate his former boss's aim and help Chelsea to revalidate the title.

Football is full of revenge stories and it would be good to remember that Danny Welbeck was the one who prevented van Gaal from winning the FA Cup in his first season at Old Trafford just months after being snubbed by the Dutchman.

Falcao was probably guilty for his situation at Old Trafford but it would be fair to say that van Gaal barely gave him the chance to play in his favoured position up-front. Mourinho, who has never hidden his admiration for the Colombian, will probably not repeat that and will have the chance to give a lesson to the Dutch boss.

5. Money

According to Standard Sport, Falcao is going to accept a huge cut in the £265,000-a-week he earned at Old Trafford to a get something closer to £130,000 a week at West London

Falcao's gesture is unusual in the world of football and is proof that the Colombian international has decided to make every effort to get back to his best with the Blues.

Even though some may still argue the £6m Chelsea need to pay Monaco for his one-year-loan deal is a gamble, it is also true that just two summers ago every Premier League club would accept such a deal as a bargain.

It is worth pointing out that Falcao was then considered just behind Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the ranking of the world's best, and despite two seasons in white, the 29-year-old doesn't look like he's done just yet.

Edited June 18, 2015 by Zola

[ducavis]

 

Secondly, and this feeds into the first point, we have exceptional young talent but they aren't quite ready yet in my opinion. Bamford needs to prove himself at this level whilst Solanke and Abraham are probably a year or two off so what we absolutely need is a stop-gap who won't be a financial impediment to them breaking through next season or the season after. That provides us with value in a different way as well as manoeuvrability in the market.

 

The market for strikers this summer is poor. Very poor. So why not simply replace what you're losing in the squad and look to try and improve in other areas, then come back to address this area next season when you not only have the potential of a stronger market but also potential youth options.

 

 

We won't sign him in 12 months.

I have seen the line "...they are not ready" and "they need to prove themselves" when referring to our youth players and I am intrigued by the general thinking and what this entails. For example does Bamford need to score 15 league goals in the PL before he is good enough for us?, Does it matter if he scores these goals at a Leicester or a Southampton? We were here 2 seasons ago with Lukaku who proved himself at West Brom & Everton, and we still sold. We could go back & forth on the reasons why but if Jose had dug his heels in and valued him, he would still be here. Sterling who is now valued at about £50m after 2 seasons (and better than anyone we have not named Hazard), was almost sent away on loan 2 seasons if they had bought either one of Salah/Willian (can't remember who exactly). Kane was playing on loan at Leicester in the championship 2 seasons ago and wasn't exactly prolific for them, a full season with Spurs and he is now rated at £40m. Wilshere was on loan at Wanderers at 18 in the championship and bias aside, he is one of the best CMs in the league when fit. For Falcao's sake; Wilson at 19 started a few games ahead of him and whatever you think of LVG's tactics last season, he looked a much better player. Even if he is not at UTD next season, a mid-table side will take a chance on him as a starter.

I cited the examples above because for whatever reason we fans believe the burden to develop a player lies with the individual player or the club they are loaned to. IMO this is wrong and no player will ever come through what is arguably the best youth system in Europe if the manager and the club carry on in this direction. Already a few good players have already fallen through and long term just like we have done with past youth generations, we will argue that the fact they ended up in an average team is proof they were never good enough. Do I think Bamford needs a loan move? Absolutely not, you stick a player with potential (e.g. Wilshere) in a top team, he will develop and look better. You keep shuttling them off on loan to average team, and they will remain at that level. No world class young player (e.g Pogba) did that by either being on loan or stuck in the reserve/the bench. Once top clubs (e.g. Monaco/Marseille) start demanding your youth/loan players on loan, maybe it's time to start sticking them in your first team squad and stop spending big money on average squad players.

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

5 reasons why it could be a masterstroke

1. Replacing Didier Drogba

The Colombian international faltered under the pressure to lead Louis van Gaal's attack last season, but his time at the Blues would be very different.

With Diego Costa and Loic Remy - or another striker in case the France international opts to go - also in Mourinho's ranks, Falcao can't be expected to be the main man but just a mere complement and even the third choice striker.

This way, in the worst case scenario he would probably equal Drogba's last season contribution (7 goals in all competitions) but should he recapture his best form, Chelsea would have signed a over 20-goal-a-season striker snubbed by United.

2. Diego Costa's partnership

Costa returned to Atletico Madrid in summer 2012 after a number of loan spells abroad to be Falcao's understudy. However, the Spaniard eventually turned into the perfect partner for the Colombian international.

Falcao ended that 2012-2013 season with 34 goals in 40 appearances for Diego Simeone's side while Costa provided 15 assists and netted a further 20, including one to beat Mourinho's Real Madrid side in the Copa del Rey final following a pass from the Colombian.

So should Falcao manage to replicate his Atletico Madrid glory days he will become not just a back-up but a good partner of Costa to provide Mourinho the possibility to form a deadly attacking trio alongside Eden Hazard.

3. Support for Juan Cuadrado

The Blues spent around £25m to sign Cuadrado from Fiorentina during the last January transfer window but the winger has struggled to prove his worth during his first months at Stamford Bridge.

Falcao, who is fluent in English, could help his compatriot and National Teammate to finally settle into the Premier League life to replicate his Fiorentina form. So if they manage to help each other Mourinho would have won twice.

4. Blow for van Gaal and Mourinho's lesson

Louis van Gaal intends to beat Chelsea for the Premier League title next season, but could find an unexpected obstacle in Falcao's goals. Should Falcao manage to recoup his clinical skills up front, his goals could complicate his former boss's aim and help Chelsea to revalidate the title.

Football is full of revenge stories and it would be good to remember that Danny Welbeck was the one who prevented van Gaal from winning the FA Cup in his first season at Old Trafford just months after being snubbed by the Dutchman.

Falcao was probably guilty for his situation at Old Trafford but it would be fair to say that van Gaal barely gave him the chance to play in his favoured position up-front. Mourinho, who has never hidden his admiration for the Colombian, will probably not repeat that and will have the chance to give a lesson to the Dutch boss.

5. Money

According to Standard Sport, Falcao is going to accept a huge cut in the £265,000-a-week he earned at Old Trafford to a get something closer to £130,000 a week at West London

Falcao's gesture is unusual in the world of football and is proof that the Colombian international has decided to make every effort to get back to his best with the Blues.

Even though some may still argue the £6m Chelsea need to pay Monaco for his one-year-loan deal is a gamble, it is also true that just two summers ago every Premier League club would accept such a deal as a bargain.

It is worth pointing out that Falcao was then considered just behind Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the ranking of the world's best, and despite two seasons in white, the 29-year-old doesn't look like he's done just yet.

 

1 - If Remy stays, happy with that

2 - Cannot see them being on the same pitch very often. What system would we adopt? Genuine question as I am not sure who would play where to adapt the shape to have both falcao and costa on the same pitch 

3 - we have several spanish speaking players in our ranks - dave, t-bo who translated from spanish on behalf of costa in an interview earlier in the season, fab... etc etc... so i'm not wholly convinced that having someone from colombia specifically would make a huge difference, but who knows. could help. 

4 - the money thing i simply disagree with. it could be value, then again it could be a total holocaust even at £130k per week. What world do we live in where we consider it reasonable to pay £130k per week and say "ah never mind" if a player is not doing the business? That is more than what Fabregas is earning (according to a quick skim of reports online which tout him at c.€6m pa). Shelling out on a younger player with a sell on value in the eventuality that it doesnt work out for me represents better value than a sunk cost that cannot be re-couped. Again this places emphasis on failure, which is by no means certain. 

 

Simply pointing out that for every reason why it could work, there's a counter argument for why it could not. To dismiss two seasons in the abyss and to put faith in our manager to turn around his fortunes is, in my opinion, wishful. 

 

I remain "to be convinced" and sincerely hope that I am proven wrong, but as it stands, my judgement is that the weighting is adversely proportionate to the positives cited in this post. 

Edited June 18, 2015 by CFC_RFC_TID!

[IliyaKrostin]

 

Please no.

[Blue Daze]

I have seen the line "...they are not ready" and "they need to prove themselves" when referring to our youth players and I am intrigued by the general thinking and what this entails. For example does Bamford need to score 15 league goals in the PL before he is good enough for us?, Does it matter if he scores these goals at a Leicester or a Southampton? We were here 2 seasons ago with Lukaku who proved himself at West Brom & Everton, and we still sold. We could go back & forth on the reasons why but if Jose had dug his heels in and valued him, he would still be here. Sterling who is now valued at about £50m after 2 seasons (and better than anyone we have not named Hazard), was almost sent away on loan 2 seasons if they had bought either one of Salah/Willian (can't remember who exactly). Kane was playing on loan at Leicester in the championship 2 seasons ago and wasn't exactly prolific for them, a full season with Spurs and he is now rated at £40m. Wilshere was on loan at Wanderers at 18 in the championship and bias aside, he is one of the best CMs in the league when fit. For Falcao's sake; Wilson at 19 started a few games ahead of him and whatever you think of LVG's tactics last season, he looked a much better player. Even if he is not at UTD next season, a mid-table side will take a chance on him as a starter.

I cited the examples above because for whatever reason we fans believe the burden to develop a player lies with the individual player or the club they are loaned to. IMO this is wrong and no player will ever come through what is arguably the best youth system in Europe if the manager and the club carry on in this direction. Already a few good players have already fallen through and long term just like we have done with past youth generations, we will argue that the fact they ended up in an average team is proof they were never good enough. Do I think Bamford needs a loan move? Absolutely not, you stick a player with potential (e.g. Wilshere) in a top team, he will develop and look better. You keep shuttling them off on loan to average team, and they will remain at that level. No world class young player (e.g Pogba) did that by either being on loan or stuck in the reserve/the bench. Once top clubs (e.g. Monaco/Marseille) start demanding your youth/loan players on loan, maybe it's time to start sticking them in your first team squad and stop spending big money on average squad players.

Nice post and I'll respond to it fully later, but just out of interest how many minutes does Bamford get here next season in your opinion. In mine it's 600. Is that enough for him to continue his development and if not, when does he actually play football?

[Stim]

Never thought I'd read a thread about us signing falcao and being so underwhelmed. But here we are

[dkw]

Shows how quickly things change in football, 2 years ago if we signed Falcao 99.95 of fans would be absolutely buzzing about it, the striker we have needed for years. One poor season and now its a worry and a gamble. Me, I think its a massive gamble that wont work, but once hes our player I will back him and hope he, and Mourinho prove me wrong.

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

Shows how quickly things change in football, 2 years ago if we signed Falcao 99.95 of fans would be absolutely buzzing about it, the striker we have needed for years. One poor season and now its a worry and a gamble. Me, I think its a massive gamble that wont work, but once hes our player I will back him and hope he, and Mourinho prove me wrong.

 

Probably about as sensible and salient a post as one can articulate on here. Sums up the tit-for-tat which has been going on over a multitude of pages now. 

 

He's been bang average, at best, for a while, used to be quality, we've been here before, might not work, yet could slot in nicely and prove us wrong, so hopefully he comes good.

 

Simples. 

[Blue Daze]

I have seen the line "...they are not ready" and "they need to prove themselves" when referring to our youth players and I am intrigued by the general thinking and what this entails.

 

 

Each player is different. Some are more ready, some are simply better so it's not a sweeping statement.

 

 For example does Bamford need to score 15 league goals in the PL before he is good enough for us?, Does it matter if he scores these goals at a Leicester or a Southampton? We were here 2 seasons ago with Lukaku who proved himself at West Brom & Everton, and we still sold. We could go back & forth on the reasons why but if Jose had dug his heels in and valued him, he would still be here.

 

 

If Jose thought he was good enough or had the right attitude, he'd definitely be here. He isn't, he doesn't so he was sold.

 

Bamford has a fantastic attitude but he might not be good enough for us. He needs to do it at PL level in my opinion, ideally at Southampton but anywhere he's playing at the top level regularly would be great.

 

I cited the examples above because for whatever reason we fans believe the burden to develop a player lies with the individual player or the club they are loaned to. IMO this is wrong and no player will ever come through what is arguably the best youth system in Europe if the manager and the club carry on in this direction. Already a few good players have already fallen through and long term just like we have done with past youth generations, we will argue that the fact they ended up in an average team is proof they were never good enough.

 

 

It's down to both the player and the club. You've cited 4 examples, there are hundreds of examples of players who don't make the top grade. What players do need is an opportunity and they are easier to come by at Spurs or Liverpool simply because they aren't as good as us. Who was Sterling's competition at Liverpool? Aspas? Who was Kane's competition at Spurs? Soldado? And he still had to wait for him to get injured.

 

It's very hard for a youngster to break through here but Bamford probably has a better chance with Premier League experience under his belt.

 

Do I think Bamford needs a loan move? Absolutely not, you stick a player with potential (e.g. Wilshere) in a top team, he will develop and look better. You keep shuttling them off on loan to average team, and they will remain at that level. No world class young player (e.g Pogba) did that by either being on loan or stuck in the reserve/the bench. Once top clubs (e.g. Monaco/Marseille) start demanding your youth/loan players on loan, maybe it's time to start sticking them in your first team squad and stop spending big money on average squad players.

 

Fair enough. But why Bamford? Why not Solanke?

[big blue]

Just from reports. ESPN have stated it is a buyout clause of £35m and seems to be the widely quoted figure.

Regardless, would you be happy to pay £25m for him next season at that age, or do you think you'd prefer to go down the route of youth players and promotion of one of our academy products (assuming bamford for instance does the job whilst on loan this season? There's no right or wrong answer to this, just curious as different fans have different positions regards recruitment.

Not sure what your position is on it, but for me, I'd be happier seeing us bring through some young players - especially since jose himself has stated that he will have "failed" if he doesnt manage to integrate these kids into our team. Signing falcao on a permanent deal, should it happen, would go against this at its very core.

Also - given the fact that we have been in a similar position to monaco with sheva, crespo etc, why expose ourselves to such a situation again by taking him on a permanent deal? screams to me of short term-ism and i had hoped those days were behind us with our scouting system being the best in the league by a country mile.

Neville had some interesting points on our youth policy... worth a watch if you havent already seen it. But this opens us up into a wider discussion, not principally relating to falcao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V2JnXMhW04

For me to be happy to pay 25m for him next season, he would need to have an outstanding season, and put all talk of his fitness behind him.

That at moment seems unlikely, but not impossible. In all probability he will be better than last season but not good enough for us to fork out out that kind of money on. But you also have to consider monaco's position next summer, if he does okay, I would be interested in extending his loan for the remaining 2 years of his monaco contract. Monaco won't get a transfer fee for falcao now unless he gets close to his 2012 form. It's monaco that are in the torres situation, not us. If we can take advantage of someone else's big money flop then let's do it.

This is all dependant on whether falcao contributes of course. It also depends on whether bamford, solanke, or traore step up next season, because at the moment none are ready imo.

The one year loan allows us to review the situation next summer, when there will probably be a few more viable transfer targets, should falcao and the youth products not work out.

Il be disappointed if we lose remy, but you also have to expect costa to play more this season than he did the last. We won't go into the season with only 2 strikers, and we have just as much chance of having to rely on falcao, as we did a 37 year old drogba.

I do find it strange how many people are cursing thus transfer. Everyone has moaned over the years about abramovic supposedly forcing players onto managers, and how managers should have final say on transfers. Well this is Mourinho's man 100%, he wanted him last year when he was injured, and now he has seen him regain fitness and had a year of premier league experience, he still wants him. It has nothing to do with proving van gaal wrong, Mourinho has been a massive fan for a long time.

Let's at least give it until xmas before we say whether this is good or bad buisness.

[CFC_RFC_TID!]

For me to be happy to pay 25m for him next season, he would need to have an outstanding season, and put all talk of his fitness behind him.

That at moment seems unlikely, but not impossible. In all probability he will be better than last season but not good enough for us to fork out out that kind of money on. But you also have to consider monaco's position next summer, if he does okay, I would be interested in extending his loan for the remaining 2 years of his monaco contract. Monaco won't get a transfer fee for falcao now unless he gets close to his 2012 form. It's monaco that are in the torres situation, not us. If we can take advantage of someone else's big money flop then let's do it.

This is all dependant on whether falcao contributes of course. It also depends on whether bamford, solanke, or traore step up next season, because at the moment none are ready imo.

The one year loan allows us to review the situation next summer, when there will probably be a few more viable transfer targets, should falcao and the youth products not work out.

Il be disappointed if we lose remy, but you also have to expect costa to play more this season than he did the last. We won't go into the season with only 2 strikers, and we have just as much chance of having to rely on falcao, as we did a 37 year old drogba.

I do find it strange how many people are cursing thus transfer. Everyone has moaned over the years about abramovic supposedly forcing players onto managers, and how managers should have final say on transfers. Well this is Mourinho's man 100%, he wanted him last year when he was injured, and now he has seen him regain fitness and had a year of premier league experience, he still wants him. It has nothing to do with proving van gaal wrong, Mourinho has been a massive fan for a long time.

Let's at least give it until xmas before we say whether this is good or bad buisness.

Valid post mate. Just for me comes back to whether this will stifle opportunities for our younger players. If he does hit blistering form, where would that leave Costa? This is what is confusing me about it... Hard to see falcao actually getting the opportunity to impress in the first place, and for a man that clearly needs more time to adapt to the league, that isn't going to happen sitting on the bench.

Good point re Roman though.

[AnIrishTrueBlue]

Seems to be done so, Falcao for Ballon D'or

[Tea Bar Boy]

Just spoke to a Man Utd friend who is a season ticket holder and views I respect ,

his opening line was another - veron from us to you shame we couldn't mug you for some money again.... nice guy but was absolutely dire for them last season lost all his pace and confidence ....he did say Thanks for Mata ...git !!

I hope it works out for us and him !

On the debate in regards to youth this was a big topic for discussion in the pub before the last game of the season .

The question was would you suffer 2 years of winning nothing and finishing outside the top 4 whilst a team of young players was built - the resounding answer was yes ..........

.. the trouble is I doubt the board or sponsors would allow this to happen , and our internet worldwide fans would not accept it

Edited June 18, 2015 by Tea Bar Boy

[General]

Rock me Amedeus was pants again vs Brazil yesterday

 

Now that lad James, he'd be well worth a punt on !!

 

 

 Cuadrado had a blinder of a game, reminded me of his WC with Colombia

 

 

ill be very surprised if Falcao proves anything at Chelsea, and now Remy will want out as club wont pay that money for a # 3

 

Love Jose, but some decisions I cant fathom, this one the most since his return

 

like others, Im disappointed but will back him IF it is a done deal

[bjd]

Just spoke to a Man Utd friend who is a season ticket holder and views I respect ,

his opening line was another - veron from us to you shame we couldn't mug you for some money again.... nice guy but was absolutely dire for them last season lost all his pace and confidence ....he did say Thanks for Mata ...git !!

I hope it works out for us and him !

On the debate in regards to youth this was a big topic for discussion in the pub before the last game of the season .

The question was would you suffer 2 years of winning nothing and finishing outside the top 4 whilst a team of young players was built - the resounding answer was yes ..........

.. the trouble is I doubt the board or sponsors would allow this to happen , and our internet worldwide fans would not accept it

Well said TBB

There is not one Chelsea fan I have come into contact with who thinks Falcao will last more than the year. And he won't.

Whilst I appreciate all the comments about no risk etc etc it still narks me a little. We all know how it's going to end.

Edited June 18, 2015 by bjd