wasn't Mikel the Captain of the Team?

Nope. It was Enyeama. But Mikel is now the captain.

Have you people actually watched Cuadrado play for us? I'd rather we play with a block of wood than him.

Yes, I have watched him play for us under a manager who doesn't rate him. And am willing to see how he will fair under a manager that has confidence in him.

Don't see Messi with any winners medals for Argentina either...

 

Its obvious that Pedro is the true legend, not Messi. Team trophies don't lie.

It's also obvious that Pedro is a better player than both Moses and Caudrado.

It's also obvious that Pedro is a better player than both Moses and Caudrado.

 

And yet so far Moses has been better for Chelsea than Pedro has been,,,

Pedro has always been an overrated average player, useful as a sub for Barcelona, but not top level material. He's 29 already and won't get any better. He masked his limitations by managing to play for elite teams, but the moment he had to come to the forefront he failed to shine.

And yet so far Moses has been better for Chelsea than Pedro has been,,,

Pedro has always been an overrated average player, useful as a sub for Barcelona, but not top level material. He's 29 already and won't get any better. He masked his limitations by managing to play for elite teams, but the moment he had to come to the forefront he failed to shine.

Not sure how Moses has been better for Chelsea?

He managed one goal in 23 league appearances for us.

Perdo got 7 in 29 in what was his first season in England playing for the worst performing Chelsea side in two decades.

Pedro isn't world class but he's a very capable player who's was a mainstay at the greatest club side arguably of all time. Victor Moses meanwhile has had failed loan spells at Liverpool, Stoke and West Ham. Never once getting close to scoring double figures in the league over a 10 year period.

Caudrado, as we all know is pants, so doesn't require further discussion.

And yet so far Moses has been better for Chelsea than Pedro has been,,,

Pedro has always been an overrated average player, useful as a sub for Barcelona, but not top level material. He's 29 already and won't get any better. He masked his limitations by managing to play for elite teams, but the moment he had to come to the forefront he failed to shine.

So much wrong, do much embarrassingly wrong.

Not sure how Moses has been better for Chelsea?

He managed one goal in 23 league appearances for us.

Perdo got 7 in 29 in what was his first season in England playing for the worst performing Chelsea side in two decades.

Pedro isn't world class but he's a very capable player who's was a mainstay at the greatest club side arguably of all time. Victor Moses meanwhile has had failed loan spells at Liverpool, Stoke and West Ham. Never once getting close to scoring double figures in the league over a 10 year period.

Caudrado, as we all know is pants, so doesn't require further discussion.

Moses' role in the squad in 12/13 was as a squad player. He played 1121 minutes spread over 23 PL games in which he scored 1 goal. I know thats not a good return by any standard but the fact is that most of his appearances/minutes would have been as sub and its naive to compare it to pedro who got 2042 minutes of PL football and scored 7 goals which included 2 braces against newcastle and aston villa - sh*tteams against whom we would have won if we had played john swift. I don't know what made you compare their Pl stats solely, because that's like comparing apples and oranges and coming to the conclusion that apples are better because they are "redder".

Let's take a look at both the player's one season each at the club.

Moses' chelsea career reads - 2398 minutes, 10 goals, 5 assists

Pedro's chelsea career reads - 2615 minutes, 8 goals, 3 assists.

Its not hard to see why people would say that Moses has been better.

Also Moses is far more younger, an HG player, better suited for the squad role than pedro (I mean why would pedro shift from the barca bench only to sit on the Chelsea bench). I am sure he would be a problem to the squad harmony in that case. And in case he is actually somehow a first teamer for conte, then wrll we have way bigger problems than deciding who is better between 3 average players who at best should be sub role players for a team looking to win the pl.

Edited July 24, 20169 yr by didierforever

Moses' role in the squad in 12/13 was as a squad player. He played 1121 minutes spread over 23 PL games in which he scored 1 goal. I know thats not a good return by any standard but the fact is that most of his appearances/minutes would have been as sub and its naive to compare it to pedro who got 2042 minutes of PL football and scored 7 goals which included 2 braces against newcastle and aston villa - sh*tteams against whom we would have won if we had played john swift. 

Moses' chelsea career reads - 2398 minutes, 10 goals, 5 assists

Pedro's chelsea career reads - 2615 minutes, 8 goals, 3 assists.

Its not hard to see which one has been "better".

 You're conveniently forgetting that Pedro's only season here was in the worst team performance this club has seen in decades whilst Moses had the benefit of playing in a title challenging sides firing on all cylidners.

 

But if you don't think that has any relevance.....

 

PS.  Also noticed you sht on 2 of Pedro's goals but atleast 7 of his 8 came in the league (one in the CC) where as Moses had had 7 of his 10 goals against the likes of Basel, Rubin, Wolves, Boro and Leeds (sorry, so what are these teams if Newcastle and Astone Villa are sh*t?) and only one of Moses' goals was actually in the league where he had 23 appearances (12 starts)

 

It becomes much easier to see when you look at the evidences unbiased, just for the future.

You're conveniently forgetting that Pedro's only season here was in the worst team performance this club has seen in decades whilst Moses had the benefit of playing in a title challenging sides firing on all cylidners.

But if you don't think that has any relevance.....

PS. Also noticed you sht on 2 of Pedro's goals but atleast 7 of his 8 came in the league (one in the CC) where as Moses had had 7 of his 10 goals against the likes of Basel, Rubin, Wolves, Boro and Leeds (sorry, so what are these teams if Newcastle and Astone Villa are sh*t?) and only one of Moses' goals was actually in the league where he had 23 appearances (12 starts)

It becomes much easier to see when you look at the evidences unbiased, just for the future.

Firing on all cylinders. I must be remembering something very different. I mean, I remember a very young squad which went thru a lot of change in the summer. Buying players like Oscar and hazard who had just hit puberty, having a manager like rdm (God bless him for our cl win, but he should never have continued). Compare that to the squad of the last year. Pedro came into this team after 3 matches. He was a first teamer for most of the season. One of the reasons for last season's failures cause can be said to be pEdro too who was below average for the most of the season.

No no. I sh*t on 4 of pedro'a goals. Out of his 7 pl goals. Yes, Moses scored against those teams and was one of our best performers in the Europa league and I feel that's what we need. A squad player who can do a job in the league cup and fa cup and easily be replaced next year with the likes of musonda.

Do you think pedro is starting material? If not, then why should he be here. Won't it be a problem since he moved from a club like barca for game time. If yes, then over who? Hazard? Willian? Both are light year better players than pedro. I just don't see the use of a 29 year old average player in a season where we don't have Cl fixture contestion.

I expect big things from Pedro this season, he was always going to take time to settle and get used to the PL, he has been in that Barcelona bubble for so long, its almost like playing a new sport coming to the PL, but towards the end of last season he was showing his class, and i am excited to see him play in a functioning Chelsea team

Edited July 24, 20169 yr by pacquiao

Well you might want to refresh your memory because that  season Moses did "well" in we did finish 3rd with a plus 36 goal differential as opposed to the amazing squad Pedro was in but but somehow ended up 10th with only a plus 6 GD.  

 

Yes, Pedro is one of the reasons for last season.  Clearly. lol

 

Why do we need a good Europa League player?  We arent in it and hopefully if back in Europe season after next, it will be the CL.  

 

If your argument is we should have Moses to play a few domestic cup games and then be easily replaced next season, why arent we just giving that option to youth?

 

Do I think Pedro is starting material?  Well certainly more so than Moses.  Moses might be more direct but Pedro is a far better all round footballer...and appears a more intelligence on the pitch too.

 

Don't forget, that as you mention, Pedro got no pre-season.  He not only stepped into a terrible team situation but also went from the complete opposite teams in football style/ideology. 

 

If you are disappointed Pedro didn't turn our whole season around then Im sorry to break it to you but we signed Messi's teammate and friend, not Messi himself.

Wow. First of all. Who here thinks that the 2012/13 squad was better than last year's squad?

I mean are people really in doubt over torres and costa? or a midfield 2 of ramires-lampard? I mean. Not worth it. Because regardless of where a team finished and regardless of what the GD is (really GD being a measure of how good a squad is???), the quality of the squad is seen differently.

I mean if Barcelona have a sh*t season this season, and finish out of top 4 (biggest ever fantasy but lets take a hypothetical situation), would it mean that their squad is sh*t?

He stepped in when we had played 2 games. Just 2. He was supposed to be the difference and the change. He was sh*t.

Pedro got a nice big pre-season with barca. He did not just wake up one day and start playing the other day. you dont need pre-season to do the basics correctly which are pass the ball, or hold on to it.

 

What has changed now? Style and ideology are very different. He is (hopefully) not going to get a look in the first team for a long time. Then why keep a bang average 30 year old player who would be eating massive wages? 

 

Turn the season around. LOL. a successful season would have been a 6th place finish. I would have taken "that" as a turn around. unfortunately, pedro looked average/bad in comparision to our players who were horrendous this season. Get the comparision? 

Are people seriously rating Moses or Cuadrado over Pedro?

That's beyond madness

Moses' role in the squad in 12/13 was as a squad player. He played 1121 minutes spread over 23 PL games in which he scored 1 goal. I know thats not a good return by any standard but the fact is that most of his appearances/minutes would have been as sub and its naive to compare it to pedro who got 2042 minutes of PL football and scored 7 goals which included 2 braces against newcastle and aston villa - sh*tteams against whom we would have won if we had played john swift. I don't know what made you compare their Pl stats solely, because that's like comparing apples and oranges and coming to the conclusion that apples are better because they are "redder".

I used only their league stats because it was the "fairest" way to compare their only seasons with Chelsea.

Moses got a lot of playing time against lesser opposition in the Europea League where he scored the majority of his goals that season.

Which is quite funny because you try to diminish Pedro's contribution based on the opposition he scored against. Do goals count as double if their scored against sides in the top half of the table or something?

I'm really not sure how comparing stats from a single season in the same league is comparing apples and oranges? Care to elaborate on why and I'll happily debate that with you but to my mind it's the closest thing you'll get to an a fair comparison to assess them with.

I used only their league stats because it was the "fairest" way to compare their only seasons with Chelsea.

Moses got a lot of playing time against lesser opposition in the Europea League where he scored the majority of his goals that season.

Which is quite funny because you try to diminish Pedro's contribution based on the opposition he scored against. Do goals count as double if their scored against sides in the top half of the table or something?

I'm really not sure how comparing stats from a single season in the same league is comparing apples and oranges? Care to elaborate on why and I'll happily debate that with you but to my mind it's the closest thing you'll get to an a fair comparison to assess them with.

I thought i already did, did not I?

The roles were different.

The minutes moses played is almost half of pedro.

Most of moses' appearances would have been as a sub.

I am pretty sure I covered why comparing their "league" stats was naive to say the least.

Also I am pretty sure Basel in 10 times the team that newcastle and villa were last season.

And no, the goals dont count twice, but I would rather have my first team player score a couple of goals or even put in a decent performance once a while against a top team rather than look like a fish out of water for a whole season.

I thought i already did, did not I?

The roles were different.

The minutes moses played is almost half of pedro.

Most of moses' appearances would have been as a sub.

I am pretty sure I covered why comparing their "league" stats was naive to say the least.

Also I am pretty sure Basel in 10 times the team that newcastle and villa were last season.

And no, the goals dont count twice, but I would rather have my first team player score a couple of goals or even put in a decent performance once a while against a top team rather than look like a fish out of water for a whole season.

So why was Moses only seen as substitute player for us?

We can combine his three loans since joining us too if you want? In roughly 60 league appearances he managed 5 goals.

I haven't got the full facts and stats in front of me but I'm fairly sure Moses have been eligible to play against the likes "only" Newcastle and West Brom. And yet, with more than double the amount appearances than Pedro made this season he hasn't bested him.

Don't see Messi with any winners medals for Argentina either...

 

Argentina had Messi on their team which defeated Nigeria in the Beijing Olympics to win the Gold - might have been different if Mikel was there to stop him (btw I am just kidding w/ that last statement for people that have turned off their Sarcasm tuners) - I did remember Nigeria did rob the Yanks in their final group match - The Yanks got a weak ass Red card in the 3rd minute of that match - the win enable The Golden Eagles (or should I saw Silver ones) to get out of the Group

Edited July 24, 20169 yr by robdog

So why was Moses only seen as substitute player for us?

We can combine his three loans since joining us too if you want? In roughly 60 league appearances he managed 5 goals.

I haven't got the full facts and stats in front of me but I'm fairly sure Moses have been eligible to play against the likes "only" Newcastle and West Brom. And yet, with more than double the amount appearances than Pedro made this season he hasn't bested him.

This is real life. It is not FIFA that you can loan out a player to any club, not provide him with any stability and still expect the best out of him.

Moses is regarded and was regarded as a sub plyaer because thats his level. I am accepting that and I have never said anything else. But so is Pedro. Pedro's "fans" are so blind to how utterly average he was the last season, that they cant accept this simple fact. 

Do you see pedro as a starter for us next season? In which position? Over hazard and willian? 

 

Like i said in the first post, Moses/pedro/Cuadrado should be here only as subs. Thats their level. Nothing more. And out of those 3, I honestly dont see much difference in class or what they can offer to the team. Moses' one league goal had the same impact as pedro's 7. And thats how I see my squad. I would be happier if moses can help us get wins in the first couple of cup rounds (FA cup and league cup), same as pedro.

Now between these 3 players, I dont care who stays because like i said before they are all average. But considering the fact that pedro is 29, high wages, value would take a massive dip and the fact that I dont think he will take being a bench player well since that is the reason he left barca, I think moses is a better option (also HG).

This is the first time Ive heard anyone claim we were "firing on all cylinders" under Rafa.

This is the first time Ive heard anyone claim we were "firing on all cylinders" under Rafa.

I chalk that up to the trauma of last season thank you very much lol

Pedro is a Barca product and he knows how to play Barca-way. Anyway it is not an excuse for last season. We saw glimpses of him playing at top level and he can be really good.

I think Pedro has earned everything he's earned and his experience is vital. He has seen it all. We have players who have seen literally nothing.

Are people seriously rating Moses or Cuadrado over Pedro?

That's beyond madness

Moses cost less yet scored more goals than Pedro who scored 7 goals in his first season with us. If you think Pedro was the better performer then you are failure in mathematics.

Edited July 25, 20169 yr by wallosh

Moses cost less yet scored more goals than Pedro who scored 7 goals in his first season with us. If you think Pedro was the better performer then you are failure in mathematics.

You constantly post rubbish on here.

You claimed the other day Conte didn't rate or want Costa despite the man a few days before coming out and telling us the very opposite.

Pedro is a better footballer than Moses, nothing you post will change that.

I actually quite rate Moses as a squad player and have nothing against him, but suggesting he is a better footballer than Pedro really is quite ridiculous.

 

Moses had a respectable full season with Chelsea, not knocking that, but since then he has been underwhelming to say the least scoring just 8 goals in 3 seasons. Pedro scored 8 just last season.

 

It's not a dabate that needs stats to put it to be though to be honest, anyone who has eyes and a brain and has watched  a bit of football over the last 8 odd years would rate Pedro above Moses; the gulf in class in terms of technical ability is vast.  

 

As for Cuadrado, it really is a laugahble comparison and I am insulted on Pedro's behalf that anyone has even brought it up in a serious manner in all honesty!