He's not really done anything of note since coming here, his record at home is abysmal and we are in large just as inconsistent as before.

I honestly don't think we would have been relegated had he not came in, we might have been 2 or 3 places below where we are not but that's about it I think.

I really hope this is the last interim we have to use in a long time.

I don't think so either. At the end of the day they would have gotten closer to the end of the season at the bottom and decided nah we're not having this on our resume regardless of who the coach was.

I really wish he hadn't come back, although he was only here for a brief period the first time. He left on great terms, a lot of us wanted him to stay and he really brought the confidence back to that team which enabled us to go on and win the double the following season. This time though it's just been awful, he's pretty much done what he did last time but this time the players aren't good enough. Feel bad for Guus in all honesty but we may aswell have just stuck with Jose.

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Hopefully he retires at the end of the season so there's no risk of him coming back again.

I don't think I could stomach a third stint.

I think he'll be done, I really think he wanted to win the FA Cup and retire on that. I don't think his aim was to ever get us back in the top four, just to steady the ship and bring in some silverware. Neithers happened unfortunately.

The most disappointing thing is that top 4 was totally do-able. We all, including Jose thought top 4 had gone but it really wasn't. Despite only winning two home games, we're in 9th. Or even if you disagree, we could have at least challenged for a CL spot.

Guus should have done better I think.

The most disappointing thing is that top 4 was totally do-able. We all, including Jose thought top 4 had gone but it really wasn't. Despite only winning two home games, we're in 9th. Or even if you disagree, we could have at least challenged for a CL spot.

Guus should have done better I think.

Agreed, looking at how things panned out we could have easily have broken into the top four

I wouldn't have minded so much if we thought, "ok, we're not going to finish top 4 but equally we are safe from the drop, so let's give some of the youngsters playing time".

 

But No. We have continued playing the same old personnel and any possible players for the future have had little or zero playing time. To carry on playing Matic and Mikel as well as some of the other deadwood is frankly scandalous. What a waste of a few months, but hey, that's what we do best.

Yeah that has also been really disappointing - the lack of youth. Where has RLC, Kennedy, Troare etc gone?

I wonder, looking at how this season has panned out, whether the club agree with their decision to sack Jose. It hasn't exactly produce anything of note. I wonder if they think they should have backed the manager and dug in.

Yeah that has also been really disappointing - the lack of youth. Where has RLC, Kennedy, Troare etc gone?

I wonder, looking at how this season has panned out, whether the club agree with their decision to sack Jose. It hasn't exactly produce anything of note. I wonder if they think they should have backed the manager and dug in.

 

I think that's easy said in hindsight, we were in genuine relegation form under Jose, we may have scraped through but even with the bluest jose tinted glasses it was hard to see him turning the situation around..

As for the youth part i agree 100%

Let's just say I understand now why Holland aren't going to be at the Euros.

I think that's easy said in hindsight, we were in genuine relegation form under Jose, we may have scraped through but even with the bluest jose tinted glasses it was hard to see him turning the situation around..

As for the youth part i agree 100%

 

Have to agree with that.

 

We're in the position now where we can all bit a bit blasé and forget just how bad things had got under José. Who knows where we would be now if the club had not acted?   As sad as it was, I still think the right decision was made to sack Mourinho but it's a shame that being December, no decent long-term candidates were going to be available so we went back to Guus. I like Hiddink and he still comes across so well in interviews and I guess we should be thankful that he got us back up the table to safety, but our season ended back in early March and when he had the ideal time to try a few new things, frankly he blew it.

I think that's easy said in hindsight, we were in genuine relegation form under Jose, we may have scraped through but even with the bluest jose tinted glasses it was hard to see him turning the situation around..

As for the youth part i agree 100%

for me its not so much that Hiddink has taken us out of the relegation fight and Jose wouldn't have, its more any manager coming in would almost certainly have had that effect. Yet under Hiddink we have done the bare minimum expected, he has done nothing of any worth while here this season. Our squad hasn't progressed any, our youth hasn't progressed any, the atmosphere around the club hasn't progressed any, and in my opinion our displays in matches had barely progressed either. The big difference is close defeats have become close draws, and that can be put down to certain players who blatantly weren't even trying under Mourinho now deciding to try a bit harder. Were still sh*t, but with a few players trying it raised our level from really really sh*t to really sh*t.

Like said before the problem with Hiddink is he has just done the basics and seemed obsessed with his undefeated record at first. It seems like he uses match day as nap time and wakes up at the 80min to make a sub of any significance to change a match. He will never not start Mikel or sub him even if we are losing.

Hiddink will generally sub of the youngsters if they have have been the better players, he has taken of Kennedy at half time and Miazga at half time, why didn't he do the same with Cahill at Sunderland after his header out lead to a goal?

Hiddinks gone with the same rubbish of Ivan at RB, stuck with Mikel and Matic when everyone says it doesn't work and results prove it. Are you Wenger in disguise?

Hiddink has said he will play the youngsters, we got a few games of RLC then we don't see him again. Where's Kennedy and Traore who could of really developed on with the last 10 games of the season, it was a great opportunity to play them.

As you can tell I can't wait for him to go lol

Great post DKW, the bare minimum is what we've achieved under Hiddink unfortunately. I still am angry the way we exited the FA Cup with that dismal performance against Everton (that cup is there for the taking this season) and we could have made a push for the European spots but we just haven't.

The big difference is close defeats have become close draws

 

I largely agree with your post, but I don't think that this is nothing. And if Guus managed to get some of our key performers into decent form after them being a total liability to the side, doesn't he deserve credit for that at least?

 

In addition, I know that the introduction of youth wasn't quite what we had hoped it would be, but still Rahman, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy and Traoré managed 33 starts and nearly 3500 minutes (i.e. over a entire league season) between them. It's not nothing.

 

I agree that he hasn't moved mountains, but I don't think his contribution has been nil.

Best performance of the season was the 3-1 against Sunderland when Steve Holland was in charge.

For me it was probably the 3-0 tonking of Palace, although the Arsenal games were obviously very enjoyable.

I largely agree with your post, but I don't think that this is nothing. And if Guus managed to get some of our key performers into decent form after them being a total liability to the side, doesn't he deserve credit for that at least?

 

In addition, I know that the introduction of youth wasn't quite what we had hoped it would be, but still Rahman, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy and Traoré managed 33 starts and nearly 3500 minutes (i.e. over a entire league season) between them. It's not nothing.

 

I agree that he hasn't moved mountains, but I don't think his contribution has been nil.

I would regard the performances of key players improving like Costa just because Mourinho left more than the influence of Hiddink. Holland could of carried of as manager and some of the players performances would of improved. Others just decided to stay the same like Ivan and Matic.

I would regard the performances of key players improving like Costa just because Mourinho left more than the influence of Hiddink. Holland could of carried of as manager and some of the players performances would of improved. Others just decided to stay the same like Ivan and Matic.

 

While I think your point that Guus benefited simply from being 'not José' has some validity, I don't think a player simply "decides" to start playing better. That would imply that under José they were willingly sabotaging their own careers, which I don't think any professional footballer with any credibility would do.

 

I think Guus deserves credit for stirring up at least some sort of response, perhaps not a fiery one, but certainly one on which he was able to build a solid base (i.e. an unbeaten run and a rise up the table) and incite quite a marked improvement in quite a large number of the squad.

Like said before the problem with Hiddink is he has just done the basics and seemed obsessed with his undefeated record at first. It seems like he uses match day as nap time and wakes up at the 80min to make a sub of any significance to change a match. He will never not start Mikel or sub him even if we are losing.

Hiddink will generally sub of the youngsters if they have have been the better players, he has taken of Kennedy at half time and Miazga at half time, why didn't he do the same with Cahill at Sunderland after his header out lead to a goal?

Hiddinks gone with the same rubbish of Ivan at RB, stuck with Mikel and Matic when everyone says it doesn't work and results prove it. Are you Wenger in disguise?

Hiddink has said he will play the youngsters, we got a few games of RLC then we don't see him again. Where's Kennedy and Traore who could of really developed on with the last 10 games of the season, it was a great opportunity to play them.

As you can tell I can't wait for him to go lol

The only reason that  Gus actually played the youngsters was because he was forced to. 

Willian, matic, Hazard, JT, zouma, Pedro, Costa were all injured/suspended at one point of time.  

If it would not have been so then I dont think those guys would have got a single start. Shameful

While I think your point that Guus benefited simply from being 'not José' has some validity, I don't think a player simply "decides" to start playing better. That would imply that under José they were willingly sabotaging their own careers, which I don't think any professional footballer with any credibility would do.

 

I think Guus deserves credit for stirring up at least some sort of response, perhaps not a fiery one, but certainly one on which he was able to build a solid base (i.e. an unbeaten run and a rise up the table) and incite quite a marked improvement in quite a large number of the squad.

I look at Costa as the main culprit and I do think he decided to play better simply by running more, losing weight and actually getting in the box. Under Mourinho he would literally just stand on the left wing or throw his bib at the manager when he don't get his own way.

I think it was more the effect of Mourinho leaving than Guus arriving that brought out better performances.

The only reason that  Gus actually played the youngsters was because he was forced to. 

Willian, matic, Hazard, JT, zouma, Pedro, Costa were all injured/suspended at one point of time.  

If it would not have been so then I dont think those guys would have got a single start. Shameful

To take players off at half time like Kennedy and Miazga is awful management, must do a players confidence the world of good. Specially when Hiddink puts his number 1 player at CB to replace you a player must realise his Chelsea career might not last long.

Kennedy has played well this year and Traore and with Hazard injured and Pedro, Oscar etc not playing that well they both could of been given more playing time, what a great opportunity missed.

To take players off at half time like Kennedy and Miazga is awful management, must do a players confidence the world of good. Specially when Hiddink puts his number 1 player at CB to replace you a player must realise his Chelsea career might not last long.

Kennedy has played well this year and Traore and with Hazard injured and Pedro, Oscar etc not playing that well they both could of been given more playing time, what a great opportunity missed.

 

Hiddink did the same with Baba against Southampton. Ridiculous man management of a youth player. How are they ever going to gain confidence if they are publicly shamed by the manager like that.

Hiddink did the same with Baba against Southampton. Ridiculous man management of a youth player. How are they ever going to gain confidence if they are publicly shamed by the manager like that.

Yep your right. From a long time ago Baba should of been number 1 left back and Dave right back. Iva should of been no where near the team unless needed at CB. It defiantly must be an age thing because Hiddink seems to just ignore everything that is blindingly obvious to everyone else.

While I think your point that Guus benefited simply from being 'not José' has some validity, I don't think a player simply "decides" to start playing better. That would imply that under José they were willingly sabotaging their own careers, which I don't think any professional footballer with any credibility would do.

 

I think Guus deserves credit for stirring up at least some sort of response, perhaps not a fiery one, but certainly one on which he was able to build a solid base (i.e. an unbeaten run and a rise up the table) and incite quite a marked improvement in quite a large number of the squad.

I disagree.

 

If you change "start playing better" to "put in more effort", I think you'd agree.....and I think its a fair conclusion to make that a player will start playing better once they start putting in more effort.

 

Not saying they intentionally sabotaged themselves but look at Costa. Mourinho was mentioning how he wanted Costa to get in the box more even in press conferences but Costa didn't.  Hiddink comes in, Costa starts doing it and boom he is playing better.  I don't think he went goalless so often under Mourinho on purpose (or was so pants in general) but he did decide to put in more effort to carry out the same instructions with a different manager and we can all see how much better he has been as a result of his increased efforts.