Peps also had the help of a certain dubious doctor to help his team ahem..Cough.....If you know what I mean...

3 hours ago, Argo said:

What Pulis would have created a philosophy that swept the rest of the world aside? would Pulis have had even Real Madrid chasing shadows like they David playing Goliath? Would Pulis have picked up 14 trophies in four years? In the first season they were brilliant but could be combated with a good tactical approach (like Hiddink took against them), in the 2nd and 3rd season Pep truly stamped his mark on the side they were untouchable, the best footballing side i have ever seen and that does not happen by throwing eleven players on the pitch and hoping the superiority wins out, that happens by the work of a manager . The literal only way to get results against them was to hope they had an off day in front of goal and be clinical when you got chances (Inter first leg and even they benefitted a bit from the fact Barca had to travel to Italy by bus) or park a Qantas airways and pray (Inter second leg). 

Yes Pep has been a bit of damp squib in England so far, but he could get relegated with City and that doesn't take away what he built in Barcelona, it was unprecedented and unlikely to be repeated in our lifetimes.

It's a philosophy that only worked with the very best players in the world, one that was figured out, one that we beat with Di Matteo as our manager, the manager Villa just sacked after being beat by Preston North End, a team that never beat us, not once...but yes the point was any decent manager would win with that gifted team, never denied pep was a good manager but this tika taka and his praise was flattered by his teams, he needs a new trick, btw are you one of those guys who support a team in each league? You seem very passionate about those w**kers who cheated us out of the CL, one we probably would have won....incase you forgot

 

4 hours ago, dkw said:

Anyone see that Ballgue ballbag on sky sports, basically blamed everything and everyone at City other than Guardiola, it was embarrassing. He hasnt got the right players, they arent doing what they are told, city havent given him the right things needed to succeed etc...

Yeah I did it was cringe.  

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Peps also had the help of a certain dubious doctor to help his team ahem..Cough.....If you know what I mean...

Pep got caught twice doping himself so would it surprise anyone...

23 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

It's a philosophy that only worked with the very best players in the world, one that was figured out, one that we beat with Di Matteo as our manager, the manager Villa just sacked after being beat by Preston North End, a team that never beat us, not once...but yes the point was any decent manager would win with that gifted team, never denied pep was a good manager but this tika taka and his praise was flattered by his teams, he needs a new trick, btw are you one of those guys who support a team in each league? You seem very passionate about those w**kers who cheated us out of the CL, one we probably would have won....incase you forgot

 

Ofcourse it needed the players to work, but if it was so easy Rijkaard would have implemented it, watching Barca now they have an unreal strikeforce but nothing close to the sheer dominantion on games they had under Pep.

Really was there any f**king need for that dig? I have absolutely no love for Barca and even less for Pep but no one can deny how good they were, and incase you forgotten JT went straight to the away dressing room that night and shook every Barca player by the hand, by that logic he polishing up his Juve and Barca shirts as we speak.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Ofcourse it needed the players to work, but if it was so easy Rijkaard would have implemented it, watching Barca now they have an unreal strikeforce but nothing close to the sheer dominantion on games they had under Pep.

Really was there any f**king need for that dig? I have absolutely no love for Barca and even less for Pep but no one can deny how good they were, and incase you forgotten JT went straight to the away dressing room that night and shook every Barca player by the hand, by that logic he polishing up his Juve and Barca shirts as we speak.

If they were so good why couldn't they beat us? And admiration is one thing you're dick riding them a little too hard for a chelsea fan I'll leave it at that 

3 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

If they were so good why couldn't they beat us? And admiration is one thing you're dick riding them a little too hard for a chelsea fan I'll leave it at that 

No i just don't like ignorance and saying Pulis could have done a similar job falls in that category, its like saying Darren Bent could have done what Pele did for Brazil with such a wonderful support cast.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

No i just don't like ignorance and saying Pulis could have done a similar job falls in that category, its like saying Darren Bent could have done what Pele did for Brazil with such a wonderful support cast.

How did Di Matteo win the CL with Chelsea?  Although Pulis was tongue and cheek something anyone in the world accept you would likely have got that message, however I will turn that loose exaggeration into a real statement, any decent manager would have won the league and CL with that team, he didn't do something leaps and bound ahead of what any good manager would have done lie you are suggesting, Zidane won the CL in his first season, you think he would win it with city? 

He inherited a fantastic squad especially with Messi breaking through, but on the other hand he did change the way they played with an impressive result.

2 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

How did Di Matteo win the CL with Chelsea?  Although Pulis was tongue and cheek something anyone in the world accept you would likely have got that message, however I will turn that loose exaggeration into a real statement, any decent manager would have won the league and CL with that team, he didn't do something leaps and bound ahead of what any good manager would have done lie you are suggesting, Zidane won the CL in his first season, you think he would win it with city? 

Because of a mix of things, his man management after the AVB derbarcle to get the team rallying together, the sheer determination of the old guard to relieve previous unjust and heartbreak plus a helping hand up above. Munich was an incredible underdogs story but we were underdogs for a reason.

Ofcourse a lot of managers would have a high chance of success at Barca, what im trying to say is they wouldn't have built what Pep did, take Martinos season for example.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Because of a mix of things, his man management after the AVB derbarcle to get the team rallying together, the sheer determination of the old guard to relieve previous unjust and heartbreak plus a helping hand up above. Munich was an incredible underdogs story but we were underdogs for a reason.

Ofcourse a lot of managers would have a high chance of success at Barca, what im trying to say is they wouldn't have built what Pep did, take Martinos season for example.

Or take Luis Enrique who won the CL with Barca in his first season, if you can manage the ego's of the divas you can manage Barca or Real,  simple, hence jose did not so well at Real, but ex-club players do well at those teams, it's just as much diva management as pitch management that makes you successful there, the talent will always be there. I don't get your concern pep doesnt need your ego massage the media does it plenty, this is a chelsea forum, he is good but not as good as made out, can we get over this fairly soon? 

26 minutes ago, undertow said:

He inherited a fantastic squad especially with Messi breaking through, but on the other hand he did change the way they played with an impressive result.

He also made them boring. LOL

1 hour ago, Tibbers said:

He also made them boring. LOL

 

not that I disagree :) but that's subjective, we might find it boring, others don't

Guardiola is overrated big time. He was destroyed in the CL with a team like Bayern Munich, and they have 1 of the best players when he was their coach. Bayern have it all, fighters, good defenders, good backs, good midfielders, good winger, best striker in the world, no competition in the league, plenty of depth in the bench, he have it all and 3 years he failed to impress.

He won the league, but there wasn`t even a competition in Germany ...
He is good manager but highly overrated.

He did great job in Barcelona, but when the real challenge come in Mourinho face, what he did, he run to Germany .... Before that he lose the title and we f***** him hard in the CL, once again !!!
And the team use to his tiki-taka playing. Football is evolving, if you not do the same and learn from your mistake and improve you as manager you will stay in the past. His philosophy is not changed and everyone know it. Not to mention in Spain teams play attacking football and they are very open, that is 1 of the reason Barca and Real score so much. Also the competition in the lower team in Spain just sucks. Sorry but when they face Barca and Real, they know they are -3 points and just focus on their next match, not like in England. In England every team can take you points. Also there isn`t good tactical team in Spain.

And now in England he got 1 of the best team yet again, and lets face it Pelegrini philosophy was similar to Guardiola and he have the perfect players and what he is done so far - nothing. Get beaten badly. Yeah it`s very early, but so far so bad for him.

So far from hs very first year in Barcelona he show he has not learn from his mistake and he is doing them again and again, and again. Just like John Stones fu** them week after week after week.

And i always like good tactical teams, who play good in defence and play smart football. I never like stupid manager and teams like Arsenal and Brendon Rodgers. They not learn you have to have great defence to win the PL.
Forwards won the matches, but defenders won the trophies !!!

Don`t praise me a team that is bad in tactical aspects of the game and they play the game score more then your opponent ... This is not working in England. Not to mention how easy player get down in Spain for no challenge/touches and how easy referee give fouls, penalty, cards and so on for Barcelona and how hard against them. They recieve 10-20 penalty each season and most matches they play are against 10 or 9 player of next team ... Almost every game the other team get red cards Its a disgrace ....

Conte > Guardiola big time !!!

P.P. I forget to say if the referee was not helping Barcelona we would not talking about Guardiola now.

They recieve s**** help in both of Guardiola/Barcelona CL title. Against us it was a disgrace and against Arsenal/Real Madrid the next CL they won ... Don`t forget the scandalous red cadr for Van Persi in 1 second ...

 

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Pep was a great manager in Spain, but that's old news, today's fish n chips paper !  

 The English Premier League is a lot more tougher......it looks like he's crying when citeh loose, he needs to Man-up ..........he is a bit weak minded, by openly saying he has thrown the towel in regarding the league title............if Citeh don't qualify for next seasons champions league, then he should be sacked....

6 hours ago, undertow said:

 

not that I disagree :) but that's subjective, we might find it boring, others don't

I mean it was attractive at times but killing a game of football by retaining possession and doing nothing with it 90 percent of teh time is pretty boring it's just a cute version of anti-football 

I wouldn't write off Pep just yet. However I love the fact teams are exploiting their weaknesses and doing it in a very simple manner. Everton bullied them in midfield and with 2, 3 passes were through to goal.

Pep has similar principles than Arsene.

5 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

I mean it was attractive at times but killing a game of football by retaining possession and doing nothing with it 90 percent of teh time is pretty boring it's just a cute version of anti-football 

They were like a python suffocating its prey, all over the opposition and not giving them any space or time on the ball. It's not easily executed and very demanding on the players, so credit to them. I respect the dedication and hard work they put into it and admire the effectiveness. Debating aesthetics is pointless and totally irrelevant for football. "Yeah they won everything but not in style"... come on now.

I find it funny that he plays a keeper who is crap and a defence that cant defend lol.Good for him.

So glad we got Conte.

1 hour ago, Hemel Blue said:

I find it funny that he plays a keeper who is crap

That's unfair, he has done very well, up to joining city. 

Sorry but he has looked very poor for City in the premier league.Better than Hart ? No.

10 minutes ago, Hemel Blue said:

Sorry but he has looked very poor for City in the premier league.Better than Hart ? No.

Hart is overrated like all English players. 

Still better than Bravo though,sorry.

On 1/16/2017 at 12:43, DonAntonio said:

It's a philosophy that only worked with the very best players in the world, one that was figured out, one that we beat with Di Matteo as our manager, the manager Villa just sacked after being beat by Preston North End, a team that never beat us, not once...but yes the point was any decent manager would win with that gifted team, never denied pep was a good manager but this tika taka and his praise was flattered by his teams, he needs a new trick, btw are you one of those guys who support a team in each league? You seem very passionate about those w**kers who cheated us out of the CL, one we probably would have won....incase you forgot

 

Didn't have to post this video mate. I watched it and all of a sudden I feel all the rage of 8 years ago all over again. I almost want to punch that bald c**t through my screen.

Then again, I shouldn't have hit the play button.