No manager has lasted more than 2 & a bit seasons under RA and that lucky chap was Jose M whose now gone over to the dark side, all this speculation sounds familiar, doubt AC will be at CFC in 12-18 months time, business as usual then.

 

01/07/2016 - 30/06/2021	Antonio Conte		31/07/1969
20/12/2015 - 30/06/2016	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
18/12/2015 - 19/12/2015	Steve Holland		30/04/1970
01/07/2013 - 17/12/2015	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
21/11/2012 - 30/06/2013	Rafa Benítez		16/04/1960
05/03/2012 - 21/11/2012	Roberto Di Matteo		29/05/1970
01/07/2011 - 04/03/2012	André Villas-Boas		17/10/1977
01/07/2009 - 30/06/2011	Carlo Ancelotti		10/06/1959
11/02/2009 - 30/06/2009	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
01/07/2008 - 09/02/2009	Luiz Felipe Scolari		09/11/1948
20/09/2007 - 24/05/2008	Avram Grant		06/05/1955
01/07/2004 - 19/09/2007	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
18/09/2000 - 30/06/2004	Claudio Ranieri		20/10/1951

Earlier in the thread I said the same, I know the situation.  The whole text message fiasco is a non-story.
The story is January.  What happened?  Did Conte let Costa know he wasn't in the plans of the team and it's his intention to sell him to China?  Because as far as I know a team isn't allowed to reach out directly to a player that is still under contract with another team.  So someone had to let Diego know there was interest from China and the intent was to sell. 
Or did Costa come to Conte and say hey I want to leave to Atletico.  And Conte let him know of interest from China or that he would be sold otherwise. 
Or did Chinese team reach out directly to Costa's party and turn his head?
It's clear any way you look at it that Conte didn't want Costa as part of his team.  He has never come out to refute that like he has with Matic.  He openly says he wanted Matic to Stay but I don't see him doing that with Costa.  So Conte is willing to let go of a player he didn't want which is Costa...a 20 in the league goal scorer...that's my point

Did you no see where Conte stated Costa came to him last summer and stated he wanted to leave, he has requested to leave every summer he has been here barring the summer he was signed. Conte had zero impact him wanting to leave

No manager has lasted more than 2 & a bit seasons under RA and that lucky chap was Jose M whose now gone over to the dark side, all this speculation sounds familiar, doubt AC will be at CFC in 12-18 months time, business as usual then.
 

01/07/2016 - 30/06/2021	Antonio Conte		31/07/1969
20/12/2015 - 30/06/2016	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
18/12/2015 - 19/12/2015	Steve Holland		30/04/1970
01/07/2013 - 17/12/2015	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
21/11/2012 - 30/06/2013	Rafa Benítez		16/04/1960
05/03/2012 - 21/11/2012	Roberto Di Matteo		29/05/1970
01/07/2011 - 04/03/2012	André Villas-Boas		17/10/1977
01/07/2009 - 30/06/2011	Carlo Ancelotti		10/06/1959
11/02/2009 - 30/06/2009	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
01/07/2008 - 09/02/2009	Luiz Felipe Scolari		09/11/1948
20/09/2007 - 24/05/2008	Avram Grant		06/05/1955
01/07/2004 - 19/09/2007	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
18/09/2000 - 30/06/2004	Claudio Ranieri		20/10/1951

Yep time to scout for who we will like next I have already accepted he's gone so when it's officially announced I will be fine

Personally do not see him being in charge next season. Just enjoy his antics while they are ours. Is the Chelsea model and has been highly successful. 

35 minutes ago, Brutos said:

2 hours ago, TheChelsRVA said:

Earlier in the thread I said the same, I know the situation.  The whole text message fiasco is a non-story.
The story is January.  What happened?  Did Conte let Costa know he wasn't in the plans of the team and it's his intention to sell him to China?  Because as far as I know a team isn't allowed to reach out directly to a player that is still under contract with another team.  So someone had to let Diego know there was interest from China and the intent was to sell. 
Or did Costa come to Conte and say hey I want to leave to Atletico.  And Conte let him know of interest from China or that he would be sold otherwise. 
Or did Chinese team reach out directly to Costa's party and turn his head?
It's clear any way you look at it that Conte didn't want Costa as part of his team.  He has never come out to refute that like he has with Matic.  He openly says he wanted Matic to Stay but I don't see him doing that with Costa.  So Conte is willing to let go of a player he didn't want which is Costa...a 20 in the league goal scorer...that's my point

Did you no see where Conte stated Costa came to him last summer and stated he wanted to leave, he has requested to leave every summer he has been here barring the summer he was signed. Conte had zero impact him wanting to leave

Did you no see where Diego said conte assured him to stay and play the league season? Costa wanted to leave, conte convinced him to stay. What we do know is conte didn't value him as part of the squad moving forward after the season and costa is happy to leave. So again, willing to part with a 20 goal scorer in league  

Edited August 9, 20178 yr by TheChelsRVA

12 hours ago, General said:

No manager has lasted more than 2 & a bit seasons under RA and that lucky chap was Jose M whose now gone over to the dark side, all this speculation sounds familiar, doubt AC will be at CFC in 12-18 months time, business as usual then.

 

01/07/2016 - 30/06/2021	Antonio Conte		31/07/1969
20/12/2015 - 30/06/2016	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
18/12/2015 - 19/12/2015	Steve Holland		30/04/1970
01/07/2013 - 17/12/2015	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
21/11/2012 - 30/06/2013	Rafa Benítez		16/04/1960
05/03/2012 - 21/11/2012	Roberto Di Matteo		29/05/1970
01/07/2011 - 04/03/2012	André Villas-Boas		17/10/1977
01/07/2009 - 30/06/2011	Carlo Ancelotti		10/06/1959
11/02/2009 - 30/06/2009	Guus Hiddink		08/11/1946
01/07/2008 - 09/02/2009	Luiz Felipe Scolari		09/11/1948
20/09/2007 - 24/05/2008	Avram Grant		06/05/1955
01/07/2004 - 19/09/2007	José Mourinho		26/01/1963
18/09/2000 - 30/06/2004	Claudio Ranieri		20/10/1951

Thats a depressing read! Our trophy haul hasnt been bad though. I think its key to not get too attached to any manager now :(

If/When he leaves, we should try and steal Pochetino from Spurs.

I actually think we could have had a another couple of league titles had managers been backed correctly, Losing Ballack and Ricky in 2010 and only bringing in Ramires until half way through the season. We didn't double down two seasons ago at all and this year doesn't seem very cohesive. Personally don't think Conte makes the end of the season, sadly. 

15 hours ago, TheChelsRVA said:

Conte has a job to do. He gets paid money too.  If his expectation is to just buy up all the players possible to make his job easy, this is the wrong idea.

 

We've given him presumably 3 players so far he has wanted.  First or second choice.  He will get more players, I do not doubt it.  We will have spent ~200m by the end of the year, after winning the league.  We are getting rid of a 20 goal per season scorer, which Conte has played a part in.  I understand where Conte is coming from but we aren't in Man City mode, we are an established club that is trying to run a profitable business.  We can spend 200m a transfer window but we will conduct that business pragmatically.  Let's just all save the meltdown until September when the window closes.  

Great post.  Let's just save the meltdown in general.  

Window has been excellent, yes we have offloaded a lot of players, but 6 months ago everyone was saying "can we do something with these younger players".  We sold to a rival?  Yes we sold our weakest link for the last 2 years to a rival. Christ in Crimea.

If Conte stays three years then I think that's just about the lifecycle of a manager.  I would consider that a huge tick.  We are a success driven club, anyone would think we haven't been in the mix for the least 12 years.  

Did you no see where Diego said conte assured him to stay and play the league season? Costa wanted to leave, conte convinced him to stay. What we do know is conte didn't value him as part of the squad moving forward after the season and costa is happy to leave. So again, willing to part with a 20 goal scorer in league  

Yes because he doesn't want to be here every summer he's been here he's angling for a move aways it's a huge hint that I don't want to be here

16 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

If i give builder 2/3rds of the tools and supplies they need to build my dream house, I shouldn't exactly be shocked and angry when I don't get my dream house 9 months later, right?  

No, but i would be shocked and angry if another builder came and knocked the house down while my builder stood there with his hands in his pockets.

16 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

Your post stated he was tactically poor and naïve.  So I assumed you meant that about him as a manager, that he Mister Magoo'ed his way to one of the best BPL winning performances even seen.  I didn't realize you meant he was a fantastic manager one season and then the very next just became tactically poor and naïve.

He was that season, and he is prone to it more than most other of the high profile managers, not to say he is naive on the level of Wenger but he made some very silly error's in 10/11 and he lets his teams get complacent at awfully inappropriate times.

If he gets praise for the double season, surely it's not unfair to criticise him when he makes Mick McCarthy look like a master tactician twice, no?

16 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

Then again, are we really comparing the blame of finishing second to bringing the team near relegation zones?  Cause really, after the "Mourinho season" perhaps we should be looking back at Carlo's second season as pretty f**king fantastic (or, atleast, reasonable) compared to what it could have been......

So, if we have a striker worse than Torres in the future, Fernando all off a sudden wasn't that bad? Two wrongs don't make a right.

16 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

PS. Well you cited MCFC who did address their biggest weakness and thus clearly strengthened........ Clearly MUFC have strengthened more and obviously, yet again, we decided to help a direct rival do so against the wishes of the manager while at the same time actually weakening our squad and thus ability to compete.

Tottenham might or might not, but they ran us ragged with a young squad and if not for that 13 game winning streak it might very well have been their season.  They didn't have the glaring issues this squad has and nor, would it seem, the ambition or expectations either.  Facts are facts, Pochetinno can finish behind Conte and have a good season, Conte finishes behind Pochetino and our biggest surprise will be that he got to last the season.

Don't really care about Arsenal and Liverpool, but I bet if they had to assess their squad right now they'd feel it stronger than when the window opened.  I'm not sure every Chelsea fan would feel the same way.

I'm sorry but that is just awful logic, "if it weren't for the 13 wins in a row". If Tottenham didn't win 12 in 13 we would have likely won it with as many games to spare as Celtic. And why don't you care about Arsenal and Liverpool's window? Is it because they have had one's just as bad (actually much worse in Liverpool's case) as ours so it doesn't fit the narrative? United have strengthened? Ibra out and Lukaku in is probably the opposite of strengthening.

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by Argo

I get the feeling of a huge Greek Tragedy with Costa and Conte, Costa wants to go to China, Conte persuades him to stay to end of season.

Next - China tightens up on big players imports - China option gone.

Next - transfer ban imposed on Athletico Madrid, Costa's next preferred option.

Next - Costa kisses the clubs badge and Conte then texted him, he isn't now in his plans.

Costa now in a WC season no club.

Sometime in the near future Costa is going to be playing for a side that meets one of Conte's sides and probably in the CL, expect retribution.

 

 

Some people are losing the plot here, probably s a result of the usual media crisis hype. Just look at Phil McNultys column on bbc. There you can see the ins and outs so far. City have bought six and we have bought four new players. Also look at the out list, city's is possibly longer than ours. Our out list, apart from Matic, who doesn't receive a lot of praise on this forum, does not impact first team players. I'm not including Diego as he wanted to go anyway and Morata is a like for like replacement, or hopefully will be. Maybe he'll even be better!

Conte and Cahill have publically said they are hoping we sort this out.

Chopping and changes managers is the key to success in the current climate. Look at Liverpool, look at Arsenal, when was the last time they won a title/major trophies?

It's a tactic that works for us, our trophy haul has been disgustingly brilliant in the last 12 years. Will Conte be our manager next season? Of course not. Don't get too attached, folks. 

2 minutes ago, Blueblur said:

Chopping and changes managers is the key to success in the current climate. Look at Liverpool, look at Arsenal, when was the last time they won a title/major trophies?

It's a tactic that works for us, our trophy haul has been disgustingly brilliant in the last 12 years. Will Conte be our manager next season? Of course not. Don't get too attached, folks. 

Managerial stability is good, just with the right man. I hope it's Conte but if not we go again, no real biggie in the grand scheme of things. 

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

Managerial stability is good, just with the right man. I hope it's Conte but if not we go again, no real biggie in the grand scheme of things. 

So none of Jose (x2), Carlo, Conte, Hiddink, FSW, AVB, RDM, Grant, Scolari was the right man?

At some point of time we have to start thinking that maybe the problem is with the board, not with the manager.

And in conte's case, it 100% seems that the problem is with the board.

13 minutes ago, didierforever said:

So none of Jose (x2), Carlo, Conte, Hiddink, FSW, AVB, RDM, Grant, Scolari was the right man?

At some point of time we have to start thinking that maybe the problem is with the board, not with the manager.

And in conte's case, it 100% seems that the problem is with the board.

Some were (the right man) in the short term, but for reason's or other it didn't work in the long run.

Jose mark one was always a short term thing, he said himself he wanted a European tour before looking to settle down. Carlo, well i have already been through to death in the last two pages why it went wrong with him. Jose the second time round totally lost the plot, no way on this earth can anyone other than him be blamed for that. Hiddink the first time refused to leave his post at Russia and the second time despite doing better than made out should not have been made permanent. Ironically Rafa might have been the one to do a 5-6 year stay here but the fans would never have had that. Grant, Scolari and AVB? the f**k up with them was appointing them in the first place, sacking them prevented some serious damage being done. RDM did Fantastic interim work but was out of his depth full time, we looked like a more expensive version of his WBA team.

I don't get why we are supposedly the devils for not having a manager long term, it very rarely happens in modern football for a variety of different reason's and holding onto manager's when it clearly isn't working due to some romantic long term sense of duty is quite damaging (United would be a far, far better position currently if they let Moyes and LVG go in November 2013 and December 2015 respectively).

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by Argo

9 minutes ago, didierforever said:

So none of Jose (x2), Carlo, Conte, Hiddink, FSW, AVB, RDM, Grant, Scolari was the right man?

At some point of time we have to start thinking that maybe the problem is with the board, not with the manager.

And in conte's case, it 100% seems that the problem is with the board.

While we keep winning every two years I don't think there is a problem with anything.

26 minutes ago, Van Butsen said:

While we keep winning every two years I don't think there is a problem with anything.

 

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

Some were (the right man) in the short term, but for reason's or other it didn't work in the long run.

Jose mark one was always a short term thing, he said himself he wanted a European tour before looking to settle down. Carlo, well i have already been through to death in the last two pages why it went wrong with him. Jose the second time round totally lost the plot, no way on this earth can anyone other than him be blamed for that. Hiddink the first time refused to leave his post at Russia and the second time despite doing better than made out should not have been made permanent. Ironically Rafa might have been the one to do a 5-6 year stay here but the fans would never have had that. Who have i missed? Grant, Scolari and AVB? the f**k up with them was appointing them, not sacking them.

I don't get why we are supposedly the devils for not having a manager long term, it very rarely happens in modern football for a variety of different reason's and holding onto manager's when it clearly isn't working due to some romantic long term sense of duty is quite damaging (United would be a far, far better position currently if they let Moyes and LVG go in November 2013 and December 2015 respectively).

Winning and managerial stability are 2 different things. Infact, whose to say that with better managerial stability and more trust, we might win things every year rather than 2 years.

Anyways, my only point of issue is, that people give "reasons"/"excuses" for our managerial merry go round, yet absolve the only common denominator of all blame (the board).

For eg, our board: Jose wanted a CB and a CM (Stones and Pogba) after winning the league. Another year and a 10th position later, Conte wanted a CB and a CM (luiz and Kante, 2 of our most influential players last year). How someone can say Jose lost the plot is beyond me, because it seems his diagnosis for the squad was spot on (hell, we even bought a LB who was not Baba, another position that Jose wanted) while saying no one else is to be blamed.  

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by didierforever

But that winning at one moment will stop. It`s not good to change manager in every single year or two.

You don`t get stability there, and long term project, it`s a short term project.
Don`t put Arsenal or Liverpool in there, cause they are far, far away. They can`t spend big and they can`t get big players. Most of the top players won`t go in there.

We won so much, because of great managers like Mourinho, Carlo and Conte, and because in the past we spend big. Bigger then everyone else in England.

Before the main rival was United, and Liverpool thanks to Benitez.
But they didn`t spend big, and that was our advantage.

United without spending big, but with the right manager, succeed a lot.

In today competition, by changing every year a manager, and not spend big, you are in trouble.

I don`t see who is the guy who will come after Conte, and we will win something.

If we didn`t sacked manager so much, we could have won a lot more. Especially in Europe.

Not every single year, new manager, new players, new tactics, time for adapt and so on.

And if the manager doesn`t have safety and stability, to know he won`t be sacked in the first bad season, forget someone to put his head on the table, for young guys.

He has to know, he is permanent there, like Wenger and Fergusion, and after he knows he have stability and safety, then he can start integrate young guns to the first team. Otherwise NOT.

Who will come after Conte? Why would Pochetino want to came here? To be sacked in 1 year.

Before we was the team, that was spending the most in England, now we are not. But we still demand title every year. So no one top manager will come.

Except someone like Enrique and Tuchel, and with them forget to win anything. Maybe some cup, but nothing else.

Again to change manager year after year is wrong. We have success, thanks to the manager we get, and that we was the team that give a lot of money for players, except for the last few years.

Thats simply not long term project, but short and will shows.

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by brakeit

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

12 hours ago, TheChelsRVA said:

Did you no see where Diego said conte assured him to stay and play the league season? Costa wanted to leave, conte convinced him to stay. What we do know is conte didn't value him as part of the squad moving forward after the season and costa is happy to leave. So again, willing to part with a 20 goal scorer in league  

Yes because he doesn't want to be here every summer he's been here he's angling for a move aways it's a huge hint that I don't want to be here

Costa has been wanting to move since he's gotten here.  But he has been fine staying under Jose and then last year with conte.  Sure he wants to leave, and conte is willing to let him leave.  That's all I am saying, conte is OK with him leaving.  

Did you even watch how Costa was playing after China antics?

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by brakeit

5 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Did you even watch how Costa was playing till China interest in him ?

I don't understand your point?  Bruots and I have been talking about it for a few pages now.  We both seem to understand the timeline.  

Are you implying I did not watch last year? 

Stability allows a manager to develop a vision though. the reason we've seen no real efforts to get any academy players into the first team, is because every manager knows he only has a few years, so why bother?