1 minute ago, fiel said:

I think all but Bakayoko were. Conte consistently says Bakayoko isn't ready, and he'd have no reason to have been invested in the French league (and this was Bakayoko's only standout season, before we bought him); just like Conte admits he didn't know about Emerson from his own back yard, I highly doubt he'd been 50 minutes of Bakayoko. 

I have never heard Conte say Baka isn't ready, why would you keep picking a player who isn't ready?

5 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I have never heard Conte say Baka isn't ready, why would you keep picking a player who isn't ready?

His literal words a couple weeks ago were: 'I don't think Bakayoko is ready to play against Barcelona.'

He was fit enough to play 90 minutes of football, or his type of football anyway. It was clear that if Conte wanted to play him, he would've. But he knew Bakayoko vs. Barcelona would be a slaughter. Just like moments throughout Luiz's 'injury', when really, Conte had just fallen out with Luiz, Conte's absolutely a read-between-the-lines guy.

 

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by fiel

I have felt for a while we was always fighting Liverpool and Spurs for the final 2 champions league spots, I have never felt any right but with our squad we should at least be fighting for them. After the boxing day results Chelsea had 42 points, 1 behind Utd, Liverpool 38, Spurs 37. Not a bad gap with the games Chelsea had coming up. 

Since the 25th of December Chelsea have taken 14 points in 10 games, Spurs 24, Liverpool 25. That is a massive gap in performance, that has nothing to do with the squad or the lack of investment, the majority of that is on Conte and some on the players.

Conte has made many errors but he kept playing out of form players, he finally removed Cahill after he already did a lot of damage, the same with Baka, Pedro has been awful for months, the same for Moses, Zappa was getting a good amount of games and was in a bit of form, then out of nowhere you don't see the guy for ages. I just don't think Conte can manage a squad playing more than one game a week against different types of opposition. The other errors I have banged on for ages now and are pretty obvious.

Until signing Arsenal's 4th-choice striker, we had 0 players who're known to be consistent finishers. Yet, we hardly concede any goals. So, something's set up correctly; we're not failing to get to the other end, and we're not letting goals in for fun. Italy and Juventus's best manager of the past 10 years does seem to know something.

To blame Conte and not either the players (who aren't natural finishers, not a single one!) or the board, who went ahead for multiple seasons without any foresight, is a lack of foresight. We've had plenty of games - like vs. United, and small teams - where the difference has been lack of output; not being tactically out mastered, not at all. And Conte can't score for the players.

He's made pretty much the best of the hand he's been given, up until just a couple weeks ago. From the way people are talking about him you'd think he played Hazard as a defensive winger, had us around 10th, gave no minutes to youth players, gouged people in the eye and constantly moaned about refs. 

 

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by fiel

9 minutes ago, fiel said:

His literal words a couple weeks ago were: 'I don't think Bakayoko is ready to play against Barcelona.'

He was fit enough to play 90 minutes of football, or his type of football anyway. It was clear that if Conte wanted to play him, he would've. But he knew Bakayoko vs. Barcelona would be a slaughter. Just like moments throughout Luiz's 'injury', when really, Conte had just fallen out with Luiz, Conte's absolutely a read-between-the-lines guy.

 

"Conte consistently alludes to the fact that Bakayoko isn't ready for the top level" I have never heard Conte say this, why would he when he has picked him most of the season. The fact he has picked him tells me he is a Conte signing or he knows his sh*t and is just showing the board look what I have got, but then why would you sacrifice your own results picking that melon.

'I don't think Bakayoko is ready to play against Barcelona.' This is totally different, apparently Baka has a injury so he wouldn't be ready.

1 minute ago, fiel said:

Until signing Arsenal's 4th-choice striker, we had 0 players who're known to be consistent finishers. Yet, we hardly concede any goals. So, something's set up correctly. Italy and Juventus's best manager of the past 10 years does seem to know something.

To blame Conte and not either the players (who aren't natural finishers, not a single one!) or the board, who went ahead for multiple seasons without any foresight, is a lack of foresight. We've had plenty of games - like vs. United, and small teams - where the difference has been lack of output; not being tactically out mastered, not at all.

Conte has made pretty much the best of the hand he's been given, up until just a couple weeks ago.

 

Some would say Allegri is better, he can do better in the cups while winning the league  Conte sets up with 7 defensive players so you should be good at the back, still conceded 4 against Watford and 3 against Burnley and Bournemouth at home. Lack of output is down to the manager because he expects his team to make 1 or 2 chances and have a 100% strike rate. Liverpool score a lot of goals but they also miss a few because they make so many chances, Conte can be tactically weak during games, he lost the Utd match because he couldn't see the game was getting away from Chelsea specially in midfield and then reacts late by taking of his best player, City game was just a disaster all round for Conte, to wait till the 80th min to make a sub is embarrassing, to watch one of your best players touch the ball 5 times is embarrassing.

If we can't bare 3 weeks of a moody manager and 1 underwhelming season when it's clear as day that the squad is short-changed, then we don't deserve - any - top managers in the future. 

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by fiel

2 hours ago, fiel said:

If we can't bare 3 weeks of a moody manager and 1 underwhelming season when it's clear as day that the squad is short-changed, then we don't deserve - any - top managers in the future. 

Fiel, it is not just his moods he doesn't appear to be able to make decent substitutions to recover a game. Either the wrong ones or just too late.

Lack of support has being obvious from the board and Conte has being loud about it. People say why play Bakayoko, than he plays drinkwater, we say he is sh*t too. Than fabregas comes along, we say he has passed it. Why play alonso?Moses? Cahill? They are not for a top team right? So what is the manager supposed to do, could be Conte, allegri or guardiola!!??

The entire team is a mid table quality  except hazard, kante and azpi.. With the team quality we have getting top 4 will be an overachievement. 

15 minutes ago, Gentian said:

 

The entire team is a mid table quality  except hazard, kante and azpi.. With the team quality we have getting top 4 will be an overachievement. 

Is it bollocks. f**k me there's some sh*te being written on here lately. 

3 hours ago, fiel said:

If we can't bare 3 weeks of a moody manager and 1 underwhelming season when it's clear as day that the squad is short-changed, then we don't deserve - any - top managers in the future. 

If only it was 3 weeks, fans, the board and players have had to listen to the moaning all season.

31 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

If only it was 3 weeks, fans, the board and players have had to listen to the moaning all season.

 same thing happened under Mourinho, who was at fault then. at least he is having a go at the board even if he leaves at the end of the season

41 minutes ago, dkw said:

Is it bollocks. f**k me there's some sh*te being written on here lately. 

Got to admit fella, some of the posts have become diabolical, its why i only view and stay silent, unless warranted of course...

13 minutes ago, theone said:

 same thing happened under Mourinho, who was at fault then. at least he is having a go at the board even if he leaves at the end of the season

While making the players at the club feel really wanted, basically calling the players he has useless.

We won the league easily last season how can we be a mid table quality side.. smh.

24 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Got to admit fella, some of the posts have become diabolical, its why i only view and stay silent, unless warranted of course...

Some unbelievable over the top bullsh*t being written, it's actually embarrassing to read. 

11 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

While making the players at the club feel really wanted, basically calling the players he has useless.

he didn't call them useless, we started the game with two really slow midfielders he was not going to attack when the midfielders are this slow, Fabregas couldn't even pass the ball, which made us look even worse. he was basically playing Pedro and Willian in the midfield to cover the midfielders 

i agree he is acting  crazy but we have the same thing year over year.all i am saying their something more than the manager that is wrong

as for the club if the board has decided to keep the same policy, he should be sacked cause he is not going to suddenly change his attitude

 

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Lack of support has being obvious from the board and Conte has being loud about it. People say why play Bakayoko, than he plays drinkwater, we say he is sh*t too. Than fabregas comes along, we say he has passed it. Why play alonso?Moses? Cahill? They are not for a top team right? So what is the manager supposed to do, could be Conte, allegri or guardiola!!??

The entire team is a mid table quality  except hazard, kante and azpi.. With the team quality we have getting top 4 will be an overachievement. 

Im sorry but that squad should be good enough to finish in the top 3 and maybe even reach the champions league quarters had we finished first in our group and not got barca.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Is it bollocks. f**k me there's some sh*te being written on here lately. 

Somebody was saying we were on the same level as Arsenal in terms of quality or not far off anyway, I thought that was bollocks, but a defeat really brings out the worst of supporters. 

I've lost a lot of faith in this team at the moment, but not the quality, we just need some more inspiration into the side but sadly I can't see that coming from Conte. 

20 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Im sorry but that squad should be good enough to finish in the top 3 and maybe even reach the champions league quarters had we finished first in our group and not got barca.

this i agree with, but we lost three important players from last year and the replacements have not reached their level

 Matic, Costa and Luiz as well given he has barely played

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by theone

Since the 25th of December Chelsea have taken 14 points in 10 games, Spurs 24, Liverpool 25.

Interesting. Now let me ask, how many games did Bakayoko play in that period? I'm not saying he was playing well but the amount of blame being attributed to him was ridiculous. We need a player of his potential in the middle of the pitch. I hope he gets his mojo back soon.

4 minutes ago, EmeraldBlue said:

Since the 25th of December Chelsea have taken 14 points in 10 games, Spurs 24, Liverpool 25.

Interesting. Now let me ask, how many games did Bakayoko play in that period? I'm not saying he was playing well but the amount of blame being attributed to him was ridiculous. We need a player of his potential in the middle of the pitch. I hope he gets his mojo back soon.

You having a laugh? It's better to play with 10 men than having Baka, his played 7 out of 10 games.

13 hours ago, abister1 said:

You sure of that?

From the top of my head these are the points we have rescued from 75 mins onwards under Conte.

2 vs West Ham

3 vs Watford

1 vs Swansea

2 vs West Brom

2 vs Stoke

2 vs West Brom 

2 vs Watford 

2 vs Spurs (although we conceded an equalizer in that period too)

2 vs Leti

1 vs Roma

3 vs Watford 

1 vs Liverpool

1 vs Leti

Thats 24 points in 18 months plus the Spurs semi last season which is pretty impressive in my book especially considering that upto new year we haven't been in that position so often.

10 hours ago, fiel said:

If we can't bare 3 weeks of a moody manager and 1 underwhelming season when it's clear as day that the squad is short-changed, then we don't deserve - any - top managers in the future. 

We are no more flawed than the other three teams battling top four yet you don't see Poch and Klopp acting like 12 year old's, even Jose's behaving great in comparison.

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

From the top of my head these are the points we have rescued from 75 mins onwards under Conte.

2 vs West Ham

3 vs Watford

1 vs Swansea

2 vs West Brom

2 vs Stoke

2 vs West Brom 

2 vs Watford 

2 vs Spurs (although we conceded an equalizer in that period too)

2 vs Leti

1 vs Roma

3 vs Watford 

1 vs Liverpool

1 vs Leti

Thats 24 points in 18 months plus the Spurs semi last season which is pretty impressive in my book especially considering that upto new year we haven't been in that position so often.

It would be interesting to look into those game's and see if the games was actually changed by Conte himself or even if he made a sub, for example that Roma game, Chelsea was 2-0 up then went 3-2 down. Conte made a change due to injury but never made a change of his own till after the 3rd goal. That game was 2 points lost really.

I can't remember for a long time Conte changing a game, formation or seeing the match going away from his team like the Utd or Roma games and influencing them before the damage is done,  he seems to stubborn to me.