39 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Not having Costa doesn't mean you wait till the 80th min to make subs, it doesn't mean you can't adapt from the same formation, it doesn't mean you can't adapt to football games changing, it doesn't mean you can't use players who are obviously fit, it doesn't mean you keep playing Baka. 

It's a poor excuse for many poor managerial errors, it's like blaming all the same faults on the board. If only we could all blame our mistakes on higher management like Conte does.

I agree about the subs, I hope it's something he changes if he stays as it makes the other players in the team feel worthless, and it doesn't allow fresh legs when they are needed or someone to kill the game off etc.

31 minutes ago, Gentian said:

Yet he won the FA cup despite the very poor season by his standards and ours. What did pochettino Klopp moriunho win again? How about Sarri? 

How many years did Wenger win the FA Cup? He still made many managerial errors, don't let the FA Cup gloss over them like Arsenal did for many years.

2 hours ago, Malcolm9 said:

I agree about the subs, I hope it's something he changes if he stays as it makes the other players in the team feel worthless, and it doesn't allow fresh legs when they are needed or someone to kill the game off etc.

He's not staying. 

10 hours ago, Gentian said:

Yet he won the FA cup despite the very poor season by his standards and ours. What did pochettino Klopp moriunho win again? How about Sarri? 

It appears our fan base is actually becoming Arsenal. 

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

It appears our fan base is actually becoming Arsenal. 

The premier league too the previous year.. whereas Arsenal was about 20 years ago and I don't care what anyone else thinks but he wasn't fully backed by our board the same way as Mourinho Guardiola and Klopp have been for the past two seasons. If we think that a new manager will come in and all of a sudden we get some top players for him we are delusional. If Conte doesn't want to stay than it's a different scenario, Chelsea will always exist. 

17 minutes ago, Gentian said:

The premier league too the previous year.. whereas Arsenal was about 20 years ago and I don't care what anyone else thinks but he wasn't fully backed by our board the same way as Mourinho Guardiola and Klopp have been for the past two seasons. If we think that a new manager will come in and all of a sudden we get some top players for him we are delusional. If Conte doesn't want to stay than it's a different scenario, Chelsea will always exist. 

Conte wanted Morata and he's sh*te. Thank god we didn't back him with other players he wanted. 

Yeah we should not allow managers to make ANY mistakes. First mistake they are out the door.

9 minutes ago, Stim said:

Yeah we should not allow managers to make ANY mistakes. First mistake they are out the door.

Or a full season with a catalogue of errors.

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

The premier league too the previous year.. whereas Arsenal was about 20 years ago and I don't care what anyone else thinks but he wasn't fully backed by our board the same way as Mourinho Guardiola and Klopp have been for the past two seasons. If we think that a new manager will come in and all of a sudden we get some top players for him we are delusional. If Conte doesn't want to stay than it's a different scenario, Chelsea will always exist. 

Who expects a new manager to come in and get fully backed with every player they want? Fans and the board even more don't want to headr about it every press conference while the manager is covering his own arse.

1 hour ago, Stim said:

Yeah we should not allow managers to make ANY mistakes. First mistake they are out the door.

Conte made many mistakes but the key point is he did nothing to show he was willing to change his ways or learn from his mistakes. Now making a change before the 80th min isn't really a hard thing to do but Conte has been so stubborn. Im all for Conte staying but he needs to be able to make changes tactically during a game before everyone watching the football match can see the opposition scoring apart from Conte.

He simply cannot stay. 1) I don't even know how many times he complained during the last season - and the situation isn't getting better. 2) Conte is obviously not able to work in such an environment. He's like Mourinho - he wants machines, his football demands a lot of running, covering space, scoring 2 goals out of 3 chances. And that's expensive. 3) we will probably lose Hazard, because he is tired of defensive non dominant football. And that's the only one thing we can't aford. 4) we will bring RLC and Zouma back, we will be looking for some talanted youngsters on the market, is he the right man for this job? You can't play pragmatic football with youths but they can teach from Hazard, Fabregas, Giroud and some other additions. And that's not applicable only for our offense, it's the same for defense. You give 70-75% of the ball to the opponent and that multiplies the odds of mistake from Zouma or Christensen as well. 

Edited June 4, 20188 yr by Giordano_Bruno

Remember when Hazard scored the most goals in his Chelsea period ? I swear I thought it was last year. Under a 'defensive minded coach' ? Bollocks.

58 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Conte made many mistakes

I worded it poorly because I was more referring to how one transfer meant he should never get any of his targets again.

1 minute ago, Geert The Flyer said:

Remember when Hazard scored the most goals in his Chelsea period ? I swear I thought it was last year. Under a 'defensive minded coach' ? Bollocks.

Yes, prime Hazard vs young Hazard. Prime Hazard with Cesc, Costa and Willian vs young Hazard with Mikel, Torres and Ramires. Please, that's ridiculous. What was the amount of goals again? 17... 17 is his greatest achievement. That's not good, mate. Bad argument. 

16 minutes ago, Stim said:

I worded it poorly because I was more referring to how one transfer meant he should never get any of his targets again.

Soz, my error.

15 hours ago, Stim said:

I worded it poorly because I was more referring to how one transfer meant he should never get any of his targets again.

Only have to look at some of the other people he wanted to see that he doesn't look at the bigger picture with transfers. The vast majority of the people it was reported he wanted were either 30+ (Naingollan, Bonucci, Llorente) or would have broken transfer records (A.Sandro). Very rarely do Chelsea sign either of those profiles.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 Only have to look at some of the other people he wanted to see that he doesn't look at the bigger picture with transfers. The vast majority of the people it was reported he wanted were either 30+ (Naingollan, Bonucci, Llorente) or would have broken transfer records (A.Sandro). Very rarely do Chelsea sign either of those profiles.

That super accurate and it's like no one is acknowledging it. We never saw him demanding for some young talent with great potential. He is 100% Jose type - give him warriors without class, running like brain-dead machines, listening to his shouting-instructions from the line. I clearly don't see that much of a difference in this:

Radja - Bakayoko from Monaco

Koulibali - Christensen

A Sandro - Marcos Alonso

Lukaku - Morata (or whatever this bloody case may be)

his favourite son Llorente - Giroud

 

These are all bad transfers and that's how he's got alienated himself from the players like Hazard, Willian, Luiz and Costa. They are just sick and tired of this kind of football. Even if we had managed to bring him his primary targets, the football would've not been different. Maybe top 4, maybe semi final in CL, but still not enjoyable and most importantly - good for the future. Because this kind of demanding style never lasts more than a season or two. 

 

15 hours ago, Geert The Flyer said:

Remember when Hazard scored the most goals in his Chelsea period ? I swear I thought it was last year. Under a 'defensive minded coach' ? Bollocks.

The fact that Hazard stepped up in the last few seasons is very good, but the lack of another striker that can score 20 goals is one of the big reasons why we couldn't get into top 4.

Last season:
Michy - 12 games in PL, 2 goals, in total 10 goals
Giroud - 13 games in PL, 3 goals, in total 5 goals
Morata - 31 games 11 goals, in total 15 goals

Hazard - 34 games 12 goals, in total 17 goals

Season before that:

Hazard - 36 games 16 goals, in total 17 goals
But, Diego Costa - 35 games 20 goals, in total 22 goals! 

Hazard is not supposed to be the top striker, he needs help! 

9 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The fact that Hazard stepped up in the last few seasons is very good, but the lack of another striker that can score 20 goals is one of the big reasons why we couldn't get into top 4.

Last season:
Michy - 12 games in PL, 2 goals, in total 10 goals
Giroud - 13 games in PL, 3 goals, in total 5 goals
Morata - 31 games 11 goals, in total 15 goals

Hazard - 34 games 12 goals, in total 17 goals

Season before that:

Hazard - 36 games 16 goals, in total 17 goals
But, Diego Costa - 35 games 20 goals, in total 22 goals! 

Hazard is not supposed to be the top striker, he needs help! 

We would have had a 20+ goal/season striker if Conte didn't totally alienate Batshuayi. Scored goals everywhere he's been. Doesn't get played because he can't pass it back to our defenders though.

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

Doesn't get played because he can't pass it back to our defenders though.

You can't just make up reasons to make your point seem stronger.

Actually I guess you can and did I suppose.

Edited June 5, 20188 yr by Stim

1 minute ago, Stim said:

You can't just make up reasons to make your point seem stronger.

Actually I guess you can and did I suppose.

Was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. Was commonly known he wasn't played due to his 'poor link up play' (laughable when you look at Morata's and we're linked to Icardi). I merely emphasized it as a joke as Conte plays with 7 defenders. I suppose things can be difficult to read online. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Only have to look at some of the other people he wanted to see that he doesn't look at the bigger picture with transfers. The vast majority of the people it was reported he wanted were either 30+ (Naingollan, Bonucci, Llorente) or would have broken transfer records (A.Sandro). Very rarely do Chelsea sign either of those profiles.

Didn't you know Conte wanted Walker because he mentioned his name once in a press conference and it's all the boards fault, even though everyone in football knew he was going to City.

On 4/6/2018 at 14:42, Gentian said:

The premier league too the previous year.. whereas Arsenal was about 20 years ago and I don't care what anyone else thinks but he wasn't fully backed by our board the same way as Mourinho Guardiola and Klopp have been for the past two seasons. If we think that a new manager will come in and all of a sudden we get some top players for him we are delusional. If Conte doesn't want to stay than it's a different scenario, Chelsea will always exist. 

Lets hope his new club don't have the audacity to only give him £220m.

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. Was commonly known he wasn't played due to his 'poor link up play' (laughable when you look at Morata's and we're linked to Icardi). I merely emphasized it as a joke as Conte plays with 7 defenders. I suppose things can be difficult to read online. 

Difference is Morata even when he's awful gets the bare basics right tactically in terms of movement and positioning, with Bats we were literally playing with ten men unless he had a shot inside the penalty area.

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

The fact that Hazard stepped up in the last few seasons is very good, but the lack of another striker that can score 20 goals is one of the big reasons why we couldn't get into top 4.

Last season:
Michy - 12 games in PL, 2 goals, in total 10 goals
Giroud - 13 games in PL, 3 goals, in total 5 goals
Morata - 31 games 11 goals, in total 15 goals

Hazard - 34 games 12 goals, in total 17 goals

Season before that:

Hazard - 36 games 16 goals, in total 17 goals
But, Diego Costa - 35 games 20 goals, in total 22 goals! 

Hazard is not supposed to be the top striker, he needs help! 

You need to look at minutes played, or "per 90" games to get a proper view of what was going on.

We pretty much only ever had one striker on the pitch, and frequently none when Conte favoured the false 9.

Diego Costa pretty much played every minute of each of his 35 games, so our "striker" managed 15 vs his 20, which is not that different taking into account the disruption and potential confidence hit of the chopping & changing , added to which we certainly played a much more defensive game last season vs the title winning season for sure.

Here is the compare on Squawka :

 

If Morata genuinely had a back injury, then that would definitely have affected his performance, as any back sufferer will attest ... even when it is better you mentally "protect" it ...

 

Water under the bridge anyway :)