16 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Are they good enough excuses for how Conte managed Chelsea in 2018?

As I said in an earlier post, Conte certainly blameless for our season but I don't think he deserve to carry all of the blame either. 

I'm not expecting him to stay but personally wouldn't object to it. If he, the board and the players were able to learn from their failings, resolve any hostilities there may be then I think he is still more than capable of succeeding at Chelsea. 

We're looking to appoint a manager (Sarri) who despite not winning anything was given time and patience to build his team. Spurs and Liverpool have done the same, they've bought into a managers philosophy and vision and have been willing to stick it out long term. 

Does it bring success? Maybe not but it's got to be worth trying... So why not persist with Conte for another season, help him get the profile of players he thinks he needs and see what happens. He's shown that even during a turbulent season he can still win things and maintain the club's profile so what if he gets things back on track and gets us playing well and consistently again?  

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

Got it or not got it, he has zero to spend. All the spend was done by the board. The board did not come and say it`s not like that, yet 10 people said it`s like Conte said it is, that he has zero says about transfers.

That"s bullsh*t, and you know it. Well actually even if your right, it still doesn't excuse 3 goal defeats by Bournemouth and Watford, in no galaxy is that acceptable.

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

But that £200m is offset by selling Costa and Matic (for a combined £100m), two hugely experienced players with a lot of leadership. 

Throw on top replacing the leadership and experience of JT with Christensen and it's a very different squad from the previous season. 

It's very similar to when Carlo Ancelotti won the title, the following season he lost Ballack, Deco, Cavalho and Belletti and we only signed Ramires. 

You cannot overstate the value of experience and leadership within a squad and we stripped too much of that away in player sales this summer. 

We hardly replaced them with novice kids, well not this year anyway. One year United replaced Van Der Sar, Brown and O Shea  (a lot of experience) with Young and teenagers De Gea and Jones yet they didn't collapse. Plus net spend is a ridiculously overhyped argument anyway (especially with us due to our loan operation that makes up for half our transfer income), we use to laugh hysterically at Liverpool fans using net spend to defend Rafa and Kenny when they dived down the league.

12 minutes ago, Argo said:

We hardly replaced them with novice kids, well not this year anyway. One year United replaced Van Der Sar, Brown and O Shea  (a lot of experience) with Young and teenagers De Gea and Jones yet they didn't collapse. Plus net spend is a ridiculously overhyped argument anyway (especially with us due to our loan operation that makes up for half our transfer income), we use to laugh hysterically at Liverpool fans using net spend to defend Rafa and Kenny when they dived down the league.

Yeah but that Manchester United squad still consisted of Evra, Ferdinand, Rooney, Giggs, Vidic, Carrick and Scholes. That's still a wealth of experience and leadership to call upon. 

Net spend isn't the whole argument but when our spend is off set by the sales of high profile players you definitely have to take it into account, especially when you look at how free-spending the two Manchester clubs have been. 

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Yeah but that Manchester United squad still consisted of Evra, Ferdinand, Rooney, Giggs, Vidic, Carrick and Scholes. That's still a wealth of experience and leadership to call upon. 

Our squad still contained tibo, luiz, Dave, gaz, hazard and fabragas. That's also a wealth of experience and leadership to call upon!

38 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Our squad still contained tibo, luiz, Dave, gaz, hazard and fabragas. That's also a wealth of experience and leadership to call upon!

Luiz was injured most of the season and Cahill’s form saw him dropped for Christensen. 

But even then it’s still such a far cry from previous seasons when we had such a depth of leadership and experience to call upon.

 I’m surprised that anyone would refute that.

6 hours ago, Total-Football said:

But we signed more then just Ramires this season. Rudiger, Morata, Bakayoko, Palmieri,  Giroud, Drinkwater, Barkley and Zappacosta. That's 8 signings across the season. They are terrible signings bar 1/2 but they were the profile of player that Conte wanted.

. Midfield he wanted a physically imposing and hard working type of player. Bakayoko was a complete screw up from everybody involved.

. Striker he wanted a target man. He got two.

. He wanted wing backs. We got him the best LWB in the Serie A and a decent RWB from the same league.

. He wanted a physical centre back who could play long balls over the top. He got that with Rudiger.

Admittedly the board have bought very poorly with their options but I think the players Conte wanted were not really good targets for the club to sign. Firstly, the players he targeted were very scarce in profile, which meant we either went for the cream of the crop (Vidal, Koulibaly etc.) Which was not possible or we took a risk on a player or two (Bakayoko, Rudiger etc.) Which we did and got the results we expected.  Secondly, the types of players he wanted would have brought us back playing bad football where we are more physical then technical. This isn't good for the club as the footballing world moves closer and closer to being technically based with all the top teams having a high degree of technical ability. 

None of his targets were available as well. Bonucci and Nainggolan would not leave Italy, Koulibaly was £70m+ and Napoli don't negotiate, Vidal was never leaving Bayern for us and Sandro seemingly used us to leverage a new contract. Of the two that we possibly could've signed with enough money  (Koulibaly and Sandro) I would argue we bought players of a similar quality for half the price in Emerson and Rudiger. We bought one of the two striker targets we were linked to in Morata. The other was Lukaku who is not much better in my opinion and would infuriate the fans with his sh*t touch and technique. Giroud is better than Lorrente so we won out there. The only place we failed to meet Conte's demand was in midfield where we royally f**ked up. Then again, it's again most impossible to sign Vidal clones which is what Conte wanted.

 

In my opinion, Conte is again most eat head coach but bad manager who was not good at identifying targets for the club. This meant that the club (Who themselves are quite bad at identifying targets and signing them) ended up with a harder job that they struggled to handle.

Just look at who we are linked to now; Seri, Higuain and Langeles. Much better quality and more realistic then Conte's targets.

What he got exactly? Giroud come in the very end of the WINTER transfer window. The same goest for Emerson, who was with hard injury and did not play even 1 match for Roma. And you said he was the best LWB in the Italy, are you f**** kidding me ?

Same for the Zapacosta, and i heard him for the first time, when we have interest in him. Both are pretty much average player.

Same for Bakayoko, who had hard injury.

Giroud also have injury before he came here.

It was obvious Lukaku was the first choice, but Marina messed it big.

Board fuc**** the relationship and Conte was not at 100% from the first minute in the very season.
So i don`t see how all of this is his fault.

 

And now they are doing the same old sh***.

Waiting for manager so long, while other teams make top transfers ....

Now Marina will wait till the very end again, and the player we brought will be average again for high price.

And btw getting players late, means they won`t have enough time to prepare, same for the players, and for the manager ....

 

26 minutes ago, brakeit said:

What he got exactly? Giroud come in the very end of the WINTER transfer window. The same goest for Emerson, who was with hard injury and did not play even 1 match for Roma. And you said he was the best LWB in the Italy, are you f**** kidding me ?

Same for the Zapacosta, and i heard him for the first time, when we have interest in him. Both are pretty much average player.

Same for Bakayoko, who had hard injury.

Giroud also have injury before he came here.

It was obvious Lukaku was the first choice, but Marina messed it big.

Board fuc**** the relationship and Conte was not at 100% from the first minute in the very season.
So i don`t see how all of this is his fault.

 

And now they are doing the same old sh***.

Waiting for manager so long, while other teams make top transfers ....

Now Marina will wait till the very end again, and the player we brought will be average again for high price.

And btw getting players late, means they won`t have enough time to prepare, same for the players, and for the manager ....

 

So to get this right, you think Conte did nothing wrong season just gone?

1 hour ago, brakeit said:

What he got exactly? Giroud come in the very end of the WINTER transfer window. The same goest for Emerson, who was with hard injury and did not play even 1 match for Roma. And you said he was the best LWB in the Italy, are you f**** kidding me ?

Same for the Zapacosta, and i heard him for the first time, when we have interest in him. Both are pretty much average player.

Same for Bakayoko, who had hard injury.

Giroud also have injury before he came here.

It was obvious Lukaku was the first choice, but Marina messed it big.

Board fuc**** the relationship and Conte was not at 100% from the first minute in the very season.
So i don`t see how all of this is his fault.

 

And now they are doing the same old sh***.

Waiting for manager so long, while other teams make top transfers ....

Now Marina will wait till the very end again, and the player we brought will be average again for high price.

And btw getting players late, means they won`t have enough time to prepare, same for the players, and for the manager ....

 

Ffs, same BS just a different day. You literally act like everything is fact and your the man in the know at the club.

How do you know Lukaku was first choice? How do you know we bid for him? How strong was our interest? How do you know Morata wasn't a Conte player?

Tbh most people probably agree the board is to blame for a lot of wrongs at the club but don't have the hatred for them like you or make the manager blameless which is the best comedy anyone will read in your posts.

The board have been rubbish for years, we all know that and we don't need your posts to remind us, they love a deadline day deal, seems to be something they enjoy.

There are some things I will give the board credit for and these are, Rudiger was brought to the club (we don't know if Conte, board signing or both) and no one can question his ability, his been very good, I reckon even better in a back 4. Now would Koulibaly at double the price performed at the same level, that's a risky price to find out.

The signing of Emerson has been a good one, some say surely a Conte signing because of the Seria A links. He did actually return in 2017 and was on the bench for ages, made 1 appearance for Roma so your wrong there ;). The games he has played he was very good, Alonso and Emerson swapping position is not the worst scenario. 65m for Sandro is also very risky. Admittedly i moan a lot about Alonso but we got him and Emerson for less.

Giroud was signed, I don't really rate him but I don't think Llorente would have made the same impact but both older players.

When Baka was signed most people was excited by his signing, I was. Just because he unfortunately ended up sh*t doesn't make it automatically the boards fault, why can't he be a Conte target, oh i get you it's because he was sh*t.

Then there is Bonucci, why would the board spend sh*t loads on an older player and wages for a manager who has no commitment to the club? If you sit back and think about it from the owners perspective then I wouldn't be spending my money on him either. Of course these are just players we are linked with and presume we didn't push through the deals

The board is not blameless but either is Conte, Conte gets credit for winning the FA Cup but that doesn't cover up all your faults unless your Wenger in disguise.

Edited June 8, 20188 yr by Ernie_blue

13 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

For some fans a FA Cup win gloss over all the negatives.

Funny how some fans have forgotten that the FA Cup has any value. 

We had a sh*t year and still won a trophy. Seems to me that says if we reinforced our squad (as we all know we need to) we've probably got a manager who can get the results we need. 

28 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Funny how some fans have forgotten that the FA Cup has any value. 

We had a sh*t year and still won a trophy. Seems to me that says if we reinforced our squad (as we all know we need to) we've probably got a manager who can get the results we need. 

Arsenal won plenty of FA Cups or got top 4 and had sh*t years. Again let's not let a FA Cup gloss over all our sh*t season and let's not keep blaming all Conte's mistakes on signings, I've said this so many times but non league managers wouldn't make the same mistakes. There lame excuses.

8 hours ago, brakeit said:

What he got exactly? Giroud come in the very end of the WINTER transfer window. The same goest for Emerson, who was with hard injury and did not play even 1 match for Roma. And you said he was the best LWB in the Italy, are you f**** kidding me ?

Same for the Zapacosta, and i heard him for the first time, when we have interest in him. Both are pretty much average player.

Same for Bakayoko, who had hard injury.

Giroud also have injury before he came here.

It was obvious Lukaku was the first choice, but Marina messed it big.

Board fuc**** the relationship and Conte was not at 100% from the first minute in the very season.
So i don`t see how all of this is his fault.

 

And now they are doing the same old sh***.

Waiting for manager so long, while other teams make top transfers ....

Now Marina will wait till the very end again, and the player we brought will be average again for high price.

And btw getting players late, means they won`t have enough time to prepare, same for the players, and for the manager ....

 

Gotta hear what top transfers clubs have made so far. Lemar is the only one I can think of and is that really a 'top' transfer? 

There's nothing stopping us from making our own signings btw. The window is open and we have a manager in place. Not that it should matter bc the manager doesn't get the players he wants anyway right? 

TheChelseaBlues, same sh** was saying last season and we get what? Drinkwater, injured Barkley, injured Emerson and so on. Only average players.
If you want quality you have to act fast, not slow like every season Marina doing.

And Liverpool is close to Fekir as well. Fabinho, Fekir is pretty strong starting selection. Also Keita will join them. United have done 2 transfers already.

And guess what we have done nothing. We don`t even know who our manager will be.....

But result will speak for themself. I will be right at the end, just wait.

Argo i do think he made a lot of mistake, but everyones do.
Guardiola has some s**** game his first season, 4-2 lose to Lecester, 4-0 to Everton and so on.

You have to look at the whole picture, whole period of the manager if is that short. You can judge only by 1 year.

To me PL and FA Cup for 2 years is great result, with all the s*** happen in that time and the rivarly.

Sorry but our team is not good enough, and last season it`s shows.

It`s only board fault, but it`s not only Conte`s fault. People forgeting that players are on the pitch and how many times in the last seasons they f***** hard and underperformed.

Conte is gone, but i`m sure the result with the next one will be worst.

Or you think the next one will win FA and PL for 2 years? Cause that is what it stands at the end.

Ernie_blue, but it`s not only FA Cup, but the PL last year.

If Wenger has won even one PL in the last 5 season to say, he would be untouchable.

Same for Tottenham.

Mourinho has one nothing in PL, yet he get backed time after time.

And how i know Lukaku was our first target? It was obvious we was after him. Even Everton director says it. Also we made last minute bid, when we see United agree fee with Everton. It was official bid, Sky Sports report it.

I read that comment only, failed to read the rest of yours, cause you are speaking the same b.c. over again.

We will see what will happen this season.

Edited June 9, 20188 yr by brakeit

2 hours ago, brakeit said:

TheChelseaBlues, same sh** was saying last season and we get what? Drinkwater, injured Barkley, injured Emerson and so on. Only average players.
If you want quality you have to act fast, not slow like every season Marina doing.

And Liverpool is close to Fekir as well. Fabinho, Fekir is pretty strong starting selection. Also Keita will join them. United have done 2 transfers already.

And guess what we have done nothing. We don`t even know who our manager will be.....

But result will speak for themself. I will be right at the end, just wait.

Argo i do think he made a lot of mistake, but everyones do.
Guardiola has some s**** game his first season, 4-2 lose to Lecester, 4-0 to Everton and so on.

You have to look at the whole picture, whole period of the manager if is that short. You can judge only by 1 year.

To me PL and FA Cup for 2 years is great result, with all the s*** happen in that time and the rivarly.

Sorry but our team is not good enough, and last season it`s shows.

It`s only board fault, but it`s not only Conte`s fault. People forgeting that players are on the pitch and how many times in the last seasons they f***** hard and underperformed.

Conte is gone, but i`m sure the result with the next one will be worst.

Or you think the next one will win FA and PL for 2 years? Cause that is what it stands at the end.

Ernie_blue, but it`s not only FA Cup, but the PL last year.

If Wenger has won even one PL in the last 5 season to say, he would be untouchable.

Same for Tottenham.

Mourinho has one nothing in PL, yet he get backed time after time.

And how i know Lukaku was our first target? It was obvious we was after him. Even Everton director says it. Also we made last minute bid, when we see United agree fee with Everton. It was official bid, Sky Sports report it.

I read that comment only, failed to read the rest of yours, cause you are speaking the same b.c. over again.

We will see what will happen this season.

Your unnecessary blaming of marina for everything is extremely tiring and a bit concerning. I think you might have a problem with women as it makes no other sense.

Marina is part of the board, Roman is the top dog. There are lots of moving parts but at the end of the day, Marina does what she's told to do.

4 hours ago, brakeit said:

TheChelseaBlues, same sh** was saying last season and we get what? Drinkwater, injured Barkley, injured Emerson and so on. Only average players.
If you want quality you have to act fast, not slow like every season Marina doing.

And Liverpool is close to Fekir as well. Fabinho, Fekir is pretty strong starting selection. Also Keita will join them. United have done 2 transfers already.

And guess what we have done nothing. We don`t even know who our manager will be.....

But result will speak for themself. I will be right at the end, just wait.

Argo i do think he made a lot of mistake, but everyones do.
Guardiola has some s**** game his first season, 4-2 lose to Lecester, 4-0 to Everton and so on.

You have to look at the whole picture, whole period of the manager if is that short. You can judge only by 1 year.

To me PL and FA Cup for 2 years is great result, with all the s*** happen in that time and the rivarly.

Sorry but our team is not good enough, and last season it`s shows.

It`s only board fault, but it`s not only Conte`s fault. People forgeting that players are on the pitch and how many times in the last seasons they f***** hard and underperformed.

Conte is gone, but i`m sure the result with the next one will be worst.

Or you think the next one will win FA and PL for 2 years? Cause that is what it stands at the end.

Ernie_blue, but it`s not only FA Cup, but the PL last year.

If Wenger has won even one PL in the last 5 season to say, he would be untouchable.

Same for Tottenham.

Mourinho has one nothing in PL, yet he get backed time after time.

And how i know Lukaku was our first target? It was obvious we was after him. Even Everton director says it. Also we made last minute bid, when we see United agree fee with Everton. It was official bid, Sky Sports report it.

I read that comment only, failed to read the rest of yours, cause you are speaking the same b.c. over again.

We will see what will happen this season.

Do you think you are some sort of clever prick, you keep writing sh*t like this. Most people probably agree with you about the board, they have let Chelsea down for a number of seasons, it's not about being right or wrong because the chances are the board will do the same. It's your hatred towards them which is funny and the way you make Conte blameless.

Read this dude:

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/07/chelsea-stars-agents-concerned-club-fails-keep-managerial-promise-7611848/

How can you defend the board, when they are making the same mistakes time after time, season after season and they obviously not learn and think it`s all manager fault`s, just like someone like you here.

I never said Conte is blamless, but the scandals that happen inside in the club, reflect to players. It`s obvious, that is what write in the article as well.

That`s why we have such a bad season with Boas, same with Mourinho and now with Conte last season.

And you can`t expect me to turn on someone, who came here, took a team that no one wants to manage, because players was doing sh*** with managers and firing manager after manager, he took the team that finish 10, and 99% of the people said most of the players was done and not good enough and he made us Champion with a record streak.

And it was the first time for a while, we was playing great football, and have our own philosophy and the other was copycat us.

Tottenham, Arsenal and so on.

So no way in hell i will turn and say something bad against the guy that bring me my smile back, when seeing our team win the title after so bad season previously.

No one in the world expected this to happen, and now you and some other so call "specialists" are trying to make this never happened. Yeah it happen it was not long ago.

And if for you and some other specialist , PL and FA Cup title means nothing, guess what for me means a lot.

From the Roman era, Conte was only the third manager, that can manage to win the PL title, only the third, thats tells you a lot.

Cause i read a lot of b.c. in the early season about Zidane as well and how bad he is, and it`s only players that bring the result, and then the same fans was saying he is the best in the world after the CL final .....

That`s tell you a lot about todays fans.

My job as a fan is to support Chelsea and Chelsea manager. I don`t give a sh*** about Marina.

Was i clear enough ? Or should i write 10 more reply like this ?

How many i will need to get my point ???

 

Edited June 9, 20188 yr by brakeit

This thread is so ridiculously monotonous. Same f**king sh*t day in day out. And the common denominator award goes to...........................

33 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

This thread is so ridiculously monotonous. Same f**king sh*t day in day out. And the common denominator award goes to...........................

Edited June 9, 20188 yr by Kev56

1 hour ago, Osgood is Good said:

This thread is so ridiculously monotonous. Same f**king sh*t day in day out. And the common denominator award goes to...........................

It’s the post season madness setting in. It’s even worse this year because of the lack of concrete news coming from the club.

This is how the apocalypse starts, get out while you still can! 

Now Marina is to blame? When she's gone, who's next? 

The board may have messed up but that doesn't justify losing to Watford or Bournemouth. Was it the board that played Bakayoko? Dropping Hazard for the Huddersfield game? 

I don't know whether Conte wants to honour the contract or is being a d*ck about it regarding the RM rumours

34 minutes ago, Deino said:

Now Marina is to blame? When she's gone, who's next? 

The board may have messed up but that doesn't justify losing to Watford or Bournemouth. Was it the board that played Bakayoko? Dropping Hazard for the Huddersfield game? 

I don't know whether Conte wants to honour the contract or is being a d*ck about it regarding the RM rumours

Watford Bournemouth Watford Bournemouth!!! The same sh*t all the time. Loosing like that happens quite often to alot of big teams.... Greece won the European cup and than Albania 120 in the world at the time beat them straight after on WC qualification. Just stop this nonsense... in 2 years Conte won more cups than all the top 6 managers so he is not a schmuk. He will go and we will get another one... same thing will happend on 2nd year, we have no patience nor does the board and that's how it is. 

13 minutes ago, Gentian said:

Watford Bournemouth Watford Bournemouth!!! The same sh*t all the time. Loosing like that happens quite often to alot of big teams.... Greece won the European cup and than Albania 120 in the world at the time beat them straight after on WC qualification. Just stop this nonsense... in 2 years Conte won more cups than all the top 6 managers so he is not a schmuk. He will go and we will get another one... same thing will happend on 2nd year, we have no patience nor does the board and that's how it is. 

Bournemouth, Watford, Leicester, Huddersfield, West Ham, Newcastle, Arsenal home and away in the league cup, Norwich home and away in the FA cup but we sneaked through, Spurs, City and Utd away. We literally scrapped alot of wins too. Conte lost alot of points due to team selections, negative football, not making subs and being too stubborn to adapt to game changing moments. Who the hell makes changes in the second to last game, that moment literally summed up Conte's season. Conte f**ked up the majority of 2018, you can't blame the board for simple errors.

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Now Marina is to blame? When she's gone, who's next?  

The board may have messed up but that doesn't justify losing to Watford or Bournemouth. Was it the board that played Bakayoko? Dropping Hazard for the Huddersfield game?  

I don't know whether Conte wants to honour the contract or is being a d*ck about it regarding the RM rumours 

Guardiola lose 4-0 to Everton, and 4-2 to Leicester when they was in the relegation zone.

So what ? He didn`t win anything in his first season and loses to a lot lesser team in Monaco in the CL, after they have solid lead in the first match.

And now most of the posters here is prising him, while the same exact poster was slamming him last season ....

If we was lost to Monaco in the Round of 16, especially if we was won the first leg with 5-3, he will be all over the place and you will wanted his head right away.

But City fans and board did not do that, they let him recover and learn from his mistake, and now they are champions and win the title with record.

That`s how you do it.

I hope you get my point.

Ernie_blue if you are such a specialist go have a try at Chelsea as a manager and show us how much you know about the game.

Go give it a try.

 

Edited June 9, 20188 yr by brakeit

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Watford Bournemouth Watford Bournemouth!!! The same sh*t all the time. Loosing like that happens quite often to alot of big teams.... Greece won the European cup and than Albania 120 in the world at the time beat them straight after on WC qualification. Just stop this nonsense... in 2 years Conte won more cups than all the top 6 managers so he is not a schmuk. He will go and we will get another one... same thing will happend on 2nd year, we have no patience nor does the board and that's how it is. 

What 3-0 then 4-1 in less than a week?

Infact has anyone else lost by 3 goals at home toBournemouth since they came up?

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Watford Bournemouth Watford Bournemouth!!! The same sh*t all the time. Loosing like that happens quite often to alot of big teams...

Our worst back to back league results in over 20 years.