2 hours ago, bluedave said:

Ah oh, I didn't realise you knew them personally!

 

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

You should just say you don't like Lukaku as a person and end it there. How you know Lukaku is complaining out of arrogance and entitlement? That's abit harsh on someone you know nothing about.

It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking Lukaku as a person. Unless supremely talented, I just don't believe that arrogance regarding their footballing ability and entitlement allows a footballer to become great. Several variables play in here, including how your team mates perceive you to be. I don't know if Lukaku can deal with being just another fish in a pond at Chelsea from by far the biggest at Everton. He will not be the first and will not be the last to struggle to adapt in such a scenario.

@bluedave Do you ever find yourself saying someone appears happy, sad, frustrated, angry or find yourself using words like petulant, etc.? Do you always know that someone personally? If we cannot use our accumulated knowledge of human behaviour to come up with theories to explain certain actions, we either aren't thinking enough or are refusing to try and put 2 and 2 together. Of course, I may easily be wrong but that is my impression.

 

28 minutes ago, ashwin said:

 

@bluedave Do you ever find yourself saying someone appears happy, sad, frustrated, angry or find yourself using words like petulant, etc.? Do you always know that someone personally? If we cannot use our accumulated knowledge of human behaviour to come up with theories to explain certain actions, we either aren't thinking enough or are refusing to try and put 2 and 2 together. Of course, I may easily be wrong but that is my impression.

 

I don't think you need to know somebody personally to know if they are happy/sad, etc., it's usually pretty obvious. I'm questioning whether it's possible to take two players who, at times, exhibit similar ill-tempered behaviour and to say definitively that in one case it's caused by frustration (good) and in the other case, by arrogance (bad). Unless you know these people personally, it will require a significant prejudgment of their personalities (based on what, post-match interviews? badly translated tabloid articles?) to reach that kind of conclusion.

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Wasnt Henry famously known for never scoring in a single final for Arsenal also?

Probably the wrong day to mention this, but as I recall he got an assist in a World Cup qualifying play-off...

16 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Suarez would be at least 100m my friend. Sanchez 50 and Im sure Mbappe won't be cheap. Im not sure how much you think we'll get for the pair. Has Bats increased in value and I havent realized it? 

I didn't mention Suarez, but Morata would cost about 50mil. Sanchez has just 1 year left on his contract, I doubt he will go for more then 30m-40m. Mbappe probably around 50mil. Batshuayi can be sold for 30mil, same as he was bought for. Just take Benteke as an example, he played horrible for Liverpool, but didn't loose much value when he was sold. A sale of Costa to China could give us as much as 120mil, if the rumours about us turning down 90m in january and demanding 128m this summer was true.

3 hours ago, bluedave said:

I don't think you need to know somebody personally to know if they are happy/sad, etc., it's usually pretty obvious. I'm questioning whether it's possible to take two players who, at times, exhibit similar ill-tempered behaviour and to say definitively that in one case it's caused by frustration (good) and in the other case, by arrogance (bad). Unless you know these people personally, it will require a significant prejudgment of their personalities (based on what, post-match interviews? badly translated tabloid articles?) to reach that kind of conclusion.

Absolutely not based on interviews or tabloid articles, I don't think I remember a single interview of his and I don't remember any tabloid article saying anything of the sort.

Completely based on their on field behaviour and demeanor. I believe I see something but I may be wrong. I do believe that it doesn't take a professional psychologist to analyse on field demeanor.

Do you find Ronaldo's demeanor arrogant? Or Balotelli's? Cantona? Or Ibra? If you do or did, do you see any of the same characteristics in Costa? Do you see any of that in Lukaku?

people slate Costa for his technical ability, and yet want us to sign Lukaku for 100 mill?

I like Lukaku, and feel bad that a bloke who idolized Drogba and Chelsea was shafted by us.  However, there's no way we should be really serious about this; unless, Costa does leave and replacements are limited.  I just think the amounts being touted are ridiculous 

5 hours ago, bluedave said:

I don't think you need to know somebody personally to know if they are happy/sad, etc., it's usually pretty obvious. I'm questioning whether it's possible to take two players who, at times, exhibit similar ill-tempered behaviour and to say definitively that in one case it's caused by frustration (good) and in the other case, by arrogance (bad). Unless you know these people personally, it will require a significant prejudgment of their personalities (based on what, post-match interviews? badly translated tabloid articles?) to reach that kind of conclusion.

Also take Pogba for example. Whatever he does off field or with his hair, I have seen no evidence on field (so far) to suggest that he is not a team player. Worth about 60 mil less but still a team player.

3 hours ago, comtrend said:

I didn't mention Suarez, but Morata would cost about 50mil. Sanchez has just 1 year left on his contract, I doubt he will go for more then 30m-40m. Mbappe probably around 50mil. Batshuayi can be sold for 30mil, same as he was bought for. Just take Benteke as an example, he played horrible for Liverpool, but didn't loose much value when he was sold. A sale of Costa to China could give us as much as 120mil, if the rumours about us turning down 90m in january and demanding 128m this summer was true.

Can't see us getting the money for batshuayi. Probably looking at closer to 20m. The only reason benteke was sold for the same amount was because he had a good record in the prem already. 

1 hour ago, mad_mac said:

people slate Costa for his technical ability, and yet want us to sign Lukaku for 100 mill?

I like Lukaku, and feel bad that a bloke who idolized Drogba and Chelsea was shafted by us.  However, there's no way we should be really serious about this; unless, Costa does leave and replacements are limited.  I just think the amounts being touted are ridiculous 

Not seen any reports for £100m. £65m would be about going rate for someone with his record at that age. 

Although lukaku can look clumsy at times I don't think his touch as bad as what some people make out. Costa looks clumpy at times as well. He seems to link up well with hazard and other technical players for Belgium so I don't see it as a major issue anymore.

I think if lukaku comes here, you can guarantee he will do everything in his power to make it a success. 

1 hour ago, mad_mac said:

people slate Costa for his technical ability, and yet want us to sign Lukaku for 100 mill?

I like Lukaku, and feel bad that a bloke who idolized Drogba and Chelsea was shafted by us.  However, there's no way we should be really serious about this; unless, Costa does leave and replacements are limited.  I just think the amounts being touted are ridiculous 

Whose saying spend a £100 mil on him?

6 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

Whose saying spend a £100 mil on him?

ESPN, so that's probably dollars.  They love to do that to make it more sensational 

12 hours ago, comtrend said:

I didn't mention Suarez, but Morata would cost about 50mil. Sanchez has just 1 year left on his contract, I doubt he will go for more then 30m-40m. Mbappe probably around 50mil. Batshuayi can be sold for 30mil, same as he was bought for. Just take Benteke as an example, he played horrible for Liverpool, but didn't loose much value when he was sold. A sale of Costa to China could give us as much as 120mil, if the rumours about us turning down 90m in january and demanding 128m this summer was true.

Thats my mistake, I read you then I saw Ernie_blue mention Suarez in his reply and I included it. 

As likely as those three are to move, the two aside from Morata will be largely inflated fees. Sanchez is already going to either Juve, United or us. Figure in where he's coming from as well. Mbappe is probably worth that but Martial was sold for around 50 and we're a couple years on. Neither will have a shortage of suitors and getting 100m for Costa is on the optimistic side. I would trade our 2 for those 3 100% of the time though, all price tags being even. 

 

I think Lukaku would be the best 1 for 1 replacement for Costa. I still stand by my statement Morata would be like for like, it would be nice to have a more versatile player there

Scored twice for Everton today and are now at 21 league goals for the season. In the form he's in at the moment he's got a shot at reaching 30.

Get him in.

22 hours ago, mad_mac said:

people slate Costa for his technical ability, and yet want us to sign Lukaku for 100 mill?

I like Lukaku, and feel bad that a bloke who idolized Drogba and Chelsea was shafted by us.  However, there's no way we should be really serious about this; unless, Costa does leave and replacements are limited.  I just think the amounts being touted are ridiculous 

I think he has improved every part of his game this season though. His touch has definitely improved and he's holding up play and bringing midfielders into the attack a lot better than he was. His overall game is a lot better than Costa's that's for sure. The things Costa has over him at the moment are big goals at big moments and the ability to appear from nowhere and score typical strikers goals. If Lukaku can add that to his game then i would take him over Costa any day.

Lukaku has been really good for Everton since mid December now, that is 4 months of consistency from him. If Lukaku is available then i think we should do everything we can to bring him back, especially if Costa leaves. He's only 23 and getting better by the season. I would rather we spent £50 million on Lukaku than someone like Morata who hasn't really proven anything yet in his career. 

Edited March 18, 20179 yr by Scott Harris

5 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Lukaku has been really good for Everton since mid December now, that is 4 months of consistency from him. If Lukaku is available then i think we should do everything we can to bring him back, especially if Costa leaves. He's only 23 and getting better by the season. I would rather we spent £50 million on Lukaku than someone like Morata who hasn't really proven anything yet in his career. 

I know he has limited number of minutes this year, but I think you are wrong. He has a couple of Serie A titles with Juventus, was a big part of them reaching the CL finals and also played very well for them the following year in CL. His performance in Euro 2016 was also better then Lukaku, who had a very bad one. He has a better goal/assist ratio in the league, when you look at minutes played compared to Lukaku these last three years as well.

I think there is more to Moratas game then Lukaku. He is more technical, his passing is alot better and he does a job closing down players (Lukaku is incredibly lazy at this). With all the Lukaku hype lately I wouldn't be suprised if his price was alot higher then £50 mil, more like £70-80mil atm.   

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/revealed-everton-chiefs-agreed-secret-10052099.amp

Wouldn't suprise me of this was indeed the case, especially as koeman said that the final decision whether he goes on the summer will be up to lukaku. 

If this is the case hopefully we wouldn't get bent over too much with the fee, although it could be another Suarez '£40m release clause' situation. (+£1) 

I've followed him and been a fan since we first bought him from Anderlecht.  I was disappointed when we sold him off a few years ago and I'd be delighted to have him back.  He's done a lot to improve the weaknesses in his game since he was last with us.  I think ~£60m would be great value for us, considering we originally acquired him for around £13m and sold him for £30m.  Net we'd be spending £43m on one of the best young strikers in the world who'd be ripe and ready to go leading our line.  This is assuming Costa leaves in the summer to China for ridiculous money. 

If Everton decide to fleece us and ask for ~£90m though I think we'd be better off looking at Morata, Belotti or Icardi.  If Lukaku has his heart set on coming here he can then wait out his final year and leave on a free.  If someone else is willing to pay that much, good luck too them.

Honestly, I haven't watched everton enough this season to say whether or not he has improved on some of his weaknesses. Highlights only show me the goals, but the goals have always been there with him

15 hours ago, Sindre said:

Scored twice for Everton today and are now at 21 league goals for the season. In the form he's in at the moment he's got a shot at reaching 30.

Get him in.

Just to add a little more information. He scored both his goals after Everton were 2-0 up in stoppage time when the game was won.

The more I see of him, just want him here. If it was not for Mourinho we still would have him and KDB. As good as he was for us, he made some f**ked up choices too. Anyway, like said before I am happy with Costa leaving if he is not happy here, only if we get Lukaku who is improving all aspects of his game and is still only 23. 5 years younger than Costa and much more of an athlete. I would be really angry to see Lukaku go to another PL team as he will lead their line for years and should of been ours. Weird that everyone is making us favourites to sign him. Unless we sell Costa, not going to happen but just loving watching him atm and hoping he is here next season.

29 minutes ago, ashwin said:

Just to add a little more information. He scored both his goals after Everton were 2-0 up in stoppage time when the game was won.

Also assisted the 2nd with a lovely touch which killed the game. 

18 minutes ago, big blue said:

Also assisted the 2nd with a lovely touch which killed the game. 

Not to mention he had a couple of great shots he got off in very tight spaces.  21 goals and 6 assists in the league so far.  We'll regret it if he ends up at a rival.

getting lukaku hinges on costa staying or leaving. we can't play both. 

4 - Romelu Lukaku is only the 4th player to score 80+ Premier League goals before the age of 24 (Owen, Rooney and Fowler). Reputation.

— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) March 18, 2017

 

20 – Romelu Lukaku is the first @Everton player to score 20+ league goals in a season since @GaryLineker in 1985-86 (30 goals). Prolific.

— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) March 18, 2017

2 hours ago, ashwin said:

Just to add a little more information. He scored both his goals after Everton were 2-0 up in stoppage time when the game was won.

If Costa done the same everyone would be saying how brilliant he is.