Conte to offer childhood Chelsea fan Luke Shaw a way out of his Man Utd nightmare?

9 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Firstly, he's far more than just pace, secondly, look at this clip of Utd's recent game against Burnley, where Pogba makes a mistake and Andre Gray (one of the fastest players in the league) is through.

 

I was watching it at the time and I thought there's no way Shaw is going to catch him ..

 

 

He was good at Southampton but ever since joining United he's had about 6 good games that I can think of.  He's got a good cross on him I'll give him that but his pace is main quality as highlighted in that clip and ever since his second injury he's looked well below average because he can no longer consistently rely on it . 

18 hours ago, Qaz said:

Conte to offer childhood Chelsea fan Luke Shaw a way out of his Man Utd nightmare?

Wow this is out of nowhere. He's underused maybe we can take him. Too good to be wasted on the bench

Wow this is out of nowhere. He's underused maybe we can take him. Too good to be wasted on the bench

I doubt Chelsea will want to match his current 130k. If he wants to come, he will have to take a pay cut.

I honestly wonder if the guys methods have simply gotten stale. I mean calling players out worked at one time but I don't think it does in this day and age. At least long term. He also seems determined to not use his squad as he seemed to do here in his last spell. It's just strange really.

Interesting opinion piece on Jose. Unfortunately I have to say that I agree with it. Mourinho's biggest attribute was his ability to create an extra special bond with his players - he doesn't seem to be able to do that anymore  instead he seems to attack and call them out  

"Mourinho looks sour and glum.. the United manager's aura is crumbling"

http://dailym.ai/2g64Mwi

The thing is the game is ever changing, what once worked may not in future. It's why Wenger isn't what he was, his ability to find these rough diamonds on the cheap is no longer sonething that just Arsenal do. Now Jose is finding methods he once had not working now and I think it frustrates him. You can easily be kept behind in this game, it shows how good Fergie really was because he was always adapting to the game.

We may poke fun at Wenger, but we can't deny he is a good manager. I think Arsenal have had a poor side for many of the seasons, yet he still managed to take them to the top 4. He isn't successful in terms of trophies, and obviously as a fan that's an important metric... but I don't think it's that Wenger's tactical ideas are outdated. It's just the stubbornness on buying proven talent, and we don't know if that's the board or Wenger.

I think people have short memories. Even after Mourinho's first spell with us, he was looking glum and started to criticize/have excuses, and the players did not seem for him. Then he went to Inter for a new challenge and immediately looked invigorated. At the time it was almost a common consensus that he is just not a manager who can take a team for the long-term, as Fergie did. 

23 hours ago, Saru said:

We may poke fun at Wenger, but we can't deny he is a good manager. I think Arsenal have had a poor side for many of the seasons, yet he still managed to take them to the top 4. He isn't successful in terms of trophies, and obviously as a fan that's an important metric... but I don't think it's that Wenger's tactical ideas are outdated. It's just the stubbornness on buying proven talent, and we don't know if that's the board or Wenger.

I think people have short memories. Even after Mourinho's first spell with us, he was looking glum and started to criticize/have excuses, and the players did not seem for him. Then he went to Inter for a new challenge and immediately looked invigorated. At the time it was almost a common consensus that he is just not a manager who can take a team for the long-term, as Fergie did. 

But what's the point in finishing Top Four if you're never looking likely to win the League or the Champions League? They don't give out medals for been consistently decent. I think his ideas clearly don't work aswell as they once did.

47 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

But what's the point in finishing Top Four if you're never looking likely to win the League or the Champions League? They don't give out medals for been consistently decent. I think his ideas clearly don't work aswell as they once did.

They may not give out medals, but the financial rewards for finishing top 4 and guaranteeing CL football are huge.

Don't get me wrong, I've loved mocking Arsenal & Wenger for celebrating finishing 4th and they have certainly under-achieved a lot and we can all laugh at how few trophies they've won. They really should have gone for the league last season and are certainly in with a shout again this season.

Massive game again for Mourinho this weekend. I guess if he was asked what single game he wouldn't want to lose if he could choose, it would be against Wenger. Perhaps for the first time ever, I don't want a Mourinho side to beat a Wenger side - a draw would suit perfectly with plenty of action on & off the pitch!   

49 minutes ago, Nibs said:

They may not give out medals, but the financial rewards for finishing top 4 and guaranteeing CL football are huge.

But at the same times its the football equivalent of blue balls.

Financial benefits are great for the club but if you're supposed to be a top club as Arsenal claim to be then you have to be in the fight for trophies. That's what the fans want to see.

I think United will beat them, Jose doesn't lose to Wenger.

Everything about him looks glum and depressing and you can see it in the way Utd play. Even his press conferences aren't fun anymore. 

13 minutes ago, Ivanov87 said:

Everything about him looks glum and depressing and you can see it in the way Utd play. Even his press conferences aren't fun anymore. 

His press conferences haven't been fun for a long, long time! Since Real Madrid he's never been the same IMO. I think the Barca - Madrid thing took lots out of him because he was never used to being second best for such a long period of time before in his career.

Even in our title winning season the second time round he looked like this the majority of the time.

 

On 24/05/2016 at 10:13, RAWK Meltdown said:

Hello everyone, I haven't posted for a while - hope you are all well.

 

I won't lie, I am absolutely made up with this appointment.  Mourinho is the man that should have taken over from Fergie.  He is a winner.  He knows the league and he knows how to win in Europe.  He's not a particularly nice person but neither was Fergie.  He's a c**t but he will be OUT c**t, as they say.

 

We need a winning mentality to be installed in the club again.  We need people to hate us again.  We need to make Old Trafford a fortress again.  Hopefully, Jose will achieve all of these things.

 

I am not so stupid to think that we'll go on and win everything because I don't think that we will.  Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs will all have a say.  Also teams like Leicester and West Ham will want to challenge with the new tv money being thrown around.  The reality is, we need to start thinking about finishing in the top 4 again before trophies.  Although obviously I am made up with our FA Cup win on Saturday, it was a great day.

 

I am so happy.  I've been frustrated with Van Gaal.  I like him as a man but not as a football manager.  His tactics are dated and he treats players exactly the same as he did 20 years ago.  Which isn't feasible in the modern game.

 

Jose fuc*ing Mourinho.  He will help us attract better players for a start and hopefully De Gea will stay.  I think he'll stay for 3 years before heading off for a challenge elsewhere but who knows.  One thing he'll get at United which he didn't get elsewhere is total control.  Our owners don't get involved with footballing matters, they just ask for a list of players and attempt to go out and purchase them.

 

I think Mourinho was the only option and most United fans I know are very excited by the prospect of seeing him in the Old Trafford dugout.

 

Next season is going to be so interesting.

Hahahahahahahahaha. I wonder what he thinks now 

4 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

But what's the point in finishing Top Four if you're never looking likely to win the League or the Champions League? They don't give out medals for been consistently decent. I think his ideas clearly don't work aswell as they once did.

I agree with you. For example in my view Chelsea's two seasons where we won the Prem then came mid table are more successful than Arsenal finishing 2nd and top 4 or whatever... but the point I was trying to make is that I feel it is a bit unfair to call Wenger done as a manager, as I think he does a really good job with the players he has at he club. Very few other managers would of been able to consistently be right up there imo with the same set of players.

The only thing that holds them back is literally the spending of money, and I don't know if it's Wenger responsible for it.

17 minutes ago, Saru said:

I agree with you. For example in my view Chelsea's two seasons where we won the Prem then came mid table are more successful than Arsenal finishing 2nd and top 4 or whatever... but the point I was trying to make is that I feel it is a bit unfair to call Wenger done as a manager, as I think he does a really good job with the players he has at he club. Very few other managers would of been able to consistently be right up there imo with the same set of players.

The only thing that holds them back is literally the spending of money, and I don't know if it's Wenger responsible for it.

I don't think Wenger is done I just think he isn't as good as he once was. His methods in terms of the way he did business were figured out and many followed suit. I just think as a top top level manager his time is probably up.

 Not sure the money thing still applies given how much he's spent on the likes of Sanchez and Ozil in recent years.

Edited November 15, 20169 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

Wenger Is a con artist who has brainwashed the idiotic arsenal fans into accepting mediocrity while paying the biggest ticket prices in football, at the same time as their club being incredibly cash rich. They have been in a great position to win a title in the past years yet they bombed it every time as the pressure built. Yes a par manager unable to get anymore from a squad than their average. But he invented eating pasta and not smoking so is a genius.

On 11/13/2016 at 16:22, JM7 said:

Interesting opinion piece on Jose. Unfortunately I have to say that I agree with it. Mourinho's biggest attribute was his ability to create an extra special bond with his players - he doesn't seem to be able to do that anymore  instead he seems to attack and call them out  

"Mourinho looks sour and glum.. the United manager's aura is crumbling"

http://dailym.ai/2g64Mwi

 

He called out Smalling and Shaw. Right after a win. Seriously, there's no need for that.

55 minutes ago, dkw said:

Wenger Is a con artist who has brainwashed the idiotic arsenal fans into accepting mediocrity while paying the biggest ticket prices in football, at the same time as their club being incredibly cash rich. They have been in a great position to win a title in the past years yet they bombed it every time as the pressure built. Yes a par manager unable to get anymore from a squad than their average. But he invented eating pasta and not smoking so is a genius.

 

Arsenal fans are still too attached to their invincibles

On 11/14/2016 at 06:48, Bobbywoodhogan said:

The thing is the game is ever changing, what once worked may not in future. It's why Wenger isn't what he was, his ability to find these rough diamonds on the cheap is no longer sonething that just Arsenal do. Now Jose is finding methods he once had not working now and I think it frustrates him. You can easily be kept behind in this game, it shows how good Fergie really was because he was always adapting to the game.

Fergie himself had a period were it looked like the game caught up with him, i think roughly about 2005/06 he started realising that and saved himself by adapting to the times. Because all off a sudden things like the hairdryer and treating player's like dogs was starting to backfire (Stam, Beckham, RVN) so he adapted and accepted that the modern players won't respond to that treatment like the players of the 90's and before did, something quite evident in the way he handled Rooney differently to those three. Also he needed to adapt and learn more tactically, early 00's he had some embarrassing episodes in Europe and even against other top teams domestically, he realised that, and from 2007 till his retirement United were competing well in Europe and more tactically savvy in big games.

Jose needs a similar adaption almost transition if he is to save himself as a top manager like SAF did, he is still caught up with the romantic notion of soliders fighting blood, sweat and tears for the cause. He didn't have those type of profile players at Chelsea mark two and United, and it's showing by the way they don't look anywhere near as formidable as Chelsea mark one and Inter (even our title winning season in 2015 we were still a level below 05 and 06 title winners and his Inter team).

From Manchester and got the chance to meet him in Gauchos (steak restaurant) a few weeks ago. Obv after getting over being star struck I went over to say hi. Despite the fact he was with family, i think, he was very warm and generally a very happy chap. Didn't ask for a pic as i felt guilty even approaching him but my point is, he defo gave off a very different vibe than the one i've seen on TV. 

 

(possibly because i was gushing about how much he meant to me, especially growing up during his first tenure at the club)

As soon as they got a goal he removed Mata and decided to settle. 

They were dominating the game so why not just keep doing what what they were doing. 

On 16 November 2016 at 18:59, dkw said:

Wenger Is a con artist who has brainwashed the idiotic arsenal fans into accepting mediocrity while paying the biggest ticket prices in football, at the same time as their club being incredibly cash rich. They have been in a great position to win a title in the past years yet they bombed it every time as the pressure built. Yes a par manager unable to get anymore from a squad than their average. But he invented eating pasta and not smoking so is a genius.

What I love most about Wenger is how his arrogance costs the team. The more fans, press and pundits say Arsenal need a world class forward the more likely he won't buy one haha.

Took Wenger years to buy a keeper and he only got Cech because he fell into his lap and wanted to stay in London, also a terrible decision by Chelsea.

On 14 November 2016 at 07:29, Saru said:

We may poke fun at Wenger, but we can't deny he is a good manager. I think Arsenal have had a poor side for many of the seasons, yet he still managed to take them to the top 4. He isn't successful in terms of trophies, and obviously as a fan that's an important metric... but I don't think it's that Wenger's tactical ideas are outdated. It's just the stubbornness on buying proven talent, and we don't know if that's the board or Wenger.

I think people have short memories. Even after Mourinho's first spell with us, he was looking glum and started to criticize/have excuses, and the players did not seem for him. Then he went to Inter for a new challenge and immediately looked invigorated. At the time it was almost a common consensus that he is just not a manager who can take a team for the long-term, as Fergie did. 

Lack of buying has always been Wenger. No excuses there.

Mourinhos first stint started going downhill when Sheva was put into his lap and when Mourinho actually wanted players for more critical positions we ended up having Ferrari and Essien playing CB at Anfield.