July 14, 20179 yr 14 minutes ago, amART said: @repubblica claims that Milan offered Torino €40m + Niang &Paletta for Belotti yesterday, Torino are asking for €20m more if this is true, then we should be able to get him for 70m I think we still have to pay 88m. Release clause is only for overseas clubs which can mean that any club from Serie A can bid for him depending on what Torino wants
July 14, 20179 yr Just now, MoJames said: Can we send the offer by land? Or we give money to some of the Serie A clubs to buy him then loan him to us
July 14, 20179 yr My biggest issue with bellotti is he looks like a love child of Macaulay Culkin and a bit of James Remar
July 14, 20179 yr 5 minutes ago, Andreas said: AC Milan gonna get him. They are after him. And then there goes another target...
July 14, 20179 yr 2 hours ago, TomCFC85 said: And then there goes another target... I think we are in deep trouble if we don't sign Belotti, while Morata stay at Real Madrid and Sanchez at Arsenal. I really don't want Aubameyang, way to one dimensional for our attack and will struggle when given little space.
July 15, 20179 yr 6 minutes ago, Frawdulant said: £88M for a 30 year old striker, I bloody well hope so. 30? He's 23, if you're referring to Belotti
July 15, 20179 yr the one reason i think belotti won't come here is because he is a young italian, and young italians don't tend to stray from italy.
July 15, 20179 yr 7 hours ago, enigma said: the one reason i think belotti won't come here is because he is a young italian, and young italians don't tend to stray from italy. If you look at the entire 23 man squad that will go to Russia probably only verratti, darmian and a couple more players play outside Italy, mind you I think that's because they haven't had many prolific players recently, you could say England is the same but the reasons no players leave is they won't get the same wages abroad unless with a top tier team which there is only a few that could match PL wages, and no one in England is good enough for those teams in the wages they would want, I think if a new generation of Italian players come up they will have no problem leaving to leagues with higher wages.
July 15, 20179 yr On 14/07/2017 at 19:36, Deino said: I think we still have to pay 88m. Release clause is only for overseas clubs which can mean that any club from Serie A can bid for him depending on what Torino wants That's not how release clauses work. Release clause means if we bid 88m they have to accept. In this case it means they only work for foreign clubs. They could accept a bid of 70m for us if they wanted. They could accept anything.
July 16, 20179 yr 5 hours ago, benjsross said: That's not how release clauses work. Release clause means if we bid 88m they have to accept. In this case it means they only work for foreign clubs. They could accept a bid of 70m for us if they wanted. They could accept anything. They could but that doesn't mean that they would. It's very easy to reject clubs that don't pay the full release clause They know we have a striker problem, they'll hear Italian journalists stories about us bidding 88m, they know we have money. With that info at hand, they'd want to extract the full amount especially this late into the window. They're a midtable side in Italy, they'll be happier with money in the bank.
July 16, 20179 yr 6 minutes ago, Deino said: They could but that doesn't mean that they would. It's very easy to reject clubs that don't pay the full release clause They know we have a striker problem, they'll hear Italian journalists stories about us bidding 88m, they know we have money. With that info at hand, they'd want to extract the full amount especially this late into the window. They're a midtable side in Italy, they'll be happier with money in the bank. The question you should ask is not about Torino wanting to sell but if the board is willing to trigger that 100 million euro transfer release clause. Given that the club is obsessed about net transfer savings and Marina's failures in negotiating big name transfers, I would put money that it will not happen.
July 16, 20179 yr 22 minutes ago, lchk said: The question you should ask is not about Torino wanting to sell but if the board is willing to trigger that 100 million euro transfer release clause. Given that the club is obsessed about net transfer savings and Marina's failures in negotiating big name transfers, I would put money that it will not happen. Yeah, I don't disagree with that notion at all. We are slowly becoming Arsenal in that regard Edited July 16, 20179 yr by Deino
July 16, 20179 yr 10 hours ago, DonAntonio said: If you look at the entire 23 man squad that will go to Russia probably only verratti, darmian and a couple more players play outside Italy, mind you I think that's because they haven't had many prolific players recently, you could say England is the same but the reasons no players leave is they won't get the same wages abroad unless with a top tier team which there is only a few that could match PL wages, and no one in England is good enough for those teams in the wages they would want, I think if a new generation of Italian players come up they will have no problem leaving to leagues with higher wages. the only truly top player from italy playing outside italy is verratti. even over the previous 10-15 years in football the top italian players have almost never signed for another top club in europe. i think of vieri, inzaghi, totti, del piero, gattuso, nesta, cannavaro. is it fair to say italian teams haven't been elite for probably 10 years? pirlo i think was probably the closest to ever leaving when carlo wanted him at chelsea, and he even said himself he was very tempted. i respect their loyalty to the clubs, and more players should be like that, but i guess the whole "mamma's boy" description seems true with a lot of them. Edited July 16, 20179 yr by enigma
July 16, 20179 yr 6 hours ago, Deino said: They could but that doesn't mean that they would. It's very easy to reject clubs that don't pay the full release clause They know we have a striker problem, they'll hear Italian journalists stories about us bidding 88m, they know we have money. With that info at hand, they'd want to extract the full amount especially this late into the window. They're a midtable side in Italy, they'll be happier with money in the bank. That's still irrelevant when comparing selling to Italian sides which is why you brought it up. The reason the clause is just to non Italian clubs is to prevent them selling to them at that price. Any offer they accept from an Italian club they would bite our hands off if we matched. imagine Milan offer £30m for matic and arsenal offer £30m. Who we going to sell to - or will we sell to arsenal because we know Milan could go up 5m.
July 20, 20178 yr I'm really late here as we clearly aren't signing Belotti. But this is a general question about his situation. Does anyone have any idea why his 'foreign club release clause' is £88 million, but Torino are willing to accept much less from a Serie A team? Surely it should be the other way around, what's the advantage of selling him for less to a club that he will be playing for against Torino and most likely scoring goals? I see no logic here.
July 20, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, Batshuayi said: I'm really late here as we clearly aren't signing Belotti. But this is a general question about his situation. Does anyone have any idea why his 'foreign club release clause' is £88 million, but Torino are willing to accept much less from a Serie A team? Surely it should be the other way around, what's the advantage of selling him for less to a club that he will be playing for against Torino and most likely scoring goals? I see no logic here. Mainly because no Italian team has that much cash...even AC Milan have only got cash rich because of their recent Chinese buy out...interestingly FFP rules seem to have suspended for them...a lot of Inter-Italian deals involve cash plus player deals... Edited July 20, 20178 yr by doctorblue
July 20, 20178 yr 34 minutes ago, doctorblue said: Mainly because no Italian team has that much cash...even AC Milan have only got cash rich because of their recent Chinese buy out...interestingly FFP rules seem to have suspended for them...a lot of Inter-Italian deals involve cash plus player deals... They applied for FFP rules to be delayed for 3 windows/seasons iirc. UEFA have this leniency towards teams that have recently been bought by a new owner. Not exactly accurate, needs further digging on this
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