44 minutes ago, Slojo said:

He wasn't that good though, United match he was extremely sloppy, whereas Morata was excellent in that United match. I loved his energy in that match but if we didn't win that game he would have been a scapegoat 100% for all the chances he was missing and giving the ball away in the final 3rd. 

Atletico was probably his best game I've seen from him, Spurs I disagree entirely, we were completely overrun in that game and I still don't know how we managed to win that match. 

Like I said before, you tried to say this a few pages back and people disagreed with you, Morata was good when he first came, we got a good player but he's been off since January, so a good 8 months he's been off now including the summer break. 

If I'm a hypocrite over this then what does that make everyone else? Most people want Morata to stay, and most people want Bakayoko to leave. They aren't comparable in this situation. 

As predicted you'd say he wasn't even that good. Go back and look in the Bakayoko thread, when he first came in everyone was saying he looked good and we had upgraded on Matic. I don't see how you can say Bakayoko was sloppy as a negative and then try to protect Morata, probably the sloppiest player we've had alongside Bakayoko. 

Morata's goals covered up a lot of poor performances. As Coco has said, take away his goals and his actual performances weren't eye catching. 

I'm not trying to protect Bakayoko and think he should be given a chance, but there is no reason Morata should. He's done nothing in his entire career to date that shows he is capable of leading the line for a team. 

13 minutes ago, coco said:

You are right, plenty said Morata hasn't had enough time, but then on the Bakayoko thread they said they wanted him gone after one season. You don't need me to tell you how that looks. Yes Morata had a decent first six games, but if you check the Bakayoko thread people were saying similar about him looking good in the very early days, it's just that Morata can pin a few goals to his season, no matter how bad a striker can always have a few in the net to help them look a little better on paper, but a defensive midfielder having a nightmare season has no easy get out like goals, he has to be even more consistent. Over the season just gone i think they both performed to a similar disappointing level, certainly well below what was expected, and very much comparable. 

They're not comparable though, not at all. Bakayoko has been much worse it's not even debatable. This is almost as bad as the Torres comparisons now. 

10 minutes ago, coco said:

 

Funny that as it was Bakayoko's best game too.

I was literally talking about Bakayoko... 

Morata needs to find some Steel and Balls, stop thinking that the defenders are just going to ruffle his hair, pat him on the arse, pick him up and dust him down, say sorry, and basically give him a free rein, he certainly wouldn't wanted to of faced a Keown or Vidic, they'd of eaten him!

48 minutes ago, Slojo said:

They're not comparable though, not at all. Bakayoko has been much worse it's not even debatable. This is almost as bad as the Torres comparisons now. 

I was literally talking about Bakayoko... 

The Torres comparisons are more than fair currently.

As are the Bakayoko comparisons if you look at his overall game and not just assume he was good because he scored some headers at the start of the year.

You saying 'its not even debatable' doesn't magically make it true. 

On 11/08/2018 at 12:13, Giordano_Bruno said:

No, are you for real? All that RM have realised is his quality(or the absence of it). they don't care about future, they don't send on loan just for the prospect. RM as a club lives for the present and the way they threw him away, him: 1) Spanish; 2) from the academy; 3) the famous player of the fans - shows us how they rated him. 

They didn’t throw him away, he requested to leave. They didn’t want to sell him.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The Torres comparisons are more than fair currently.

As are the Bakayoko comparisons if you look at his overall game and not just assume he was good because he scored some headers at the start of the year.

You saying 'its not even debatable' doesn't magically make it true. 

No they aren't... Look at their goal records, Morata almost has the same league goals as Torres in one season. You're far too reactionary if you think they're on the same level, they just aren't at the moment. 

"He scored some headers" Is that all he did? If that's what you think is all he did then I'm not going to bother wasting my time arguing my point. Apply your own logic to yourself, you saying Morata is just as bad as Torres & Bakayoko doesn't magically make it true either. It's fair to give Morata another season, just like it's fair to write Bakayoko off given how bad he was in his first season here and how much out of his depth he looked in a Chelsea shirt. 

If you think otherwise you do you. 

9 hours ago, Slojo said:

No they aren't... Look at their goal records, Morata almost has the same league goals as Torres in one season. You're far too reactionary if you think they're on the same level, they just aren't at the moment. 

"He scored some headers" Is that all he did? If that's what you think is all he did then I'm not going to bother wasting my time arguing my point. Apply your own logic to yourself, you saying Morata is just as bad as Torres & Bakayoko doesn't magically make it true either. It's fair to give Morata another season, just like it's fair to write Bakayoko off given how bad he was in his first season here and how much out of his depth he looked in a Chelsea shirt. 

If you think otherwise you do you. 

Morata has played 50 games and scored 15 goals thus far in his Chelsea career. So a ratio of 0.30.

Torres played 172 and scored 45 goals. So a ratio of 0.26.

Please tell me again how they aren't comparable pmsl. You're far too biased if you think they aren't on the same level. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Morata has played 50 games and scored 15 goals thus far in his Chelsea career. So a ratio of 0.30.

Torres played 172 and scored 45 goals. So a ratio of 0.26.

Please tell me again how they aren't comparable pmsl. You're far too biased if you think they aren't on the same level. 

Oh give it a rest already. Morata had a good start, got injured and then never got his form back. Why exactly are you so determined to sh*t on the guy? It's been one season ffs. Torres had four years, and we still supported him because he was a blue. Morata hasn't embarrased the club, he just dropped off in a difficult season, but he was still out there trying, and he's clearly trying now as we go into the new season. Cut the guy some fecking slack while he adapts to the new system. 

Just score goals, simple.

 

Wasn't too bad against Huddersfield, i think the new formation and the new system will suit him better. Hopefully he starts banging them in and his confidence will be back in no time.

Regardless If people like him or not he will be with us for the season, clearly Sarri has seen something in him to stick with him and send Bats out on loan. He is a confidence player and unfortunately it doesnt seem to be working out for him, there is definitely promise there as games such as against United at the bridge and Stoke away showcased. I just think mentally he is very weak and nowadays social media is very unforgiving if you are going through a bad phase, he just needs to keep his head down and hope he can get a few goals and kick start his tenure under Sarri. 

1 hour ago, Kentonio said:

Oh give it a rest already. Morata had a good start, got injured and then never got his form back. Why exactly are you so determined to sh*t on the guy? It's been one season ffs. Torres had four years, and we still supported him because he was a blue. Morata hasn't embarrased the club, he just dropped off in a difficult season, but he was still out there trying, and he's clearly trying now as we go into the new season. Cut the guy some fecking slack while he adapts to the new system. 

This is EXACTLY what people say about Torres' career.

At least career was actually prolific at one point of his career.

I'm sorry that facts offend you in regards to him having a Torres-esque goal ratio. 

26 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

This is EXACTLY what people say about Torres' career.

At least career was actually prolific at one point of his career.

I'm sorry that facts offend you in regards to him having a Torres-esque goal ratio. 

Torres had a bad knee injury before we even bought him, and never recovered from it. It cost him his electric bursts of pace, and he never found a way to adapt to playing without it. No-one is suggesting Morata has had a career ruining injury, but there were plenty of rumours that he was brought back too quickly from his injury last year because we simply didn't have another capable striker to fill in. Whether that's true or not, and whether if so it had a bad effect on his recovery last season we simply can't know, but its quite possible.

Either way he looked half the player he did before his injury, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask people to cut him some slack heading into the new season. Especially as he's pretty clearly a confidence player, who needs lifting up not putting down.

3 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Torres had a bad knee injury before we even bought him, and never recovered from it. It cost him his electric bursts of pace, and he never found a way to adapt to playing without it. No-one is suggesting Morata has had a career ruining injury, but there were plenty of rumours that he was brought back too quickly from his injury last year because we simply didn't have another capable striker to fill in. Whether that's true or not, and whether if so it had a bad effect on his recovery last season we simply can't know, but its quite possible.

Either way he looked half the player he did before his injury, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask people to cut him some slack heading into the new season. Especially as he's pretty clearly a confidence player, who needs lifting up not putting down.

Exactly support the team, not to mention that I can't believe that this discussion keeps going on and on and on.

Unfortunately, the Torres comparisons will become more valid with every game that passes without a goal. 

I am sort of in the middle a bit on this. 

The goals/games ratio stats comparison is harsh on Morata really, given he has only had one season. 

To keep it fair, you should compare an equal snapshot in time, not try and project what Morata is going to do for the next 3 seasons based on what he did in his first season. If we did in fact compare their first 50 appearances I am confident that Morata would come out on top. Torres scored 1 goal for us the season he signed (in January). 

Also, lets remember that Drogba scored 16 goals in his first season. 

I thought he looked good initially for us. He had a presence, great movement, and was scoring goals. 

The goal he scored away at Stoke made me think we had signed the player that we thought we were signing when we signed Torres. 

But he can't be dining out on that goal 12 months down the line. He needs to get scoring goals, or it is going to be very hard to keep selecting him. 

He is the obvious weak link in our team right now, there is no doubt about that. 

I have already said in this thread I struggle to see him turning it around, but I really hope he does. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

Torres had a bad knee injury before we even bought him, and never recovered from it. It cost him his electric bursts of pace, and he never found a way to adapt to playing without it. No-one is suggesting Morata has had a career ruining injury, but there were plenty of rumours that he was brought back too quickly from his injury last year because we simply didn't have another capable striker to fill in. Whether that's true or not, and whether if so it had a bad effect on his recovery last season we simply can't know, but its quite possible.

Either way he looked half the player he did before his injury, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask people to cut him some slack heading into the new season. Especially as he's pretty clearly a confidence player, who needs lifting up not putting down.

Right was his dip in form confidence from missing sitters or was it his back injury. Perhaps we should stop making excuses for him and realise he just isn't a good finisher with anything other than his head. 

Agree with the bolded bit and will happily chant his name at the Bridge and when following him around the country, doesn't mean i can't come on here and say he's sh*t. I highly doubt Morata sits on The Shed End in his spare time reading his thread. 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I highly doubt Morata sits on The Shed End in his spare time reading his thread. ?

He must be on here with multiple accounts by the look of it.

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Right was his dip in form confidence from missing sitters or was it his back injury. Perhaps we should stop making excuses for him and realise he just isn't a good finisher with anything other than his head. 

Agree with the bolded bit and will happily chant his name at the Bridge and when following him around the country, doesn't mean i can't come on here and say he's sh*t. I highly doubt Morata sits on The Shed End in his spare time reading his thread. 

It could very easily be a combination of the two. If he came back not ready, couldn't get back into his previous form, and then his confidence nose-dived as a result. He does use his head a lot, but he also had a couple of really nice goals with his feet in that nice run, so I think its way too early to say he can only use his head. Let's just wait and see.

As for posting here, sure I'm not suggesting he's a Shed End user, but in this age of social media once the fans online start digging at players it can easily become something they do notice once enough people start doing it. Honestly it also makes us look pretty sh*t, when rival supporters see us writing off our own players after 5 minutes. With Bakayoko it was kind of unavoidable because he was horrifically terrible, but Morata hasn't done nearly enough to be called sh*t yet.

30 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

It could very easily be a combination of the two. If he came back not ready, couldn't get back into his previous form, and then his confidence nose-dived as a result. He does use his head a lot, but he also had a couple of really nice goals with his feet in that nice run, so I think its way too early to say he can only use his head. Let's just wait and see.

As for posting here, sure I'm not suggesting he's a Shed End user, but in this age of social media once the fans online start digging at players it can easily become something they do notice once enough people start doing it. Honestly it also makes us look pretty sh*t, when rival supporters see us writing off our own players after 5 minutes. With Bakayoko it was kind of unavoidable because he was horrifically terrible, but Morata hasn't done nearly enough to be called sh*t yet.

Its not been 5 minutes, its been more than a season. 50+ games. 

Bakayoko also came back from an injury early and also has good games early on. Why are these excuses only acceptable for Morata?

Not gonna lie, it would be great to have a striker who can score 20+ goals a season consistently. When we have a striker scoring that amount of goals, we would win the league I believe. Only Costa has managed to score that amount since Roman took over, right? Or am I wrong? I always thought our strikers our strikers would score a decent amount of goals, but most of our other goals would come from midfield and wingers. 

12 minutes ago, enigma said:

Not gonna lie, it would be great to have a striker who can score 20+ goals a season consistently. When we have a striker scoring that amount of goals, we would win the league I believe. Only Costa has managed to score that amount since Roman took over, right? Or am I wrong? I always thought our strikers our strikers would score a decent amount of goals, but most of our other goals would come from midfield and wingers. 

Here's what I found... League Goals

Just now, Skinnedy said:

Here's what I found... League Goals

Didn't realise drogba scored 28 goals in 9/10. Is that legit? 

5 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

Here's what I found... League Goals

My god we were spoiled with Lampard. Never will there be a goal scoring midfielder like him again. 

27 minutes ago, enigma said:

Didn't realise drogba scored 28 goals in 9/10. Is that legit? 

This card actually has him with 29 and 39 in all Comps

http://www.espnfc.com/player/18727/didier-drogba?season=2009

Season Totals		48	4	44	11	222	89	90	73	8	1
TEAM	COMP	GS	SB	G	A	SH	SG	FC	FS	YC	RC
Chelsea	WFC	2	0	2	0	3	3	3	2	0	0
Chelsea	Comm	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ivory Coast	WCQ	5	1	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Chelsea	FAC	4	0	3	1	14	9	8	3	0	0
Chelsea	CC	0	2	2	0	1	1	5	3	0	0
Chelsea	UCL	5	0	3	0	26	9	11	10	1	1
Chelsea	Prem	31	1	29	10	178	67	63	55	7	0

I really can't work out what Morata's problem is at the moment. He was awful at the end of last season, this pre-season and didn't have a good game against Huddersfield.

I'm looking for signs that he might get a goal soon but is it me or is he not getting the chances? From memory he had one half chance against Huddersfield. That really isn't enough service.

Perhaps if he gets more chances he can regain his confidence.