15 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

couldn't even get in on target lmao

11 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

What part of me saying that if he puts it on target that it gets blocked you didn't understand? Havertz should have scored a total free header, deal with it.

No need to get aggressive mate. He should have scored from there, great chance, he didn’t, not too bothered because overall our team made a superb effort and almost made it. Can’t ask for more from the starters. The subs were a bit subpar but sh*t happens.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

So you didn't actually watch the game didn't you? LOL

1) Had enough time to control the ball after Ziyech's try. His body is in good position to take a shoot, his overall position in front of goal is comfort enough to create something.

2) Had enough time to shoot, even with Alaba's slide. He had an advantage on him and was under pressure against one player only. If his shot was direct to the right side of the goal, then Alaba's chances to win the ball in a slide are none. 

I think you don't get my idea, I'm not saying we have lost because of Jorginho. All I'm saying is he missed a sitter and I do expect from to do something better than a weak shot. Especially when he came on in extra time and has fresh legs to play. It can happen to everyone, but in these games you have to be there in every action.

Just now, RMH said:

No need to get aggressive mate. He should have scored from there, great chance, he didn’t, not too bothered because overall our team made a superb effort and almost made it. Can’t ask for more from the starters. The subs were a bit subpar but sh*t happens.

Even if his shot with his weaker foot was on target, it would have been blocked and thus the answer is that Jorginho couldn't score that time. So you repeating the same doesn't really create another reality.

There’s still people who think there isn’t an agenda against Jorginho. Let me guess, Declan Rice tees that up and volleys it through the net?

Edited April 13, 20223 yr by timetowaste

36 minutes ago, RMH said:

Yes

I did not. Jorgi cannot shoot at all.

Just now, IliyaKrostin said:

1) Had enough time to control the ball after Ziyech's try. His body is in good position to take a shoot, his overall position in front of goal is comfort enough to create something.

2) Had enough time to shoot, even with Alaba's slide. He had an advantage on him and was under pressure against one player only. If his shot was direct to the right side of the goal, then Alaba's chances to win the ball in a slide are none. 

I think you don't get my idea, I'm not saying we have lost because of Jorginho. All I'm saying is he missed a sitter and I do expect from to do something better than a weak shot. Especially when he came on in extra time and has fresh legs to play. It can happen to everyone, but in these games you have to be there in every action.

I watched the match so I managed to see Ziyech taking a shot from outside the box and the image that you posted doesn't actually describe what happen there because as Jorginho is taking the shot the sliding tackle is effectively blocking the path to the goal. I saw that the sliding tackle was right there as he took the shot and if it had gone on target that sliding tackle was right on point. So factually no, Jorginho didn't have the time to actually score from that ball that by accident came to him, not even sure why would you try to make that particular situation as if it was a huge chance for us when it was actually just random.

I can put up a picture of Havertz not having anyone around him in a radius of at least 2 meters and a perfect ball coming his way, fact is for that chance there was nobody there to stop Havertz to score, while if Jorginho had put his shot on target it would have been blocked. So I know why I rank the chance that Havertz had a real clear-cut chance and not the shot Jorginho took.

40 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

couldn't even get in on target lmao

You jumped to Pulisic’s defence and slated Jorginho? Bizarre.

Jorginho is a deep lying midfielder, Pulisic is an attacker. He missed two chances and to be honest he made our attack ineffective. He came on against Southampton, suddenly we offered no threat in attack, the same happened last night.

Pulisic isn’t good enough for Chelsea.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

I watched the match so I managed to see Ziyech taking a shot from outside the box and the image that you posted doesn't actually describe what happen there because as Jorginho is taking the shot the sliding tackle is effectively blocking the path to the goal. I saw that the sliding tackle was right there as he took the shot and if it had gone on target that sliding tackle was right on point. So factually no, Jorginho didn't have the time to actually score from that ball that by accident came to him, not even sure why would you try to make that particular situation as if it was a huge chance for us when it was actually just random.

I can put up a picture of Havertz not having anyone around him in a radius of at least 2 meters and a perfect ball coming his way, fact is for that chance there was nobody there to stop Havertz to score, while if Jorginho had put his shot on target it would have been blocked. So I know why I rank the chance that Havertz had a real clear-cut chance and not the shot Jorginho took.

Havertz had a big miss as well, nobody says he hadn't.

It doesn't matter how Jorginho received the ball, the matter is that he had the an opportunity to create something instead of missing a sitter. The only player who put pressure on him at that moment was Alaba who had made the slide as well. I do believe that he could play much better, that's it. 

 

6 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

You jumped to Pulisic’s defence and slated Jorginho? Bizarre.

Jorginho is a deep lying midfielder, Pulisic is an attacker. He missed two chances and to be honest he made our attack ineffective. He came on against Southampton, suddenly we offered no threat in attack, the same happened last night.

Pulisic isn’t good enough for Chelsea.

Pointing out the hypocritical nature of Chelsea fans with further hypocritisism brother. Both absolutely sh*te but hilarious to see people defend Jorginho once again.

34 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

There’s still people who think there isn’t an agenda against Jorginho. Let me guess, Declan Rice tees that up and volleys it through the net?

How you managed to bring a West Ham player into this lmao?

 

Edit: In fact, i'd argue there's more of a agenda FOR Jorginho. Can't say a single bad word against him without fan boys jumping to his defence. We looked worse when he came on last night. Hopefully goes back to play in a slow league like Italy that suits him after this year, and Tuchel keeps him benched going forward.

Edited April 13, 20223 yr by RIP Mourinho

34 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Even if his shot with his weaker foot was on target, it would have been blocked and thus the answer is that Jorginho couldn't score that time. So you repeating the same doesn't really create another reality.

I guess that you think that only you are right regarding Jorginho, not the first time you get so defensive on here. In your parallel world, Jorginho played 90 minutes and scored a hat-trick, in reality he missed a sitter with fresh legs. Others would have missed, surely, but that is besides the point, Jorginho missed a great chance.

34 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I did not. Jorgi cannot shoot at all.

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't expect any of our players to score a 1 v 1 or a shot on goal from 5 metres, but they should not miss those chances as often as they do.

To be fair that was a very high pressure attacking situation in a part of the pitch he is not used to being in, he probably doesn't have the muscle memory to pull it off. Who knows how many times out of 10 he gets it on target but I expect it to be less than other players.

Just now, sonic90 said:

To be fair that was a very high pressure attacking situation in a part of the pitch he is not used to being in, he probably doesn't have the muscle memory to pull it off. Who knows how many times out of 10 he gets it on target but I expect it to be less than other players.

He was getting Ballon D'or shouts, he should at least hit the target.

27 minutes ago, RMH said:

I guess that you think that only you are right regarding Jorginho, not the first time you get so defensive on here. In your parallel world, Jorginho played 90 minutes and scored a hat-trick, in reality he missed a sitter with fresh legs. Others would have missed, surely, but that is besides the point, Jorginho missed a great chance.

I watched the match and I clearly saw even on replay that his shot that went wide was going to be blocked if it was on target so why you want to argue this to begin with?

I openly say that Havertz missed open header was a real wasted chance, similar to how Lukaku missed an wide open header in the first match, is this also something that you want to disagree with?

I only talked about what I watched, while you are the one that lives in some other reality when you said that Jorginho should have easily scored - I commented on the whole sequence as it happened, from the moment Ziyech took a shot, so fact is that wasn't a pass towards Jorginho that was open, it just happen to end up like that and he took the shot with his left foot while a tackle was coming in, which in turn was covering the path towards the goal.

So who's living in a parallel universe, me that's commenting about the match or you that is crying about a "should have-would have" baloney... "Haverts played many more minutes so his miss is totally fine" - What a terrible take.

How about you try to actually address what someone is saying to you instead of inveting bs?

Edited April 13, 20223 yr by Gol15

9 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I watched the match and I clearly saw even on replay that his shot that went wide was going to be blocked if it was on target so why you want to argue this to begin with?

I also watched the match and expected to hit the target, at least. He's within 5 metres of the goal, Alaba is sliding but still not reached him when he shoots, Courtois is quite central on goal, a little less wide and he hits the target. Neither your nor I know what would have happened had he hit the target, so your as right as I am. In reality, he hit it wide and missed a clear chance.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I openly say that Havertz missed open header was a real wasted chance, similar to how Lukaku missed an wide open header in the first match, is this also something that you want to disagree with?

I haven't disagreed with you, he missed a clear header.... after running like a f**king madman for over 100 minutes! Tiredness also plays its role in the game, but yes, he missed a chance. Is this Havertz's thread? No. Why don't you go there and complain about Havertz missing one chance after giving his all for 120 minutes? We are here to discuss Jorginho. By the way, stop using the straw man's argument.

14 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I only talked about what I watched, while you are the one that lives in some other reality when you said that Jorginho should have easily scored - I commented on the whole sequence as it happened, from the moment Ziyech took a shot, so fact is that wasn't a pass towards Jorginho that was open, it just happen to end up like that and he took the shot with his left foot while a tackle was coming in, which in turn was covering the path towards the goal.

So what you watch is the reality and the rest with a different opinion is not. The reality is that he hit a ball wide from 5 metres. The rest is your opinion and mine. And, as you can see in the photo above, the defender was not yet blocking the shot.

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

So who's living in a parallel universe, me that's commenting about the match or you that is crying about a "should have-would have" baloney... "Haverts played many more minutes so his miss is totally fine" - What a terrible take.

You are living in a universe that is not nice mate. The reality is he sent the ball wide from 5 metres or so. Again, being aggressive towards me for expressing my opinion while thinking that your opinion is the only truth. Again, you avoided to read when I said that Jorginho's miss was fine with me, not too bothered about it, but IT WAS A MISS. And diminishing Havertz's effort throughout the match denotes how little you think of the effort that the team made last night.

22 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

How about you try to actually address what someone is saying to you instead of inveting bs?

So you think that not being of your opinion is making BS up? Grow up.

4 minutes ago, RMH said:

I also watched the match and expected to hit the target, at least. He's within 5 metres of the goal, Alaba is sliding but still not reached him when he shoots, Courtois is quite central on goal, a little less wide and he hits the target. Neither your nor I know what would have happened had he hit the target, so your as right as I am. In reality, he hit it wide and missed a clear chance.

You repeating this doesn't make any sense after I told you multiple times that Jorginho's shot if going on target gets blocked by a sliding tackle, so you have no argument here.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

You repeating this doesn't make any sense after I told you multiple times that Jorginho's shot if going on target gets blocked by a sliding tackle, so you have no argument here.

You repeating this doesn’t make it any less of an opinion or the absolute true. You have as much argument as anyone on this.

5 minutes ago, RMH said:

So what you watch is the reality and the rest with a different opinion is not. The reality is that he hit a ball wide from 5 metres. The rest is your opinion and mine. And, as you can see in the photo above, the defender was not yet blocking the shot.

You are living in a universe that is not nice mate. The reality is he sent the ball wide from 5 metres or so. Again, being aggressive towards me for expressing my opinion while thinking that your opinion is the only truth. Again, you avoided to read when I said that Jorginho's miss was fine with me, not too bothered about it, but IT WAS A MISS. And diminishing Havertz's effort throughout the match denotes how little you think of the effort that the team made last night.

So you think that not being of your opinion is making BS up? Grow up.

1. It wasn't from 5 meters.

2. The photo wasn't taken at the moment of the shot but before, I watched the game and I can say with full confidence that if that shot went on target (meaning on the near post closest to Jorginho) that it would have been blocked and if you want I can make a gif and post it that's how certain I am of what I saw.

3. "In your parallel world, Jorginho played 90 minutes and scored a hat-trick, in reality he missed a sitter with fresh legs" - This is you making stuff up, I never said any of this nor did I imply that Jorginho was having some epic game or anything like that, your opinion that Jorginho "missed a sitter" is literally living in an alternative universe when you take in count what actually happened there.

How anyone can defend him not even hitting the target from there is beyond me. He came on and contributed f**k all last night, over hit passes, defending with his usual incompetence and then to cap it all completely missed a great chance. This after playing a huge part in why we were 3-1 down from the first leg. The sooner were rid of him the better, utterly useless.

3 hours ago, dkw said:

over hit passes

He hit every pass but one.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Jorginho deserves so much better than he gets from some of our so called supporters.

Literally a huge part in us being Champions of Europe right now but gets sh*t constantly.

Edited April 13, 20223 yr by Sindre

No matter how you saw it, he just missed a great chance and from a professional footballer you can expect one to hit the target from 8-9meters away. 

He has done good things for us but this was just a miss in a very crucial moment. Honestly i am more bothered by Pulisic for also not even hitting the target. 

1 hour ago, Nevamind said:

No matter how you saw it, he just missed a great chance and from a professional footballer you can expect one to hit the target from 8-9meters away. 

He has done good things for us but this was just a miss in a very crucial moment. Honestly i am more bothered by Pulisic for also not even hitting the target. 

It was a poor shot, that is true.

Now you could argue the importance of him just shooting on target which is what you're saying... If we are to speculate the outcome he would have maybe won us a corner kick at least or maybe it would have been a strange deflection that would have ended as a goal anyway so in that sense he should have been shooting on target no matter what and thus it's a great chance missed. So I can agree with that argument, the importance of just shooting on target. But at the same time it could also have been just a blocked shot and nothing, so it's not like it would have been a certain goal if he had hit it better.

You could argue that he could have seen the tackle coming and avoided it and afterwards taken the shot, so if you want to argue that him being in that position should have resulted in a much better attacking instinct by him, I can agree with that too.

You could also argue that he could have had a better first touch despite Ziyech taking a shot and not passing to him, where Jorginho would set it to his right foot and not his weaker left foot, I can also agree with that.

I just can't agree that it's a matter of how someone sees it, meaning as if it's a matter of an opinion in regards to the shot itself.

Because in regards to him simply scoring from that shot it's a fact that if that same shot was taken a bit better and if it had the trajectory being on target, it would have been blocked by a Real Madrid defender, fully or partially but it would have been blocked. In this angle you can see the ball right after he took the shot, I think it was Alaba that didn't manage to block it, but only due to the shot itself not going on target. Meaning if it had been on target that same shot was getting blocked by Alaba, so that argument isn't a matter of how someone sees it, it's just how it is.

The picture also shows that the distance from where the shot was taken is about 13 meters.

Edited April 13, 20223 yr by Gol15

18 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

It was a poor shot, that is true.

Now you could argue the importance of him just shooting on target which is what you're saying... If we are to speculate the outcome he would have maybe won us a corner kick at least or maybe it would have been a strange deflection that would have ended as a goal anyway so in that sense he should have been shooting on target no matter what and thus it's a great chance missed. So I can agree with that argument, the importance of just shooting on target. But at the same time it could also have been just a blocked shot and nothing, so it's not like it would have been a certain goal if he had hit it better.

You could argue that he could have seen the tackle coming and avoided it and afterwards taken the shot, so if you want to argue that him being in that position should have resulted in a much better attacking instinct by him, I can agree with that too.

You could also argue that he could have had a better first touch despite Ziyech taking a shot and not passing to him, where Jorginho would set it to his right foot and not his weaker left foot, I can also agree with that.

I just can't agree that it's a matter of how someone sees it, meaning as if it's a matter of an opinion in regards to the shot itself.

Because in regards to him simply scoring from that shot it's a fact that if that same shot was taken a bit better and if it had the trajectory being on target, it would have been blocked by a Real Madrid defender, fully or partially but it would have been blocked. In this angle you can see the ball right after he took the shot, I think it was Alaba that didn't manage to block it, but only due to the shot itself not going on target. Meaning if it had been on target that same shot was getting blocked by Alaba, so that argument isn't a matter of how someone sees it, it's just how it is.

The picture also shows that the distance from where the shot was taken is about 13 meters.

More or less the same position Ziyech missed a glorious chance at the end of the first leg, only his defender was behind him.