8 hours ago, RMH said:

I also watched the match and expected to hit the target, at least. He's within 5 metres of the goal, Alaba is sliding but still not reached him when he shoots, Courtois is quite central on goal, a little less wide and he hits the target. Neither your nor I know what would have happened had he hit the target, so your as right as I am. In reality, he hit it wide and missed a clear chance.

I haven't disagreed with you, he missed a clear header.... after running like a f**king madman for over 100 minutes! Tiredness also plays its role in the game, but yes, he missed a chance. Is this Havertz's thread? No. Why don't you go there and complain about Havertz missing one chance after giving his all for 120 minutes? We are here to discuss Jorginho. By the way, stop using the straw man's argument.

So what you watch is the reality and the rest with a different opinion is not. The reality is that he hit a ball wide from 5 metres. The rest is your opinion and mine. And, as you can see in the photo above, the defender was not yet blocking the shot.

You are living in a universe that is not nice mate. The reality is he sent the ball wide from 5 metres or so. Again, being aggressive towards me for expressing my opinion while thinking that your opinion is the only truth. Again, you avoided to read when I said that Jorginho's miss was fine with me, not too bothered about it, but IT WAS A MISS. And diminishing Havertz's effort throughout the match denotes how little you think of the effort that the team made last night.

So you think that not being of your opinion is making BS up? Grow up.

It is pointless arguing with him - He is deluded and keeps arguing non sensical arguments and then changing the goalposts when it is pointed out how much BS he is spouting.

Dont waste your energy.

For what it is worth, you are 100% correct in my eyes.

It is a sorry state of affairs, when a professional football player, who is paid hundreds of thousands of pounds every week, is unable to hit the target, when fresh and playing against tired players, from 5 yards out.

The rest (Mendy kick, lukaku miss, pulisic miss, havertz miss, Kante giving ball away for both goals) is irrelevant in this thread. We are talking about Jorgi, so all the rest is smoke and mirrors. 

Jorgi f**ked us - as did the others mentioned above....

7 hours ago, dkw said:

How anyone can defend him not even hitting the target from there is beyond me. He came on and contributed f**k all last night, over hit passes, defending with his usual incompetence and then to cap it all completely missed a great chance. This after playing a huge part in why we were 3-1 down from the first leg. The sooner were rid of him the better, utterly useless.

spot on

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

More or less the same position Ziyech missed a glorious chance at the end of the first leg, only his defender was behind him.

Yea, that one also went wide. My point is that it's not as simple as to say that if he puts it on target it's a goal, that really wasn't the case.

Just because others missed wide open chances it doesn't mean that every single missed shot was the same, Jorginho took his shot in like 1 second and Alaba was already there to block it had it been on target.

6 hours ago, Sindre said:

He hit every pass but one.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Jorginho deserves so much better than he gets from some of our so called supporters.

Literally a huge part in us being Champions of Europe right now but gets sh*t constantly.

 

Yeah but it's the same as Kante agenda though Sindre.

In the first leg Jorginho did not track Benzema's run into the box for his second headed goal, giving him a free run and header. Is that goal down to Jorginho? 

First leg again. The ball he tried to slide in and cut out but didn't execute it properly and instead passed the ball into Benzema's path for a one on one with Mendy which amazingly was the only real chance he missed over the two legs, and for sure it was the easiest. If he had buried it,  was that Jorginho's fault?

Players will always make mistakes or make the wrong decision in any game. Sometimes they cost you, sometimes they don't. First leg we made more basic errors then we did last night. Last night we probably missed more chances than we did in the first leg. No one mistake, wrong decision or missed chance knocked us out over the two ties. It was a combination of them all IMO and some bad luck at times. What I am sure of though, the performance of the starting XI last night, the whole team to a man, was head and shoulders above the performance we turned out in the home game. We might not have gone through last night, but the way we played, the pace, the closing, the inter-play and movement that is what we are aiming for and Tuchel has said as much in his interviews.

 

Edited April 13, 20224 yr by just

20 minutes ago, just said:

Double post

 

Edited April 13, 20224 yr by just

16 hours ago, RMH said:

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't expect any of our players to score a 1 v 1 or a shot on goal from 5 metres, but they should not miss those chances as often as they do.

Nah if that chances fall on anybody but Jorgi, I expected something but with Jorgi nothing. 

Should Jorginho scored from there ?

Anybody else ? Yes 

Jorgi ? No

We have seen him making 1 million pass by now. We all know jorgi can't strike a ball so unless it is a tap in from 1 yard or penalty, I have 0 confidence that Jorgi would score that chance.

I don't like to criticize jorgi because I like Jorgi. He works hard, have a gamemanship in his game which I always like. The problem comes when his fans start talking about him.

 

25 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Should Jorginho scored from there ?

Anybody else ? Yes 

Jorgi ? No

We have seen him making 1 million pass by now. We all know jorgi can't strike a ball so unless it is a tap in from 1 yard or penalty, I have 0 confidence that Jorgi would score that chance.

I don't like to criticize jorgi because I like Jorgi. He works hard, have a gamemanship in his game which I always like. The problem comes when his fans start talking about him.

 

Now now be fair anybody else? Really?

You would with AC and his ability to mess up countless chances on set pieces?

After his penalty you would fancy Kepa if he came up like Mendy did? Lol

14 hours ago, just said:

 

Yeah but it's the same as Kante agenda though Sindre.

In the first leg Jorginho did not track Benzema's run into the box for his second headed goal, giving him a free run and header. Is that goal down to Jorginho? 

First leg again. The ball he tried to slide in and cut out but didn't execute it properly and instead passed the ball into Benzema's path for a one on one with Mendy which amazingly was the only real chance he missed over the two legs, and for sure it was the easiest. If he had buried it,  was that Jorginho's fault?

Players will always make mistakes or make the wrong decision in any game. Sometimes they cost you, sometimes they don't. First leg we made more basic errors then we did last night. Last night we probably missed more chances than we did in the first leg. No one mistake, wrong decision or missed chance knocked us out over the two ties. It was a combination of them all IMO and some bad luck at times. What I am sure of though, the performance of the starting XI last night, the whole team to a man, was head and shoulders above the performance we turned out in the home game. We might not have gone through last night, but the way we played, the pace, the closing, the inter-play and movement that is what we are aiming for and Tuchel has said as much in his interviews.

 

For what it's worth, I think it goes without saying that our team played much better in the second leg. The gameplan was clear and the players worked hard to catch up from the deficit of the first leg and for the vast majority of the time our plan was working.

The only thing that I would like to add is that it's not just the starting 11 that got the whole idea of how we should play but even the subs really tried to keep the same idea going and that's despite not scoring a goal when we needed it. Ziyech was taking a few shots, Pulisic was running into good areas and taking shots as well and maybe our best chance to score since our last goal was when Jorginho passed to James which then put up a fast cross towards Havertz that in turn found himself totally free inside the box but missed his header.

About Jorginho being at fault for anything from the first leg, the second situation that you mention would have been basically Jorginho's error leading to goal if Benzema had scored it, but not so much the first situation, the only player that could possibly clear the cross that was coming towards Benzema was T.Silva but he was stuck a bit inbetween Vini J. and Benzema and Rudiger was sleeping just like in the extra time of the second leg, after all we played the first leg with 3 centre backs and none even tried to mark their striker.

There was a collective groan on 'Five Live' after Ziyech was down the left and everyone raced towards the box for Ziyech to cross only for Ziyech to go for glory and it was a poor effort.

They said understandable to go for glory early in the match yet with the clock running down was a poor choice. 

22 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Now now be fair anybody else? Really?

You would with AC and his ability to mess up countless chances on set pieces?

After his penalty you would fancy Kepa if he came up like Mendy did? Lol

🤣🤣🤣 I did not consider mendy and kepa but I probably have more confidence in them.

When we got Jorgi I didn't understand why he never speed up his pass, it is always borderline underhit. Then somebody who understand football technique explained to me that he simply cannot strike the ball.

 

Not sure how I’m meant to tell my kids in years to come Jorgi banged it 5 yards wide from this position. Look the the position of his foot in relation to the ball ffs. 
 

p.s. Alaba isn’t making it in time for the block.

42 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not sure how I’m meant to tell my kids in years to come Jorgi banged it 5 yards wide from this position. Look the the position of his foot in relation to the ball ffs. 
 

p.s. Alaba isn’t making it in time for the block.

Fake news.

If that same shot was going on target, Alaba was blocking it, fact.

52 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not sure how I’m meant to tell my kids in years to come Jorgi banged it 5 yards wide from this position. Look the the position of his foot in relation to the ball ffs. 
 

p.s. Alaba isn’t making it in time for the block.

Jorgi's effort a couple of frames on; would have made a good picture for the old 'Spot the Ball' competitions of the 70s and 80s. It's noticeable all the players are looking in the direction righthand side of the goal.

I'd still keep him unless he forces a move. 

I'd like to have him as back up to what ever DM we bring in. His experience, and the fact he isn't going to the world cup so should be well rested, will come in handy next season. 

Should he had hit the target? Probably. But you're being very harsh, looking at a still picture, as if he has all the time in the world, like we do looking at it. The ball came very quickly, he had to control it and shoot straight away on his weaker foot, and he's not exactly known for his attacking prowess at the best of times. It's not what he does in the team.

45 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Should he had hit the target? Probably. But you're being very harsh, looking at a still picture, as if he has all the time in the world, like we do looking at it. The ball came very quickly, he had to control it and shoot straight away on his weaker foot, and he's not exactly known for his attacking prowess at the best of times. It's not what he does in the team.

I have no problem with anyone saying that he should have done better.

I just don't agree that his shot if going on target was going to be a certain goal because technically speaking that same shot he took, if it was going to end up on target it would have been blocked by Alaba and anyone that watched the game and saw the replay would have seen that this was the case.

It's just the nature of the shot itself, an image doesn't show that Alaba's foot was at a good spot at the moment the ball actually started its trajectory, the only reason why Alaba didn't block that shot was because it was going wide and yes he did shoot as soon as he could. On the previous page I posted this picture and here you can clearly see that the shot which went wide just passed Alaba's foot, naturally if that same shot had a better curve which was needed in order for it to be on target since he's shooting with the inside of his left foot, it would have been blocked.

You can even see from the video if you put it on 0.25 speed just how on point the tackle of Alaba was because you can see just how far wide the shot went.

So whoever claims that it was a simple tap-in that just needed to be on target from 5 yards = 0 knowledge about the game.
It was from 15 yards first of all which you can clearly see from all of the evidence provided and if it had the proper trajectory it was getting blocked by Alaba. These are the facts, anything that denies this is just agenda.

Edited April 15, 20224 yr by Gol15

Had it been on his right foot I believe he scores, however is left foot is a standing foot only and he took then old swinger at it and we saw the result.

Havertz, Lukaku, Ziyech all blew better chances over the tie.

Also worth mentioning, and no one else has, that Tibo save at 0-3, he was already moving to his left as Havertz was heading the ball, he read it and that made the save possible. I believe our keeper just stood still on both Real goals. Had he gambled too he may have saved the first, maybe the second too.

Yes, Mendy was rooted to the spot he was in for both goals.  He does that a lot, especially on pens.

29 minutes ago, Phillip said:

Yes, Mendy was rooted to the spot he was in for both goals.  He does that a lot, especially on pens.

His reading of the game is a step down from the top level.

Honestly would not surprise me in a couple of years if the money men decide to buy an Oblek and make Mendy a number 2.

That’s where Cech was the best, his anticipation in being at the right place at the right time. 

2 hours ago, Phillip said:

Yes, Mendy was rooted to the spot he was in for both goals.  He does that a lot, especially on pens.

I was thinking the other week, he’s Mendy ever saved a penalty for us?

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

I was thinking the other week, he’s Mendy ever saved a penalty for us?

Yes, at City last season when he stood still (as normal) and Aguero chipped it down the middle.

Funny thing is with Kepa in goal we may well get past Real. Would he have saved the first two goals at the Bridge or the one in regular time in Spain? I highly doubt it. But would have he made the error Mendy did with his feet? Not in my opinion. 

Edited April 15, 20224 yr by axman2526

As much as Iike Jorginho i think its time we move on. It has being mentioned a few times that he misses Italy and his football is suited perfectly for Seria A. It would be the last opportunity too to get a decent fee for him where we can use it to strengthen with a younger more mobile midfielder. 

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Yes, at City last season when he stood still (as normal) and Aguero chipped it down the middle.

Funny thing is with Kepa in goal we may well get past Real. Would he have saved the first two goals at the Bridge or the one in regular time in Spain? I highly doubt it. But would have he made the error Mendy did with his feet? Not in my opinion. 

Mendy is much better with his feet conpare to kepa. It is not even close