14 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Tbf it's valid, a lot of players do need to move on, I really don't want to see Kepa, Emerson, Christensen, Rudiger, Michy here next season season for starters, and I'll be very surprised if Jorginho is here next season. Pedro is off, Willian also, and if we do get Havertz, where does Ross Barkley fit into it? It's likely we sell him off. 

You could even make a case of Alonso being sold but I can't see that happening, I doubt we'll get two new LB's in, Alonso still has his uses. 

I would suggest he fits in at places like Grimbsy away in the FA Cup or perhaps Cardiff away in the league Cup and perhaps at home against Fulham and then is always the issue when someone like Haverts gets injured you need a squad player who is not going to throw his toys out of the pram sitting for large parts of the season on the bench. That is why I think we will probably keep Barkley. 

3 hours ago, dkw said:

It never happens does it, this kind of thing is reported for clubs but it just never actually happens. there will be 3 or 4 leave at most, maybe 1 or 2 more on loan and thats being massively optimistic.

Surprised you forgot the summer of 2003 when we bought 13 players for £110 million, although that was exceptional circumstances, you could say we are in a similar state of exception now after the embargo. The last prem team under Bates compared to the first prem team under Roman had 6 changes irrc.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

It's not regular but it does happen, Inter Milan since Conte's arrival a recent example.

It won't happen this summer for us because above all else we simply don't have the time, but a full summer with the board working overtime it would have been doable.

It wont happen this summer because there simply isnt a market for it, the majority of clubs dont have the money to go into the transfer market.

There are 6 clubs in every big league that will probably spend €20-50m each. If those leagues are England, Spain, Germany, France and Italy that would mean approx 30 teams who will spend good money on players. This is just my estimate but I think this well could be reality. We have some very talented deadwood like Bats, Barkley, Jorginho etc. So I am sure we can offload a few of them with okay money. I feel that covid19 reduction is bloated too much. Some good deals have already gone through so far.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

There are 6 clubs in every big league that will probably spend €20-50m each. If those leagues are England, Spain, Germany, France and Italy that would mean approx 30 teams who will spend good money on players. This is just my estimate but I think this well could be reality. We have some very talented deadwood like Bats, Barkley, Jorginho etc. So I am sure we can offload a few of them with okay money. I feel that covid19 reduction is bloated too much. Some good deals have already gone through so far.

Your completely ignoring the high wages our players are on?

Just now, dkw said:

Your completely ignoring the high wages our players are on?

I am? Didn't know that. I know our lads are on high wages but they are not on huge wages like Alexis Sanchez.

I feel we are back to 'Chelsea normal' after this transfer window. It will be remembered as the season when Frank blooded youth and a couple of boys made the grade.

Mount and Reece seem to be the ones that are the quality we accept. Everyone else is more or less behind someone or looking for a loan.

Werner is in front of Tammy
Ziyech in front of CHO
Pulisic in front of CHO
Havertz(if it happens) in front of Ruben
Havertz in front of Billy Gilmour
And so on.

This is not meant to be a negative post just a realization of the situation. If we can sign, we will sign.

I want us to compete against the likes of City, Liverpool, Bayern, Barcelona and Real Madrid. That means we need to purchase big money players. Bring through all the youth that can handle it. If it is one player in 5 years so be it... Just to conclude my previous post.

To comment on this current window I feel we can improve our stats significantly with a new Keeper like Onana and a left back like Reguilon.

Havertz is in the bag if nothing major happens. I have trust towards some of the guys reporting it.

Get rid of deadwood and we are set.

I think we need to be realistic and gun for CL places and improve every stat we have produced this term. The important ones naturally (points, goals, conceded, wins, losses)

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I feel we are back to 'Chelsea normal' after this transfer window. It will be remembered as the season when Frank blooded youth and a couple of boys made the grade.

Mount and Reece seem to be the ones that are the quality we accept. Everyone else is more or less behind someone or looking for a loan.

Werner is in front of Tammy
Ziyech in front of CHO
Pulisic in front of CHO
Havertz(if it happens) in front of Ruben
Havertz in front of Billy Gilmour
And so on.

This is not meant to be a negative post just a realization of the situation. If we can sign, we will sign.

I think this is a good thing for the youth team players the really good ones will kick on playing with better players and the ones that don’t will be loaned or sold. 

For years it seemed we were trying to find the next Messi coming through instead of using the youth team to fill the squad and buying the best players available. It seems like the club is hopefully realising  after that  disaster of a transfer window a few years ago. 

That summer chalobah was sold for 7 million and we purchased drinkwater and Baka for 70-80 million. If we had of kept chalobah as back up and signed a world class player with that money we would be in a far better position. 

Since 14/15 season we have spent around 80 million on left backs a position we will need to improve again this season. We have also sold Bertrand and van Aanholt. Are these two players world class no but they would have been solid squad team players which would have allowed the club to purchase a world class left back with the money. 

hopefully with frank and big Pete now at the club they will first look to the youth before going into the market. 
 

 

 

In reality we never had this quality coming through. Mount, Reece, Ruben, CHO and Tammy are actually considered high potential players outside Chelsea as well. Their inclusion in the squad just accelerated through the ban and very much with Frank and the coaches.

If Roman says we have to win the league Frank has no alternatives. He would just have to buy all the quality. This happened with Conte, Sarri, Jose and the rest.

It looks like we are buying now very much with the title in sight. Probably Frank has time to finish 4th next term but after that the screw will be tight. No excuses.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1LWr4YfileNC5xfCTZi8IH?si=C7PY1_hdQa2OJCyQa5IHMA

Fabritzio Romano as a guest in this podcast. He pretty much confirms everything we are talking about here. A good listen. Romano is very reliable. I watched a documentary on him and he shows there how he finds the info.

Kepa replaced , new left back and Havertz to join.

Congrats Frank!

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

 

 

Congrats Frank!

 

If I had to rank them:

1. Chris Wilder

2. Jurgen Klopp

3. Frank Lampard

4. Rodgers

To be honest I’m surprised Rodgers is in, after a car crash of a ending to the season. 
 

Surely Wolves manager deserve a shout.

5 hours ago, evissy said:

 

 

Congrats Frank!

 

Klopp - Built a world class team. When he first came, the bin dippers were on the way down and was a team filled with poor players. VAR helped them a lot but credit is where credit is due

Wilder - Amazing result and performances from an underdog

Frank - Built a decent team despite our problems. Cup finals and 4th is a very good job.

Rodgers - some of the Barclays nominator/scout wherever must have been sniffing glue. Solskjaer should be in for a shout

Should be Wilder without a doubt. I’d put my house on it being Klopp. 

51 minutes ago, Deino said:

Klopp - Built a world class team. When he first came, the bin dippers were on the way down and was a team filled with poor players. VAR helped them a lot but credit is where credit is due

Wilder - Amazing result and performances from an underdog

Frank - Built a decent team despite our problems. Cup finals and 4th is a very good job.

Rodgers - some of the Barclays nominator/scout wherever must have been sniffing glue. Solskjaer should be in for a shout

Don't agree with the suggestion OGS should be in with a shout

Utd have spent almost 200 million in the last year and finished with the exact same points total as the season before. They've not really made much progress under OGS despite spending vast sums of money.

He's done well in bringing some stability and giving chances to some of the younger players but you'd expect big improvement if you've spent 200 million on new players

They finished above on goal difference despite us losing our best player and being unable to sign anyone

 

 

2 hours ago, Sparkz said:

Don't agree with the suggestion OGS should be in with a shout

Utd have spent almost 200 million in the last year and finished with the exact same points total as the season before. They've not really made much progress under OGS despite spending vast sums of money.

He's done well in bringing some stability and giving chances to some of the younger players but you'd expect big improvement if you've spent 200 million on new players

They finished above on goal difference despite us losing our best player and being unable to sign anyone

 

 

Exactly, can you imagine us being on the same level as United after spending 200m? No.

Shows what a bunch of clowns United board are, especially Ed Woodward.

How is Rodgers there, he ballsed it right up. 

Wolves manager shouild be in the 4.

Yeah Nuno should be in there instead of Rodgers, Leicester started nose diving halfway through the season. Wolves had it harder having to play Thursday football as well.

23 hours ago, Deino said:

Klopp - Built a world class team. When he first came, the bin dippers were on the way down and was a team filled with poor players. VAR helped them a lot but credit is where credit is due

Wilder - Amazing result and performances from an underdog

Frank - Built a decent team despite our problems. Cup finals and 4th is a very good job.

Rodgers - some of the Barclays nominator/scout wherever must have been sniffing glue. Solskjaer should be in for a shout

What for spending 200 million and scraping top 4 in the last game of the season? Bruno Fernandes saved his job, United have had the most fortune with referees all season. 

Rodgers had Maddison injured which greatly effected their chances of getting top 4 in the restart, Rodgers did a great job with Leicester despite falling out of the race. In no way did Ole do a better job than Rodgers. 

12 minutes ago, Slojo said:

What for spending 200 million and scraping top 4 in the last game of the season? Bruno Fernandes saved his job, United have had the most fortune with referees all season. 

Rodgers had Maddison injured which greatly effected their chances of getting top 4 in the restart, Rodgers did a great job with Leicester despite falling out of the race. In no way did Ole do a better job than Rodgers. 

Agree to disagree then. They have had assistance but you have to give credit whenever someone has an unbeaten streak in the Prem.

The opposite is true as well, despite losing some of the players, losing a huge points advantage is not good enough to squeak into a nomination for Manager of the Year

23 hours ago, Sparkz said:

Don't agree with the suggestion OGS should be in with a shout

Utd have spent almost 200 million in the last year and finished with the exact same points total as the season before. They've not really made much progress under OGS despite spending vast sums of money.

He's done well in bringing some stability and giving chances to some of the younger players but you'd expect big improvement if you've spent 200 million on new players

They finished above on goal difference despite us losing our best player and being unable to sign anyone

 

 

Agree to disagree then.

I judge them on their team's performances. Prior to the restart they were midtable then pulled through by the end of the season. That takes guts.

To judge footballing teams based on the amount of transfers is something I don't agree with. It's not like we chose not to buy anyone but that we couldn't because of our own mistake. 

Juventus looking to replace Sarri already, makes you think it’s a good job he left.

I’ve never liked his football, it was really dull and I much prefer Lampard’s style, even though the defending is awful.

40 minutes ago, Deino said:

Agree to disagree then. They have had assistance but you have to give credit whenever someone has an unbeaten streak in the Prem.

The opposite is true as well, despite losing some of the players, losing a huge points advantage is not good enough to squeak into a nomination for Manager of the Year

United should never have been in a position for scraping top 4 in the first place. They've spent nearly 1 billion since Ferguson retired. They have very well established fast paced players there, granted a lot of flops, every team has a good streak, we had ours earlier in the season and managed to stay in top 4 throughout all of it, United had theirs very late thanks to a late investment in Bruno and numerous penalty decisions. 

At least with Rodgers, he exceeded expectations, Leicester shouldn't have been in the top 4 in the first place. I can see why Rodgers is in the calling, Ole should be nowhere near it though, completely different circumstances. 

Edited August 8, 20205 yr by Slojo