Probably many people here are familiar with the mentioned phrase.

How serious is it?

Can it even be considered as a serious statement?

Are the people who came up with it atheists?

This kind of words and vocabulary are trait of every single fanbase around the world. You can't be annoyed by that. 

It's a metaphor that's all.

Lampard is God ! ....is another.

5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Probably many people here are familiar with the mentioned phrase.

How serious is it?

Can it even be considered as a serious statement?

Are the people who came up with it atheists?

I'm assuming you aren't English? 

In England, we don't take religion very seriously. Most people are agnostic or atheist. Other than Chelsea fans, who follow their lord Frank lampard and his disciples, Mount, RLC and Kante wherever they shall be.

To be fair on match days I tell my boss I can’t work because I have to go to church...

48 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'm assuming you aren't English? 

In England, we don't take religion very seriously. Most people are agnostic or atheist. Other than Chelsea fans, who follow their lord Frank lampard and his disciples, Mount, RLC and Kante wherever they shall be.

No, I'm not English you're right about that. It's obvious to me that in general, the majority of the western world doesn't take religion very seriously nowadays (when I say religion I mean Christianity).
But once upon a time, Britain did take it seriously and from what I have learned, the values of Christianity played a major role in London becoming a great city and I have much respect and admiration for some people from Britain of the past and present that do believe in God. 

But regardless of what I think about that subject, many other teams have the same slogan for their teams or something similar. Most notable to me is Man United that has the same thing going on.
I have no knowledge about who started first and who copied who but across Europe a flag of the fans represent a certain fan group and that is considered a serious thing. For example if a group steals a flag from another one (I'm saying a fan group since I don't know how sensitive it is to say firm or mention hooliganism) that group is erased from existance (I do know that it's different in the Premier league today compared to 30 years ago or more and maybe not comparable to other leagues in Europe)...

So are our fans a real group like others that exist and they take that banner even to some away games or is that particular banner not as serious?

49 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

No, I'm not English you're right about that. It's obvious to me that in general, the majority of the western world doesn't take religion very seriously nowadays (when I say religion I mean Christianity).
But once upon a time, Britain did take it seriously and from what I have learned, the values of Christianity played a major role in London becoming a great city and I have much respect and admiration for some people from Britain of the past and present that do believe in God. 

But regardless of what I think about that subject, many other teams have the same slogan for their teams or something similar. Most notable to me is Man United that has the same thing going on.
I have no knowledge about who started first and who copied who but across Europe a flag of the fans represent a certain fan group and that is considered a serious thing. For example if a group steals a flag from another one (I'm saying a fan group since I don't know how sensitive it is to say firm or mention hooliganism) that group is erased from existance (I do know that it's different in the Premier league today compared to 30 years ago or more and maybe not comparable to other leagues in Europe)...

So are our fans a real group like others that exist and they take that banner even to some away games or is that particular banner not as serious?

We try not to take anything too seriously in Britain. Otherwise you end up angry all the time. 

English football fans aren't like those on the continent. Where it is much more organised into different ultras / dedicated fans. Here, that element has been broadly stamped out and the fans just go along and sing songs and that's pretty much it. There aren't things like banners (if there ever were in England) or rival fan groups anymore. 

 

I wouldn't say Christianity had any part to play in London becoming a great city. I would actually say the absence of it. London has been for a very long time an open city that welcomes all backgrounds.

It’s important to remember that Stamford Bridge is the Cathedral of football and Super Frank is its Arch Bishop.

Maybe there is a shift with religion in England. I can’t remember the last time I went to a church wedding! Seems everyone likes these venues where you marry eat and drink all in the same place!

We all pray thou, pray for a win and Spuds defeat 

Our Frank in Heaven

Lampard be thy name.

Thy Kingdom Come

Spurs will get done,

On earth as it is in heaven.

Amen

 

11 hours ago, The Swan said:

It’s important to remember that Stamford Bridge is the Cathedral of football and Super Frank is its Arch Bishop.

Exactly... so we should all stop bashing the bishop 

 

On 21/08/2019 at 04:27, bisright1 said:

We try not to take anything too seriously in Britain. Otherwise you end up angry all the time. 

English football fans aren't like those on the continent. Where it is much more organised into different ultras / dedicated fans. Here, that element has been broadly stamped out and the fans just go along and sing songs and that's pretty much it. There aren't things like banners (if there ever were in England) or rival fan groups anymore. 

 

I wouldn't say Christianity had any part to play in London becoming a great city. I would actually say the absence of it. London has been for a very long time an open city that welcomes all backgrounds.

If you ask me it's very hard not to take anything too seriously but not taking the ultras culture seriously is a very wise idea!

I would say that when it was at its peak of absence it was the worst. It is then when the Christian communities, rich and middle class on their own initiatives played a huge role in building hospitals, schools and other services but also helping in solving a big problem at the time which was prostitution for example. Without that concept of charity I don't know how it would have developed the way it did. Even the current mayor of London had hinted some years back that he wasn't happy about rich people leaving London because of Brexit because those kind of people were once generous to London and influenced its development, meaning he also pointed to those Christian communities of the past. And lets not forget someone like Florence Nightingale that helped not only London but basically the whole world.
The simple notion that so many great people of the past wanted to learn about the world and how nature works because they believed in God can't be ignored, the view of wanting to learn more about the natural laws because then they would learn more about the natural law giver was one of the main motivations for a lot of the scientists.

You could look at it as Stamford Bridge being a place of worship and the fans wishing to come every week 

15 hours ago, Gol15 said:

If you ask me it's very hard not to take anything too seriously but not taking the ultras culture seriously is a very wise idea!

I would say that when it was at its peak of absence it was the worst. It is then when the Christian communities, rich and middle class on their own initiatives played a huge role in building hospitals, schools and other services but also helping in solving a big problem at the time which was prostitution for example. Without that concept of charity I don't know how it would have developed the way it did. Even the current mayor of London had hinted some years back that he wasn't happy about rich people leaving London because of Brexit because those kind of people were once generous to London and influenced its development, meaning he also pointed to those Christian communities of the past. And lets not forget someone like Florence Nightingale that helped not only London but basically the whole world.
The simple notion that so many great people of the past wanted to learn about the world and how nature works because they believed in God can't be ignored, the view of wanting to learn more about the natural laws because then they would learn more about the natural law giver was one of the main motivations for a lot of the scientists.

Most of what you have said is nonsense. I'm sympathetic to people who believe in God. He doesn't exist but I'm sympathetic to the view. But I don't need to be thankful for organized religion, it has caused just as much misery as benefits. Likely more. 

I find it disgusting when religious people say without religion then people would be selfish and we should be grateful. I choose to follow my own moral compass.

My invisible made up person living in the sky is more important than your invisible made up person living in the sky.... 

 

I think there is some truth in religions though over time the rulers may have changed or deleted text. The printing press was not available to the 16th Century so over a millennium for 'Chinese Whispers' to occur.

I'm a moral and spiritual person.

Religion was "created" to control the masses, it's a load of made up nonsense. In saying that I don't have a problem with anyone who has a religious belief, as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. 

I thought Scientology was a parody.....starring Tom Cruise.

8 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Most of what you have said is nonsense. I'm sympathetic to people who believe in God. He doesn't exist but I'm sympathetic to the view. But I don't need to be thankful for organized religion, it has caused just as much misery as benefits. Likely more. 

I find it disgusting when religious people say without religion then people would be selfish and we should be grateful. I choose to follow my own moral compass.

I'm sure I didn't lie in anything I said, I also didn't ask you to be grateful for a single thing. Yet somehow you got angry, as if you took my words too seriously, something that we already said doesn't happen? In case you didn't know, a moral compass doesn't come out of nowhere, I can recommend a nice playlist where it's illustrated what CS Lewis once talked about, it has 13 parts this is just part 1:

 

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

I'm sure I didn't lie in anything I said, I also didn't ask you to be grateful for a single thing. Yet somehow you got angry, as if you took my words too seriously, something that we already said doesn't happen? In case you didn't know, a moral compass doesn't come out of nowhere, I can recommend a nice playlist where it's illustrated what CS Lewis once talked about, it has 13 parts this is just part 1:

 

I didn't say you lied. I said you were talking nonsense. You might believe that London's socialist Muslim mayor is desperate to keep the so called "christian" super rich because they provide such a charitable life for it's poor citizens. But it doesn't mean it's true, or that you've lied. 

Like many fanatics, either religious or political. You clearly read things in the hope they reinforce your belief. You don't look to question it. 

I've learnt over the years never to debate someone who thinks the way you do, because you can't hear an opposing view. 

My moral compass came from my upbringing. Which wasnt religious. My father is northern Irish and turned away from religion because of the death it caused his country. My mothers family is non religious going back a couple of generations. 

My religion is Chelsea. My church is Stamford bridge and my saviour is whoever happens to be our manager at the time. 

Edited August 24, 20196 yr by bisright1

On 23/08/2019 at 18:38, dkw said:

My invisible made up person living in the sky is more important than your invisible made up person living in the sky.... 

 

Yes it would be easier to devote myself to God if he manifested himself once in a while. Announced to the crowd at the Bridge, cut the ribbon for a new NHS facility, appeared at garden fetes etc

 

On 24/08/2019 at 07:31, bisright1 said:

I didn't say you lied. I said you were talking nonsense. You might believe that London's socialist Muslim mayor is desperate to keep the so called "christian" super rich because they provide such a charitable life for it's poor citizens. But it doesn't mean it's true, or that you've lied. 

Like many fanatics, either religious or political. You clearly read things in the hope they reinforce your belief. You don't look to question it. 

I've learnt over the years never to debate someone who thinks the way you do, because you can't hear an opposing view. 

 

What I said, is a simple truth and it's not offensive to anyone nor does it mean much, just a simple fact. I only wanted to show respect to the people of the past that contributed to London with their Christian world view, nothing else.

If you got triggered by that, it shows more about your own world view, not mine, you see I took in consideration a lot of things, while you from the very start only wanted to dismiss any notion of anything that would bother your own world view, such simple-minded and black and white attitude does make you a person that doesn't want to listen, so you're describing yourself more than anything and you're not being intolerant just to me but to your own people, nothing worse than not giving any credit where its due, and I'm not even English I don't care I was just being nice.

I already had my world view, way before I ever posted here, so just to clear this thing, be sure that I do not need anyone here to "reinforce" my faith or belief. I only tried to further explain what I meant with what I said because you completly dissmissed any notion of me respecting the people of the past. To make it even more clear, if I ever needed someone to reinforce my belief, I would never turn to someome that doesn't take anything too seriously. 

I was courious to see what a potentially big statement really meant, and the answer I got was: Nothing too serious, or nothing to take it too seriously.

So have a nice day.

 

PS. One of the people I mentioned is from Northern Ireland, but I can be sure by now that you never actually saw that C.S. Lewis video, you pointing out your fathers logic when there is already the opposite reaction from someone that is exactly from the same place is a lost argument, so this is just a waste of time for me so I hope you don't represent the real Chelsea fanatics, if this club is your religion yoi might be a better supporter than me but you can be sure you don't treat other fans as real fans would do.

 

14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

What I said, is a simple truth and it's not offensive to anyone nor does it mean much, just a simple fact. I only wanted to show respect to the people of the past that contributed to London with their Christian world view, nothing else.

If you got triggered by that, it shows more about your own world view, not mine, you see I took in consideration a lot of things, while you from the very start only wanted to dismiss any notion of anything that would bother your own world view, such simple-minded and black and white attitude does make you a person that doesn't want to listen, so you're describing yourself more than anything and you're not being intolerant just to me but to your own people, nothing worse than not giving any credit where its due, and I'm not even English I don't care I was just being nice.

I already had my world view, way before I ever posted here, so just to clear this thing, be sure that I do not need anyone here to "reinforce" my faith or belief. I only tried to further explain what I meant with what I said because you completly dissmissed any notion of me respecting the people of the past. To make it even more clear, if I ever needed someone to reinforce my belief, I would never turn to someome that doesn't take anything too seriously. 

I was courious to see what a potentially big statement really meant, and the answer I got was: Nothing too serious, or nothing to take it too seriously.

So have a nice day.

 

PS. One of the people I mentioned is from Northern Ireland, but I can be sure by now that you never actually saw that C.S. Lewis video, you pointing out your fathers logic when there is already the opposite reaction from someone that is exactly from the same place is a lost argument, so this is just a waste of time for me so I hope you don't represent the real Chelsea fanatics, if this club is your religion yoi might be a better supporter than me but you can be sure you don't treat other fans as real fans would do.

 

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