Seems TT agrees with what Frank thought last season and has made Rice a priority target. 

Abraham plus 70mill perhaps?

47 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Seems TT agrees with what Frank thought last season and has made Rice a priority target. 

Abraham plus 70mill perhaps?

So... That's about 120 million, far too much, that's ridiculous 

I believe it's just silly season yet again, folks.

At some point Chilwell was also mooted for a 80m+ transfer last summer, wasn't he? It would be nonsense to spend that much on Rice at this point as if we were desperate for him to save us. We're the champions of Europe. We can't be naive thinking all is good, but there will be plenty of players interested and Marina will get a decent deal after all. 

 

Think we probably can get him for 50m. And yes I definitely want him! We are really short in midfield, one injury and there’s only Gilmour as back up.

Gilmour is quality but we badly need strength and steel. If Kante is injured, we don’t have a destroyer in midfield.

16 hours ago, guddy69 said:

So... That's about 120 million, far too much, that's ridiculous 

I agree, far too much. However West ham seem far more determined to hold on to him than Leicester were with Chilwell so unless Rice causes a stink about it, it would take a ridiculous offer so that West ham could day to their fans, "how could we say no". And 50 mill will not do that.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I agree, far too much. However West ham seem far more determined to hold on to him than Leicester were with Chilwell so unless Rice causes a stink about it, it would take a ridiculous offer so that West ham could day to their fans, "how could we say no". And 50 mill will not do that.

I'd imagine he'd cost less next year, he won't sign a new contract given all the interest around him

6 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I'd imagine he'd cost less next year, he won't sign a new contract given all the interest around him

He is contracted to 2024 and the club have an option for a mandatory 1 year extension if they chose to use it. 

So no pressure to sell at all.

Two seasons ago when he was massively linked to United I thought he was a donkey and United once again spend a fortune on an overrated English player. Fast forward two seasons and he looks like the perfect partner for Kante in this specific Tuchel formation.

But if he tops his performance this season with a monster Euro tournament I am afraid WH won't let him go for anything less than 90M which to be fair it is a lot for a player of his profile.

 

Edited June 1, 20215 yr by petre ispirescu

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

He is contracted to 2024 and the club have an option for a mandatory 1 year extension if they chose to use it. 

So no pressure to sell at all.

That's a shame, he's quality and is only going to get better. I think a striker needs to be the main priority given all the teams we've failed to put away and I'm not sure we can get both (especially after the Euros). Hopefully we can use Tammy to drag his price down to something reasonable

41 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

That's a shame, he's quality and is only going to get better. I think a striker needs to be the main priority given all the teams we've failed to put away and I'm not sure we can get both (especially after the Euros). Hopefully we can use Tammy to drag his price down to something reasonable

With FFP restriction gone because of covid and us just winning the CL Roman can, if he wants, dump 90mill on rice and 150mill on Haaland without denting his wealth. Is just how bad do we want them?

Personally I think he is worth pushing the boat out for. A leader, a Chelsea fan and former academy player, young, hardworking and really good with the potential to be top, top class as  a DM and Centerback.

Hopefully Everton get Moyes to go back and that helps us. 

Edited June 2, 20215 yr by axman2526

Is he really worth all that money? 
Aren't there any alternatives that are just as good if not better for a cheaper price? 

Now tbh, I don't care that much about the price as it isn't my money. 
For all I care if he really is that good, then they can buy him for 500m. if they have the budget and FFP allows it, 
as long as it doesn't prevent us from getting quality on other positions.
And in all fairness, I have only seen 2 hands of West Ham games in full.
All the rest mini matches or highlights and often it's a good thing when you play on that position and are barely in the summaries. 
But I just can't help the feeling that there are higher rated players for that position. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Personally I think he is worth pushing the boat out for. A leader, a Chelsea fan and former academy player, young, hardworking and really good with the potential to be top, top class as  a DM and Centerback.

Hopefully Everton get Moyes to go back and that helps us. 

Even if it would play in our cards.

I really want Gerard to join Everton, with my brother being a Liverpool fan (I know, the bad genes in the family). 

He's already disgusted just that Steven is being linked to Everton (gave me a big smile this morning reading his frustrated messages) 🥰

Our big advantages with Rice and Lukaku is they are Chelsea fans and have made it know, indirectly, that they want to come here. Whereas Haaland let it be known, before the CL final, that he did not see us as a big club.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Our big advantages with Rice and Lukaku is they are Chelsea fans and have made it know, indirectly, that they want to come here. Whereas Haaland let it be known, before the CL final, that he did not see us as a big club.

Agree with you, if we sign Rice I’m convinced he will be here for the majority of his career. Better off signing him than say, Bissouma who may turn out to be world class and courted by the likes of Bayern etc.

4 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Agree with you, if we sign Rice I’m convinced he will be here for the majority of his career. Better off signing him than say, Bissouma who may turn out to be world class and courted by the likes of Bayern etc.

We have had summers where we favored quantity over quality. TT has made it clear he only wants 3 signings. We dont know what we can raise from sales but if we do end up signing 3 only then the war chest can stretch to bigger fees for our top targets.

IMHO, Declan Rice should be our number 1 target. I know many would say Haaland but we dont know if he would now be willing to come here, if he costs 120mill how much would we have to pay his agent? 40mill? And even if we did get him here every year after we know his agent will be making even more noise than he does with pogba.

Him or Bissouma. Him and Kante would win aerial balls like crazy. Plus he's a fan. I don't want a repeat of Shaw

Julian Wiegel reported as a cheap back up option to Rice for 30mill euros.

Dont want us going for lower quality personally. Either get players who improve the squad or dont bother at all.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Julian Wiegel reported as a cheap back up option to Rice for 30mill euros.

Dont want us going for lower quality personally. Either get players who improve the squad or dont bother at all.

Julian Weigl?

 

Hope not tbh. He was quality at Dortmund for one season (under Tuchel) but then kinda disappeared - can't see him cope within the physical EPL. Way too much money imho if 30m is correct. Eventually slightly better passing game than Jorgi but less robust than him so no real improvement while I'll also go out on a limb and say that he'll need a full season to adapt to the league as well.

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

We have had summers where we favored quantity over quality. TT has made it clear he only wants 3 signings. We dont know what we can raise from sales but if we do end up signing 3 only then the war chest can stretch to bigger fees for our top targets.

IMHO, Declan Rice should be our number 1 target. I know many would say Haaland but we dont know if he would now be willing to come here, if he costs 120mill how much would we have to pay his agent? 40mill? And even if we did get him here every year after we know his agent will be making even more noise than he does with pogba.

Lukaku hasnt had raiola as his agent for a couple years. 

1 minute ago, weetee said:

Julian Weigl?

 

Hope not tbh. He was quality at Dortmund for one season (under Tuchel) but then kinda disappeared - can't see him cope within the physical EPL. Way too much money imho if 30m is correct. Eventually slightly better passing game than Jorgi but less robust than him so no real improvement while I'll also go out on a limb and say that he'll need a full season to adapt to the league as well.

Really dont want weigl either, but he has just won benfica's poty, and had a decent season. 

Agree though, he is too similar to Jorginho. I thin we need someone little more all action. Tchouameni or Rice for me. 

6 minutes ago, big blue said:

Lukaku hasnt had raiola as his agent for a couple years. 

That is a plus for him. Personally dont want us going near Haaland while he let's that worm represent him.

4 minutes ago, big blue said:

Really dont want weigl either, but he has just won benfica's poty, and had a decent season. 

Agree though, he is too similar to Jorginho. I thin we need someone little more all action. Tchouameni or Rice for me. 

Agreed, we need to stay away from average players. We have enough depth, we only need top, top quality.

Players like Rice and Varane, Lukaku even. 

1 minute ago, big blue said:

Really dont want weigl either, but he has just won benfica's poty, and had a decent season. 

Agree though, he is too similar to Jorginho. I thin we need someone little more all action. Tchouameni or Rice for me. 

Did he? Nice. To be clear: I really liked him, seems a nice guy too, and at the time (first Tuchel season at Dortmund) he was immense - on par with Kimmich actually, both being youngsters. Wasn't following him at Benfica, read that he struggled at times but seems like he overall got his groove back. 

Still too expensive while being too risky.

If Lukaku is telling the truth about staying at Inter, and Kane and Haaland are not possible, we set our sights on other targets who may pay off as we need 1 body to replace Tammy and Giroud. However that player, whoever he is, will cost a whole lot less than any of those 3.

Meaning we can make West ham a huge offer to get our main target.

In fact I would not be against us making it a double raid, Antonio could be quite useful.

Edited June 3, 20215 yr by axman2526

For me it's Rice or Ndidi. Anyone else won't drastically improve us.

Might as well stick with Jorgi/Kova