1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

We've got to go for the win, even if it means we ultimately end up losing this game. 

We've dropped 4 points in the last two games and lost an oppotunity to put ourselves in a comfortable position in the top 4 as a consequence. 

If we want Champions League football next season we need to start taking some bigger risks with our approach. 

Of course I agree we've got to try to win. But we have to be realistic.

Even with their recent crisis we are not the favorites in this game. They are still the better team and I doubt they can afford themselves to lose 5 in a row at home.

There is still nearly one third of fixtures to be played, and literally everyone are dropping points, so probably nothing will be certain for us in this crazy season until the last matchday. 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

 

So if it's so "easy" why did Ancelotti (who around a week ago you claimed would have won three more titles minimum with us) and Emery fail their first attempt?

You seem to have latched onto my comments about Ancelotti, let me clarify it for you, if he had stayed with ‘US’ in 2011, I believe we would definitely have won more titles.

What he has done since leaving us, is completely irrelevant!

Based on the sh*t hand he was dealt by Roman after winning the double (our 1 and only) he still managed to finish second in 10/11 which was astounding all things considered!

Like so many managers with us if he had been allowed to build on his initial success we definitely would have won more, unfortunately we have an owner that doesn’t understand sustained success!

7 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

You seem to have latched onto my comments about Ancelotti, let me clarify it for you, if he had stayed with ‘US’ in 2011, I believe we would definitely have won more titles.

What he has done since leaving us, is completely irrelevant!

Based on the sh*t hand he was dealt by Roman after winning the double (our 1 and only) he still managed to finish second in 10/11 which was astounding all things considered!

Like so many managers with us if he had been allowed to build on his initial success we definitely would have won more, unfortunately we have an owner that doesn’t understand sustained success!

Doesn't understand sustained success but we are the most successful club in England since his takeover.

The most successful two clubs on the continent in the same period are Bayern and Real Madrid both of whom change managers like the wind (ironically Ancelotti included for both and even more ironically also the season after a major trophy lift).

There's more ways to sustain success than having the same bum in one seat for x amount of time, for example John Terry was club captain for 13 years (and vice for 3 years before that allowing a seamless transition), in that same period the supposed beacons of stability United and Arsenal were throwing their armband around like a piece of confetti.

40 minutes ago, Argo said:

Doesn't understand sustained success but we are the most successful club in England since his takeover.

The most successful two clubs on the continent in the same period are Bayern and Real Madrid both of whom change managers like the wind (ironically Ancelotti included for both and even more ironically also the season after a major trophy lift).

There's more ways to sustain success than having the same bum in one seat for x amount of time, for example John Terry was club captain for 13 years (and vice for 3 years before that allowing a seamless transition), in that same period the supposed beacons of stability United and Arsenal were throwing their armband around like a piece of confetti.

We’ve repeated on a title once, that’s what’s meant by sustained success, when you win you build, Roman doesn’t do that.

We won a double with Ancelotti and promptly weakened our squad.

I would wager that you’re very much in the minority if you don’t think that given proper support Ancelotti would have brought us more success.

Oh and we used to be the most successful club, we’re not anymore, and not being a Scouser, I don’t bang on about history, it’s all about now & the future!

Those expecting us to comfortably win this game will be very disappointed. They're still a good side despite the terrible form they're in. That front 3 can cause anyone problems. One big aspect we do need to focus on though is that defence, I think this game is a the best defence is a great offence type of game. Give Liverpool hell at the back and they'll suffer, invite pressure and they'll have the confidence to go on and score and win the game. 

We can definitely win this game, but I don't think it will be easy or comfortable. 

15 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

We’ve repeated on a title once, that’s what’s meant by sustained success, when you win you build, Roman doesn’t do that.

We won a double with Ancelotti and promptly weakened our squad.

I would wager that you’re very much in the minority if you don’t think that given proper support Ancelotti would have brought us more success.

Oh and we used to be the most successful club, we’re not anymore, and not being a Scouser, I don’t bang on about history, it’s all about now & the future!

Ancelotti and Mourinho got piss poor transfer recruitment I agree (after winning the title). Not sure if they wanted that or what, I doubt it. Conte on the other hand, I don't think so at all, we signed many players then, just all of them were absolute w**k. But I think Conte wanted those targets, he was always moaning about lack of depth, then we happened to get fullbacks from the Serie A to assist with that, go for the target men strikers that he likes, he was an admirer of Drinkwater, he said so before when Leicester won the league he liked the Kante-Drinkwater partnership. 

All things considered, I think it's fair to guess Conte had a bigger say than a lot of people think he did. Especially when we he got to Inter he was signing the exact same type of players, moaning about the exact same things. 

7 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

We’ve repeated on a title once, that’s what’s meant by sustained success, when you win you build, Roman doesn’t do that.

We won a double with Ancelotti and promptly weakened our squad.

I would wager that you’re very much in the minority if you don’t think that given proper support Ancelotti would have brought us more success.

Oh and we used to be the most successful club, we’re not anymore, and not being a Scouser, I don’t bang on about history, it’s all about now & the future!

Only three managers and clubs (one twice) have retained a PL title in England so by your logic only four times have clubs properly sustained success in the PL era. Real Madrid have retained a title once in the last 30 years, does that mean they haven't properly sustained success bar that one time?

So far in the Roman era we've failed to qualify for CL only twice in 17 years, have won everything there is to win, never gone more than two years without silverware (although granted that's on the line this season) and average just short of 1 a year, if that's not sustaining success nothing is. 

And unless you're counting community shields yes we are and many if not most of those trophies have come from being sharp in changing managers while our rivals (especially Arsenal) have stood there with their fingers in their arse because they've been brainwashed into thinking the only way to success is keeping the same manager.

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

We've got to go for the win, even if it means we ultimately end up losing this game. 

We've dropped 4 points in the last two games and lost an oppotunity to put ourselves in a comfortable position in the top 4 as a consequence. 

If we want Champions League football next season we need to start taking some bigger risks with our approach. 

This isn't a must win game at all. We need to win all of the smaller games and also against Everton, West Ham and Leicester but a draw here wouldn't be the end of the world, I prefer a point than nothing. Look at Man United they haven't won many of the big games at all but they are 2nd best because they won the smaller games.

Jota, Allison, Keira  & Fabinho all back for them.

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

This isn't a must win game at all. We need to win all of the smaller games and also against Everton, West Ham and Leicester but a draw here wouldn't be the end of the world, I prefer a point than nothing. Look at Man United they haven't won many of the big games at all but they are 2nd best because they won the smaller games.

Difference is United smashed 9 goals past Southampton and we're the only team that's failed to beat them in their last 8 games. 

We can't presume we're going to clean sweep the upcoming run of fixtures of WBA, Palace, Brighton and West Ham because this season and last has shown us that this set of players struggles to do that. 

We're struggling to create chances, let alone score goals right now (outside of set pieces). We need to start taking matters into our own hands more by beating direct rivals for the top 4. A draw tonight means we've dropped 6 points out of a possible 9 from the last 3 games with the three teams immediately below us in the table all having games in hand over us. 

I just don't think we should be looking for anything but a win against a struggling Liverpool because after failing to gain ground on United we can't let the oppotunity pass us by to put some breathing space between us and the Scousers. 

12 minutes ago, Argo said:

Only three managers and clubs (one twice) have retained a PL title in England so by your logic only four times have clubs properly sustained success in the PL era.

Sounds about right. 

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Only three managers and clubs (one twice) have retained a PL title in England so by your logic only four times have clubs properly sustained success in the PL era. Real Madrid have retained a title once in the last 30 years, does that mean they haven't properly sustained success bar that one time?

So far in the Roman era we've failed to qualify for CL only twice in 17 years, have won everything there is to win, never gone more than two years without silverware (although granted that's on the line this season) and average just short of 1 a year, if that's not sustaining success nothing is. 

And unless you're counting community shields yes we are and many if not most of those trophies have come from being sharp in changing managers while our rivals (especially Arsenal) have stood there with their fingers in their arse because they've been brainwashed into thinking the only way to success is keeping the same manager.

Real Madrid didn't win that many La Liga titles in recent history only due to the fact that Barcelona had their best generation ever in their history - that same generation was at the same time the Golden Spanish generation that won 2 Euros and a World Cup, their first and only so far but in the last 10 years Real Madrid did win La Liga 3 times anyway.

But Real Madrid won the CL for the first after 11 years with Don Carlo around 2014 I think later on they have won 3 CL titles in a row - Nobody ever managed to win the CL back-to-back since 1992 and they have won it 3 times. By all means Real Madrid have been winning, specially with Zidane that has over 10 trophies in a very, very short period of time.

12 minutes ago, Argo said:

 

So far in the Roman era we've failed to qualify for CL only twice in 17 years, have won everything there is to win, never gone more than two years without silverware (although granted that's on the line this season) and average just short of 1 a year, if that's not sustaining success nothing is. 

And unless you're counting community shields yes we are and many if not most of those trophies have come from being sharp in changing managers while our rivals (especially Arsenal) have stood there with their fingers in their arse because they've been brainwashed into thinking the only way to success is keeping the same manager.

Qualifying for the Champions League, is not success, that is such an Arsenal/Spurs attitude!

As I said, I’m not a scouser, I don’t bang on about history.

1 minute ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Difference is United smashed 9 goals past Southampton and we're the only team that's failed to beat them in their last 8 games. 

We can't presume we're going to clean sweep the upcoming run of fixtures of WBA, Palace, Brighton and West Ham because this season and last has shown us that this set of players struggles to do that. 

We're struggling to create chances, let alone score goals right now (outside of set pieces). We need to start taking matters into our own hands more by beating direct rivals for the top 4. A draw tonight means we've dropped 6 points out of a possible 9 from the last 3 games with the three teams immediately below us in the table all having games in hand over us. 

I just don't think we should be looking for anything but a win against a struggling Liverpool because after failing to gain ground on United we can't let the oppotunity pass us by to put some breathing space between us and the Scousers. 

That's still just 3 points, they smashed them due to red cards anyway it was one of those games... Take away that game and they have around 40 goals scored just like us.

You think we can and simply must win against Liverpool but you can't be confident going up against West Brom, CP, Brighton??

West Ham is a big one, so will be Arsenal and Leicester - this season is going to be tense till the last game, even if we win against Liverpool it means jack sh*t if we later on lose our last 3 games!

1 minute ago, Wearyourcolours said:

Qualifying for the Champions League, is not success, that is such an Arsenal/Spurs attitude!

Funny you mention Arsenal because they're doing exactly what you suggest we should be doing and "sticking with" a manager and look where it's getting them, fighting with Leeds for the 'honour' of finishing top half.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Funny you mention Arsenal because they're doing exactly what you suggest we should be doing and "sticking with" a manager and look where it's getting them, fighting with Leeds for the 'honour' of finishing top half.

Before we laugh at Arsenal, let’s see where we finish.

9 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

You think we can and simply must win against Liverpool but you can't be confident going up against West Brom, CP, Brighton??

Because I'm not convinced we can beat the other teams I'm saying we shouldn't content ourselves with a draw against Liverpool. 

If we have aspirations of a top 4 finish we can't rely on other teams dropping points. We've drop a bollock in our last two games by dropping points and I personally think that dropping points for a third game in a row would put a big dent in a top 4 hopes. 

Silva stil not 100%

3 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Because I'm not convinced we can beat the other teams I'm saying we shouldn't content ourselves with a draw against Liverpool. 

If we have aspirations of a top 4 finish we can't rely on other teams dropping points. We've drop a bollock in our last two games by dropping points and I personally think that dropping points for a third game in a row would put a big dent in a top 4 hopes. 

OK well, I hope we win too but all I'm saying is that no matter happens we simply must go on and win most of the last games but I agree with you that every game matters and that we should see to be more brave and take more risks because it could pay off in the end. Nothing better than winning over Liverpool anyway, part from winning over Spuds for me personally so yes you're right lets win this match by not just playing safe for a 0:0!

3 minutes ago, mojo said:

Silva stil not 100%

(Another) Christensen masterclass incoming. 

 

On 01/03/2021 at 02:16, ozboy said:

Well if we draw they stay below us on the table. 
 

this is one game where we may not have a majority of possession. It’s one game where I think we will get chances and will need to take them. 

That's very worrying. Watching our recent games, you could be forgiven for thinking that training mainly consists of our front line running around with blindfolds on while the midfield and defence practice retaining the ball.

23 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

(Another) Christensen masterclass incoming. 

Looks like he is flourishing under Tuchel

5 hours ago, Argo said:

Let's be fair, 10 of them were at Mainz when Klopp was at Dortmund.

With a more level playing field the score is Klopp 2, Tuchel 1 and 1 draw. 

Yes understandable the comparison is lop-sided due to the disparity in the quality of teams the respective Managers have managed however it does go to show that Klopp's gung-ho style of football which relies on fast build up can cause problems for Tuchel who relies on good defensive shape rather then a low block.

Against United we got caught out twice on the counter (Both from our attacking set pieces) where we lost the structure and were fortunate not to be punished, firstly due to a poor Bruno pass and secondly due to Kante's tenacity. Liverpool are very direct when it comes to attacking spaces in behind hence a system where we play with wingbacks could be exploited by them however I trust Tuchel to have planned for the counter and Azpi and Rudiger will have a big role to play to plug the holes in both channels.

1 minute ago, Imran_CFC said:

Yes understandable the comparison is lop-sided due to the disparity in the quality of teams the respective Managers have managed however it does go to show that Klopp's gung-ho style of football which relies on fast build up can cause problems for Tuchel who relies on good defensive shape rather then a low block.

Against United we got caught out twice on the counter (Both from our attacking set pieces) where we lost the structure and were fortunate not to be punished, firstly due to a poor Bruno pass and secondly due to Kante's tenacity. Liverpool are very direct when it comes to attacking spaces in behind hence a system where we play with wingbacks could be exploited by them however I trust Tuchel to have planned for the counter and Azpi and Rudiger will have a big role to play to plug the holes in both channels.

What's with this negative outlook on everything lately? 

We also had our chances in that game. Ziyech hit a squared ball right at De Gea, Giroud missed a great cross and was inches away. Mount had a moment of magic and realistically should've scored that chance. In the 2nd half we had a handful of chances that could've put the game to bed. But yes, lets talk about how lucky we were because United happened to f**k up two counter attacks...