Somebody tell me why we are supposedly going to blow 60mill from our budget on Jules Kounde when we have Trev already here?

Is Kounde the second coming of Desially or something? Trevs future partner at the back when Silva retires?

Trev is Gem and is getting better and better. A solid performer and a leader on the pitch. If we are buying Kounde so Trev can be his backup is like buying Hakimi so James can be his backup, a waste of transfer funds.

Especially with that shower we get served up front every game...

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Somebody tell me why we are supposedly going to blow 60mill from our budget on Jules Kounde when we have Trev already here?

Is Kounde the second coming of Desially or something? Trevs future partner at the back when Silva retires?

Trev is Gem and is getting better and better. A solid performer and a leader on the pitch. If we are buying Kounde so Trev can be his backup is like buying Hakimi so James can be his backup, a waste of transfer funds.

Especially with that shower we get served up front every game...

We still haven't lost a game that Trev has started this season ... (penalty shoot outs don't count LOL)

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Somebody tell me why we are supposedly going to blow 60mill from our budget on Jules Kounde when we have Trev already here?

Is Kounde the second coming of Desially or something? Trevs future partner at the back when Silva retires?

Trev is Gem and is getting better and better. A solid performer and a leader on the pitch. If we are buying Kounde so Trev can be his backup is like buying Hakimi so James can be his backup, a waste of transfer funds.

Especially with that shower we get served up front every game...

Because we loosing 3 defenders. Kounde can play 2 or 3 at the back comfortably, plus he is young and already one of the best defenders out there. Not to mention that Chalobah is very comfortable playing in the middle in the Silva position, thats where initially Tuchel played him and Silva cannot play every game therefore everyone will have plenty of game time. Chalobah can be a dm if necessary and Kounde can cover wingback position too if needed so not going for Kounde because we have Chalobah is very short sighted. 

Look at the difference Ibrahim Konate has had at Liverpool, they didn't need to buy him because they had 2 others in his position and playing well but Konate has taken Liverpool to another level. 

 

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Because we loosing 3 defenders. Kounde can play 2 or 3 at the back comfortably, plus he is young and already one of the best defenders out there. Not to mention that Chalobah is very comfortable playing in the middle in the Silva position, thats where initially Tuchel played him and Silva cannot play every game therefore everyone will have plenty of game time. Chalobah can be a dm if necessary and Kounde can cover wingback position too if needed so not going for Kounde because we have Chalobah is very short sighted. 

Look at the difference Ibrahim Konate has had at Liverpool, they didn't need to buy him because they had 2 others in his position and playing well but Konate has taken Liverpool to another level. 

 

Will see what it means for Trevs game time. It would be a real shame if we pushed him aside.

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Will see what it means for Trevs game time. It would be a real shame if we pushed him aside.

It's a squad game these days and that will be especially true next season (if we get as far as the semi in all three cups we'll be very lucky to get many if any midweek free).

Look at this season, our 6th choice CB has played 20 games.

18 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Somebody tell me why we are supposedly going to blow 60mill from our budget on Jules Kounde when we have Trev already here?

Is Kounde the second coming of Desially or something? Trevs future partner at the back when Silva retires?

Trev is Gem and is getting better and better. A solid performer and a leader on the pitch. If we are buying Kounde so Trev can be his backup is like buying Hakimi so James can be his backup, a waste of transfer funds.

Especially with that shower we get served up front every game...

It's simple really. Any time Chalobah comes under consistent pressure, he struggles. I like Chalobah, he's a solid squad player, but that is all he should be at this moment. 

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's simple really. Any time Chalobah comes under consistent pressure, he struggles. I like Chalobah, he's a solid squad player, but that is all he should be at this moment. 

He reminds me a bit like Cahill, good player but not going to be in the same class as Terry, Silva, Carvalho or what Colwill could potentially turn into.

Respectful disagree with you Scott.

Cahill was more than a good player Argo, he was a leader and an excellent defender. Not as good as JT or Marcel but still a really excellent player. If Trev reaches those levels then we are blessed.

Edited May 20, 20224 yr by axman2526

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Respectful disagree with you Scott.

Cahill was more than a good player Argo, he was a leader and an excellent defender. Not as good as JT or Marcel but still a really excellent player. If Trev reaches those levels then we are blessed.

I'm not saying it would be a bad thing, but if we are lucky enough to find Silva/JT level defenders and Colwill reaches his potential he will likely be more a squad player going forward as would Cahill have been if he was in the JT/Ricky era.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm not saying it would be a bad thing, but if we are lucky enough to find Silva/JT level defenders and Colwill reaches his potential he will likely be more a squad player going forward as would Cahill have been if he was in the JT/Ricky era.

Silva and JTs don't grow on trees mate. United don't have a defender in that class, nor do Arsenal, nor do City, nor do Spurs. 

In fact only Pool do in VVD. Their other CBS are no better than Cahill was.

JT, Silva, Cannavaro, Maldini, VVD, these are rare, rare players. Love Ricky but he was not in their bracket, nor was Alex or Brana. Top players, but not elite. 

Kounde is not elite either. Would be amazing if Colwill reaches that level but that is a huge ask, is like asking Mount to reach Messi or Ronaldo levels.

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Silva and JTs don't grow on trees mate. United don't have a defender in that class, nor do Arsenal, nor do City, nor do Spurs. 

In fact only Pool do in VVD. Their other CBS are no better than Cahill was.

JT, Silva, Cannavaro, Maldini, VVD, these are rare, rare players. Love Ricky but he was not in their bracket, nor was Alex or Brana. Top players, but not elite. 

Kounde is not elite either. Would be amazing if Colwill reaches that level but that is a huge ask, is like asking Mount to reach Messi or Ronaldo levels.

I very much disagree Ricky wasn't on that level, for me he was as was Gallas and Desailly.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

I very much disagree Ricky wasn't on that level, for me he was as was Gallas and Desailly.

Agree to disagree with you there then mate. Marcel yes, though was he better as a defender or midfielder? He was great in midfield for Milan.

Gallas and Ricky? Loved them, but as good as Maldini? Not for me.

39 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Agree to disagree with you there then mate. Marcel yes, though was he better as a defender or midfielder? He was great in midfield for Milan.

Gallas and Ricky? Loved them, but as good as Maldini? Not for me.

Very few are as good as Maldini, but Gallas and Carvalho are two of the best we have ever had.

10 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Very few are as good as Maldini, but Gallas and Carvalho are two of the best we have ever had.

They certainly were, no debating that. 

Just saying Maldini is the yardstick of what a truly elite defender is. I believe JT and Ashley Cole measure up to that, but Ricky and Gallas just not quite.

Let's be real, Maldini and Nesta are the pinnacle of elite CBs. You then have a bracket below with your Terry's, Rio's, Puyol's, Carvalho's, VVD's, Cannavaro's, etc. 

Cahill was good but that is the end of it. Not world class, not elite. Just good. There were a lot of flaws in his game but he was a valuable asset to have, particularly next to someone experienced. If Chalobah can reach the level Cahill was than he is undoubtedly worth keeping. I've been hearing things about Colwill in the same manner I heard about James during his time in the Championship.  Based on that you can only assume Colwill will have a very high ceiling considering what level James is now currently at. 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Let's be real, Maldini and Nesta are the pinnacle of elite CBs. You then have a bracket below with your Terry's, Rio's, Puyol's, Carvalho's, VVD's, Cannavaro's, etc. 

Cahill was good but that is the end of it. Not world class, not elite. Just good. There were a lot of flaws in his game but he was a valuable asset to have, particularly next to someone experienced. If Chalobah can reach the level Cahill was than he is undoubtedly worth keeping. I've been hearing things about Colwill in the same manner I heard about James during his time in the Championship.  Based on that you can only assume Colwill will have a very high ceiling considering what level James is now currently at. 

 

Nesta better than Terry? I highly disagree with that. Nesta was world class, but in my opinion, Terry is one of the best CB's to ever play the game.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

 

Nesta better than Terry? I highly disagree with that. Nesta was world class, but in my opinion, Terry is one of the best CB's to ever play the game.

Disagree with Nesta being better than Cannavaro as well. Nesta was really, really good, but not as good as JT, Maldini or Cannavaro imo.

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Respectful disagree with you Scott.

Cahill was more than a good player Argo, he was a leader and an excellent defender. Not as good as JT or Marcel but still a really excellent player. If Trev reaches those levels then we are blessed.

More than that cahil was very good box defender which suite Mou low block system 

17 hours ago, Bob stark said:

More than that cahil was very good box defender which suite Mou low block system 

Colwill and Trev could will be this generations JT and Cahill. Lofty targets but why not? Last time we got rave reviews for one of our players in the championship was Reece James, who now is our best player imo.

A Happy Birthday to him. 23 years old today.

So if TT gets what he wants, Koulibaly,  Ake and Kimpembe, I have a feeling Trev may be sold.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

So if TT gets what he wants, Koulibaly,  Ake and Kimpembe, I have a feeling Trev may be sold.

Don't think so. Chalobah back up to Koulibaly.

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Don't think so. Chalobah back up to Koulibaly.

Kimpembe/Ake/Sarr

Koulibaly/Silva/Trev

 

Would he accept that?

Just now, axman2526 said:

Kimpembe/Ake/Sarr

Koulibaly/Silva/Trev

 

Would he accept that?

I think if Tuchel wants him as a back up to Koulibaly he'll accept. 

At this point we have no idea what Tuchel wants to do (back 4 or back 5.)

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think if Tuchel wants him as a back up to Koulibaly he'll accept. 

At this point we have no idea what Tuchel wants to do (back 4 or back 5.)

Hopefully TT at least knows what he wants to do...