1 minute ago, petre ispirescu said:

You did not get my point. I was trying to dismiss the idea that the board does not care about the Academy graduates at all and would sell them for the smallest of profit - hence sell the soul of the club, as some would say.

James and Colwill have an even bigger appeal when it comes to pure profit, yet they are kept at the club and given a starting role. As much as a lot of fans hate to admit it, the likes of Mount, Gallagher and Chalobah not only bring the club a lot of benefits by being pure profit on the business end of things, but they are also not good enough for the things Chelsea try to achieve and I personally share this opinion, too.

Only time will tell if the board was right in everything they did so far. For the moment, it is early. But you can't fault them for the lack of trying. 

For example and this is a fact and nobody can't argue on this is the most recent signing of Estevao and very soon the signing of Gabriel Mec. The three biggest attacking prospects in world football aged 16 or 17 that are destined to become the next superstars by scouts' reviews and analytics experts are Lamine Yamal, Estevao Willian and Gabriel Mec. 

To be in the current state as a club and have already two of these guys signed it is incredible. Add Kendry Paez, too. I think people do not realize how massive this is. 

Nah I mean i agree with you was just adding further to it.

On 30/10/2021 at 17:54, Oli said:

Going back to my original post, he would definately be a very capable squad player and potentially more. One thing about him is hes a managers dream, much like Mount. Even when hes not being decisive with an assist or goal, the guy is pressing 24/7, constsntly winning the ball back or putting people under pressure. Saul and maybe even Barkley wont be there next season, which leaves him competing with Kante Kova Jorginho and Loftus-Cheek for 2 spaces, and seeing as theres enough injuries in those guys, not to mention 4 competitions, he would definately get plenty of playing time.

It also helps he bleeds blue as does his whole family, and would give his all for us.

Always sad when one of your own departs ( phrase has Harry Kane mental links alas)  There seems to be very little to hang your hat on at the moment if you’re a Chelsea fan. Massive disconnect between owners and fans. Liked him very much. Great energy. 
Btw appearances at The Bridge very much on a when it suits me basis these days- Season Ticket Holders fancy a day off etc. I know of people who’ve been STH’s for decades who aren’t renewing. Age and relocation further away partly a factor no doubt, however generally being pissed off with regime also appears to contribute. 

3 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Always sad when one of your own departs ( phrase has Harry Kane mental links alas)  There seems to be very little to hang your hat on at the moment if you’re a Chelsea fan. Massive disconnect between owners and fans. Liked him very much. Great energy. 
Btw appearances at The Bridge very much on a when it suits me basis these days- Season Ticket Holders fancy a day off etc. I know of people who’ve been STH’s for decades who aren’t renewing. Age and relocation further away partly a factor no doubt, however generally being pissed off with regime also appears to contribute. 

Well fair enough, atleast they're actually putting their money where their mouth is.

Being totally against the owners yet lining their pockets is the most contradictory action imaginable.

42 minutes ago, evissy said:

Haven't you seen what we are doing? We are buying players that we think will be good at some point. Not ready/peak players. Boehly told this early on. Samu is in line with this 100%. We are stacked in midfield so I guess this is why we didn't want to hold on Conor for any money. We sell Conor and buy Samu.

Another question is whether you like what the club is doing or not. I think we can't judge this as we don't know every detail AND we don't know how well this club will do in a few years time. If we do well and Samu is our top scorer everyone has forgotten Conor long time ago.

I was thinking of writing a long response but I give up. Just no energy for it anymore, happy for you that you think what they are doing is right but I despise it.

We act like this project is ahead of the curve yet I struggle to see how our squad is stronger than the likes of Villa, Spurs and Newcastle. I even look at West ham and think their squad is just as good as ours and no amount of time is going to fix that.

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Sheva

7 minutes ago, Sheva said:

I was thinking of writing a long response but I give up. Just no energy for it anymore, happy for you that you think what they are doing is right but I despise it.

We act like this project is ahead of the curve yet I struggle to see how our squad is stronger the likes of Villa, Spurs and Newcastle. I even look at West ham and think their squad is just as good as ours and no amount of time is going to fix that.

The other choice is to do exactly what we did under RA. Which we basically did before the SD's were hired.

 

 

21 minutes ago, evissy said:

The other choice is to do exactly what we did under RA. Which we basically did before the SD's were hired.

We had a recruitment team under Roman and signed good young players with a mix of experience and won the champions league in his final years here. We act like we look down on that team yet the current crop assembled is nowhere near it. Are we forgetting we were one of the most successful teams in the country? Do you see any other club in this league or even in the top european leagues spending obscene amounts of money on unproven players? It's not one or the other here it's the ownership group coming in thinking they know better and betting on it.

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Sheva

4 minutes ago, Sheva said:

We had a team under Roman and signed good young players with a mix of experience and won the champions league in his final years here. We act like we look down on that team yet the current crop assembled is nowhere near it. Are we forgetting we were one of the most successfuel teams in the country? Do you see any other club in this league or even in the top european leagues spending obscene amounts of money on unproven players? It's not one or the other here it's the ownership group coming in thinking they know better and betting on it.

What people like @Argo also forget is, Roman catered for younger players in the academy! Take a look at some of Franks younger starters in his first stint! But yet, apparently they would never have lined up under Roman!

I am just tired of this transfer policy.. I hope now they don’t squander the Connor money on another unproven striker from Athletico.. 

they have COMPLETELY KILLED THE JOY OF A TRANSFER WINDOW FOR ME.

11 minutes ago, Mod said:

What people like @Argo also forget is, Roman catered for younger players in the academy! Take a look at some of Franks younger starters in his first stint! But yet, apparently they would never have lined up under Roman!

"No youth promoted since Terry" was literally a stick constantly used to beat us with until that summer.

Also you mentioned Frank, he had 4 chances to put Conor in the squad himself but decided against it on every occasion.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

"No youth promoted since Terry" was literally a stick constantly used to beat us with until that summer.

Also you mentioned Frank, he had 4 chances to put Conor in the squad himself but decided against it on every occasion.

That is on Frank! Did Tammy, Reece and Mason never start and/or contribute to a Champions League Trophy under the Roman era? Where were they signed from?

Why are the owners doing this. Like they are aiming at empty stands. 

The coming season feels less and less interesting every time I read any news abot the club. 

The issue in my opinion isn't about promoting academy players or not. It's about why we're selling/not promoting these players. Under Roman, it was because we were bringing in better players instead on them (bar a couple of exceptions).

Prediction- Palmer stays fit-,well end up 6th to 12t-,Palmer gets crocked,? not quite relegation fodder but certainly we’ll down there

7 minutes ago, Mod said:

That is on Frank! Did Tammy, Reece and Mason never start and/or contribute to a Champions League Trophy under the Roman era? Where were they signed from?

Yes. 

The reason I felt Conor (and Colwill) wouldn't have made the squad is we were increasingly starting to use our youth to fund transfers (Tomori, Tammy, Guehi, Tino).

Maybe I'm wrong and we'll never truly know, but that's what I feel would have happened.

1 hour ago, Timmy Elms said:

Prediction- Palmer stays fit-,well end up 6th to 12t-,Palmer gets crocked,? not quite relegation fodder but certainly we’ll down there

Absolute pish.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Haven't you seen what we are doing? We are buying players that we think will be good at some point. Not ready/peak players. Boehly told this early on. Samu is in line with this 100%. We are stacked in midfield so I guess this is why we didn't want to hold on Conor for any money. We sell Conor and buy Samu.

Another question is whether you like what the club is doing or not. I think we can't judge this as we don't know every detail AND we don't know how well this club will do in a few years time. If we do well and Samu is our top scorer everyone has forgotten Conor long time ago.

You hire SDs from Brighton to implement the Brighton model and eventually you’ll arrive at Brighton results 

3 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

You did not get my point. I was trying to dismiss the idea that the board does not care about the Academy graduates at all and would sell them for the smallest of profit - hence sell the soul of the club, as some would say.

James and Colwill have an even bigger appeal when it comes to pure profit, yet they are kept at the club and given a starting role. As much as a lot of fans hate to admit it, the likes of Mount, Gallagher and Chalobah not only bring the club a lot of benefits by being pure profit on the business end of things, but they are also not good enough for the things Chelsea try to achieve and I personally share this opinion, too.

Only time will tell if the board was right in everything they did so far. For the moment, it is early. But you can't fault them for the lack of trying. 

For example and this is a fact and nobody can't argue on this is the most recent signing of Estevao and very soon the signing of Gabriel Mec. The three biggest attacking prospects in world football aged 16 or 17 that are destined to become the next superstars by scouts' reviews and analytics experts are Lamine Yamal, Estevao Willian and Gabriel Mec. 

To be in the current state as a club and have already two of these guys signed it is incredible. Add Kendry Paez, too. I think people do not realize how massive this is. 

Thinking Chalo isn’t good enough for what Maresca wants to do is completely disingenuous… he can play both FB and anywhere on the back line, can invert and play an excellent CDM, excellent passer, a calm on the ball and in defence…

legitimately should be the perfect Maresca defender 

4 hours ago, Argo said:

Same was said about Mount and we made the upgrade of the century.

Fitness pending his place in the team likely goes to Nkunku.

Who's the upgrade of the century on Mount? 100 million Caicedo or 120 million Enzo? 

27 minutes ago, Erik said:

Who's the upgrade of the century on Mount? 100 million Caicedo or 120 million Enzo? 

Cole Palmer.

27 minutes ago, Erik said:

Who's the upgrade of the century on Mount? 100 million Caicedo or 120 million Enzo? 

Palmer. Head and shoulders above this version of Mason.

Those two play different roles than Mount.

Palmer and Mount are not like for like. Palmer had a brilliant season no doubt but to call him an upgrade of the century against a player with 2 consecutive player of the seasons and multiple trophies is overreacting just a bit. 

5 minutes ago, Erik said:

Palmer and Mount are not like for like. Palmer had a brilliant season no doubt but to call him an upgrade of the century against a player with 2 consecutive player of the seasons and multiple trophies is overreacting just a bit. 

Because he isn't that player anymore, similar to how our Torres wasn't Liverpool's Torres.

Black and white although we are blue and white. Fans here don't give any benefit of doubt nor have time to see the club and squad grow. No wonder really.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

Because he isn't that player anymore, similar to how our Torres wasn't Liverpool's Torres.

Can we guarantee Palmer will have a similar season this time around? 

Going back to what I said previously selling Gallagher off the back of his best season just to balance the books is another mistake in a growing list by the owners. 

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by Erik