1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

Never fails to surprise me how ready supporters are to defend these owners over everything.

Clearly it wasn't enough for them to shaft Gallagher once, they had to do it twice. Sent him away to Spain contingent on us signing that striker only for us to pull out of that deal and now bring Gallagher home so he can join Chalobah, Kepa and Lukaku and "train" with the children.

Our second best player last season btw. Disgraceful stuff.

Nothing is black and white. If you had to talk to Conor heart to heart I think he would say the same. 

I understand simple things are easier to swallow. Which is fine. What ever you like to do with your fandom. 

9 minutes ago, evissy said:

We need to sell Conor for x-reasons, he didn't want our deal. 

1. Don't sell to Premier League rival. ✅

2. Atletico is interested. Good. We've done solid business with them over the years. All but done. Conor moves. 

3. Let's talk Samu. All but done....❌ Clause in the deal is not satisfactory. No deal says Samu.

4. Okay. Let's move on with Conor. No. We want Alvarez with 95m we need you to buy someone first so we can finance his move.

5. We take Felix for 35m. No deal. Okay Conor fly back to home. 

6. This is where we are now.

 

So the Samu dealing is something where we probably messed up although that is not sure what it was. 

The original part where we couldn't keep hold of Conor is something that is undisclosed. Conor chose not to fight for Chelsea contract nor was he satisfied so he decided to move.

Anyway all this info is lacking from the deal...as the deal is between the clubs and Conor. Why the hell do we know even this much is weird to me....

The fact that contracts were offered to CG is quite telling. Some have tried to argue that the new owners knew he would turn those offers down that maybe the case but I somehow doubt that was the case.CG has chosen not to sign an improved deal and that was his choice.

The owners and to be honest most of us know that his contract has value as of 14/8 come 1/1/25 it will drop to near zero. No owner be they loved or hated would be well advised to potentially loose £30 million to placate a few ill informed ex players or come to that key board warriors 

I found the comment about CG being a squad member as opposed to guaranteed starter and I don’t have a problem with that in reality that decision, despite the influence of the owners / sporting directors, would be down to the HC but again a number of posters won’t want to contemplate it that way.

I do think some are being blinded by the matter of a HG academy product being moved on. Indeed where was all the negativity when Tammy, when Tomori and even Guieu ? Some certainly on here will want to talk about the owners in negative terms because they believe it advances their argument.

 

Early last season I was criticising Conor and his abilities. He improved massively over the season ending up being one of our most important players. I would have loved to see him play for us this season and in the future. Wasn't up to me but Chelsea and most importantly Conor. The terms probably weren't what he liked so he saw Champions League mainstay in Spanish capital a very interesting move. 

I don't blame him or the club itself how we ended up here. Tons of moving parts and factors. 

Hopefully Conor gets to play in a club he likes. A model professional and the type of player we will miss this season for sure.

57 minutes ago, evissy said:

I understand Conor and his frustrations but it seems it is:

Conor is unhappy which is because our board and club is evil, don't know what they are doing and is the sole reason Conor is unhappy. Which is probably very far from the truth. 

I understand your use of the word probably, but we don't know that. It brings me back to my original point about a lack of empathy and your earlier statement about not needing to feel too bad for Gallagher. As far as we know, he doesn't know he'll have some significant playing time this season - and at which club - or that he will merely be training with the reserves, running down his contract. It's his livelyhood on the line and his spot in the England squad. He won't starve, but it's still not very nice for an ambitious player.

1 hour ago, terraloon said:

Far more common than is reported . For instance Zouma is stuck in the Middle East unable to progress an agreed transfer due to issues . Read much about that ?

 

1 hour ago, terraloon said:

Far more common than is reported . For instance Zouma is stuck in the Middle East unable to progress an agreed transfer due to issues . Read much about that ?

 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

That is American sports culture which is the most evolved, most functioning and even playing field compared to shady european and world football. Players know they can be moved in a days notice and it is a shock. I follow NHL so I know all the stories. 

It is a cultural difference and I appreciate the difference between cultures between Europe and America. 

I wish Europe can keep hold of the staples of our systems but not exactly the shady football system or lack of any system. This is why we have all these PSR's and weird organizations like Fifa and UEFA because things are unorganized. Saudi comes in and you need new rules, Roman has Putin connections let's make a new rule. Americans come to England, new rules. They found a loophole, new rule.

Well, football is a world wide sport , with massive teams, leagues all over the world, European cups, world cups ( real ones), Copa America, etc etc.

NFL is a one nation sport , not very difficult to regulate.

 

 

1 hour ago, terraloon said:

The fact that contracts were offered to CG is quite telling. Some have tried to argue that the new owners knew he would turn those offers down that maybe the case but I somehow doubt that was the case.CG has chosen not to sign an improved deal and that was his choice.

The owners and to be honest most of us know that his contract has value as of 14/8 come 1/1/25 it will drop to near zero. No owner be they loved or hated would be well advised to potentially loose £30 million to placate a few ill informed ex players or come to that key board warriors 

I found the comment about CG being a squad member as opposed to guaranteed starter and I don’t have a problem with that in reality that decision, despite the influence of the owners / sporting directors, would be down to the HC but again a number of posters won’t want to contemplate it that way.

I do think some are being blinded by the matter of a HG academy product being moved on. Indeed where was all the negativity when Tammy, when Tomori and even Guieu ? Some certainly on here will want to talk about the owners in negative terms because they believe it advances their argument.

 

Have you stopped to wonder why fans have a negative opinion of our owners ?

52 minutes ago, evissy said:

Early last season I was criticising Conor and his abilities. He improved massively over the season ending up being one of our most important players. I would have loved to see him play for us this season and in the future. Wasn't up to me but Chelsea and most importantly Conor. The terms probably weren't what he liked so he saw Champions League mainstay in Spanish capital a very interesting move. 

I don't blame him or the club itself how we ended up here. Tons of moving parts and factors. 

Hopefully Conor gets to play in a club he likes. A model professional and the type of player we will miss this season for sure.

I just see a pattern developing, (Mount, Chalobah, Gallagher) whereby players are offered contracts simply to hold their value. Mount didnt want to sign for this lot, Chalobah did and is training with the reserves, and Gallagher is currently in a revolving door at Stamford Bridge not knowing if he's coming or going. Clubs will hammer CFC down on price becasue they can and because they know we're rubbish at buying and selling players.

Unless we can sell between now and the end of the month, we're going to have a lot of players hanging around Cobham and that isnt good for squad moral, especially if some players don't perform from the off and the two better players from last season are training with reserves. Its just not a good look. 

However, it probably underscores people's points about how players are valued in U.S. Sports but is that a model that will work in Football... 

So far, it hasnt worked, 5 managers, 50 players, still have Lukaku and Kepa on our books, selling our better talent and building a youth team comprising of players still at their original clubs. Our big-money Marque signings have yet to impress. 

I actually think this season is make or break for the club under these owners becuase if the youth singings fail to make the grade, we're going to have trouble getting rid of them, see Mudryk, Stirling, Enzo, Badashile, Disasi, Fofana who will be difficult to move on. 

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

I understand your use of the word probably, but we don't know that. It brings me back to my original point about a lack of empathy and your earlier statement about not needing to feel too bad for Gallagher. As far as we know, he doesn't know he'll have some significant playing time this season - and at which club - or that he will merely be training with the reserves, running down his contract. It's his livelyhood on the line and his spot in the England squad. He won't starve, but it's still not very nice for an ambitious player.

I think everyone has empathy towards Conor and most of all people that know him such as Eghbali and Boehly. 

Conor has something no one at this very moment can't take off of him. That is great market value that is recently tested. 

He is also is a massively lucky situation in terms of broader view - playing the sport he loves and is loved by fans in one of the most beautiful cities in the world making amazing amounts of money. He knows all of this as he is a very level headed person. 

In terms of the pressure in the sport we all need to show love and empathy towards him which we do constantly. That is part of the business also. 

My point is when fans and pundits every day crucify the club and its directors the shouting and spitting how badly they are doing on a hint of knowledge. I think there is a limit there too that to me is being exceeded 20 times over. 

I know how it is a hobby slating your bosses and owners. Fine. But to make them the sole evil is just plain stupid and ignorant.

Bringing him back from Spain is a negotiating move or an admission the deal is off. If AM can only offer Felix in exchange I suspect the deal is off. We need an out and out striker and not another winger.

I'd be prepared to sell to Villa at a higher price if it meant we could land Osimen. 

 

18 minutes ago, Andy North said:

Bringing him back from Spain is a negotiating move or an admission the deal is off. If AM can only offer Felix in exchange I suspect the deal is off. We need an out and out striker and not another winger.

I'd be prepared to sell to Villa at a higher price if it meant we could land Osimen. 

 

Whether Gallagher wants to go to Villa is another matter. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

My point is when fans and pundits every day crucify the club and its directors the shouting and spitting how badly they are doing on a hint of knowledge. I think there is a limit there too that to me is being exceeded 20 times over. 

I know how it is a hobby slating your bosses and owners. Fine. But to make them the sole evil is just plain stupid and ignorant.

Take it all with a grain of salt. Having been a supporter/fan since 1966 I went to games where only 10,000 showed up and we probably didn’t even know, or care, who the owner was. We went to support the team even with their efforts to try to get relegated to the 3rd division. We definitely didn’t write to the local newspaper with any complaints. 

If attendances at SB drop to 30-35,000 maybe there is some tangible dissatisfaction. Until then it’s just words on the Internet and TV by people who crave an audience. Not one of them is saying which one of the other potential buyers of Chelsea could have done better with the rules they have to operate under. 

5 hours ago, Andy North said:

Bringing him back from Spain is a negotiating move or an admission the deal is off. If AM can only offer Felix in exchange I suspect the deal is off. We need an out and out striker and not another winger.

I'd be prepared to sell to Villa at a higher price if it meant we could land Osimen. 

 

 

5 hours ago, dermott said:

Whether Gallagher wants to go to Villa is another matter. 

Gallagher turned down villa and spurs apparently. He doesn't want to play for any other PL team. I guess that might change now though...

18 hours ago, evissy said:

I think everyone has empathy towards Conor and most of all people that know him such as Eghbali and Boehly. 

Conor has something no one at this very moment can't take off of him. That is great market value that is recently tested. 

He is also is a massively lucky situation in terms of broader view - playing the sport he loves and is loved by fans in one of the most beautiful cities in the world making amazing amounts of money. He knows all of this as he is a very level headed person. 

In terms of the pressure in the sport we all need to show love and empathy towards him which we do constantly. That is part of the business also. 

My point is when fans and pundits every day crucify the club and its directors the shouting and spitting how badly they are doing on a hint of knowledge. I think there is a limit there too that to me is being exceeded 20 times over. 

I know how it is a hobby slating your bosses and owners. Fine. But to make them the sole evil is just plain stupid and ignorant.

You've gone from "We shouldn't feel too bad" to "everyone has empathy". I'll just count that as progress.

13 hours ago, Simplymo said:

 

Gallagher turned down villa and spurs apparently. He doesn't want to play for any other PL team. I guess that might change now though...

I think the club could get more money by selling to a Premier league team. I wasn't aware he didn't want to join another Premier league side.

A new dynamic is fast approaching because the window closes in 2 weeks and he has to be gone by then.  If he isn't, he goes on free at the end of the season. I'd go as far to say that this is already impacting the price because any buyer now knows we are under pressure to move him on quickly. 

Not only does this new regime know how to overpay for recruits they are also becoming quite adept at cocking up sales.

34 minutes ago, Andy North said:

I think the club could get more money by selling to a Premier league team. I wasn't aware he didn't want to join another Premier league side.

A new dynamic is fast approaching because the window closes in 2 weeks and he has to be gone by then.  If he isn't, he goes on free at the end of the season. I'd go as far to say that this is already impacting the price because any buyer now knows we are under pressure to move him on quickly. 

Not only does this new regime know how to overpay for recruits they are also becoming quite adept at cocking up sales.

Yeah the reports were 45-50mil by villa and spurs that was accepted by the owners but turned down by gallagher.

Thats why i also posted about giving the owners some credit (ugh, lol) for willing to take 33 or something off AM instead. 

 

But yeah...running out of time now. 

They need to learn to sell first before buying when it comes to the transfer window or at least get the timing done better.

Everyone expects a lot of movement from now till the end though. I have a feeling they have been working out of the limelight and keeping things hush for now and will just surprise us with 3 or 4 transfers/loans in one go.

There's no International tournament next season, so he could sit out the whole season and not impacting his International career that much. Let's face it, the endless friendly game or nation cups just give every half decent player a chance to get a taste of International football. He turned down Spurs, so good on him. He's entitled to make his own choices, it may change slightly if Enzo gives his verdict on Gallagher, but I doubt he will go against the owners even if he speaks.

15 hours ago, Simplymo said:

 

Gallagher turned down villa and spurs apparently. He doesn't want to play for any other PL team. I guess that might change now though...

There is a suggestion that save the offer from Villa received in the winter 23 window no other offer was or has been received however there is a suggestion that Newcastle are readying an offer if they can move a player on 

Been really quiet on this deal. Hopefully it is resolved quick for Conor especially. 

On 14/08/2024 at 12:52, evissy said:

I think everyone has empathy towards Conor and most of all people that know him such as Eghbali and Boehly. 

Conor has something no one at this very moment can't take off of him. That is great market value that is recently tested. 

He is also is a massively lucky situation in terms of broader view - playing the sport he loves and is loved by fans in one of the most beautiful cities in the world making amazing amounts of money. He knows all of this as he is a very level headed person. 

In terms of the pressure in the sport we all need to show love and empathy towards him which we do constantly. That is part of the business also. 

My point is when fans and pundits every day crucify the club and its directors the shouting and spitting how badly they are doing on a hint of knowledge. I think there is a limit there too that to me is being exceeded 20 times over. 

I know how it is a hobby slating your bosses and owners. Fine. But to make them the sole evil is just plain stupid and ignorant.

You keep writing that fans are saying the owners are " evil" snd they are being " crucified".

No, we don't like what has happened since they took over, and  about record spending followed by a dramatic decline in the performance of the first team . And everything else that is going on.

It's perfectly normal for fans to react in the way we have.

You and I know that what will stop fan dissatisfaction is if the team starts winning games and being in or around top 4.

Let's hope it's this season

Come on you BLUES!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spanish reports say Aletico want to renegotiate the deal with us for Conor, want more favorable, reduced fee.

of course they are

lol .. I have a felling Conor will and up at a villa spurs or Newcastle.. 

4 minutes ago, Jangz said:

lol .. I have a felling Conor will and up at a villa spurs or Newcastle.. 

That would be 15 mil extra in the bank. 

6 hours ago, Night-T said:

That would be 15 mil extra in the bank. 

Yep owners will love that and already agreed to the 45mil+ offers. I would just hate to see him in a villa/spuds shirt though.

I also read that AM have sent him personal messages to say they really want him and will try and work it out.

8 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Yep owners will love that and already agreed to the 45mil+ offers. I would just hate to see him in a villa/spuds shirt though.

I also read that AM have sent him personal messages to say they really want him and will try and work it out.

Of course they want him. But on their terms. Which includes unloading the unwanted Felix.