big blue Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Leading on from the interesting calibre of squad thread, what changes would you make to the squad to turns us from also rans, to title winners? GK Mendy, Kepa, Bettineli CB Thiago Silva, Rudiger, Kounde, Azpi, Chalobah, Colwill WB James, Chilwell, Lamptey, Hernandez CM Kante, Kovacic, Rice, Gallagher, Gilmour AT Mount, Pulisic CHO, Nkunku, ST Havertz, David, Broja
timetowaste Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Thinly veiled Jorginho hate thread big blue, Gol15, _Ilya_ and 3 others 6
big blue Posted January 3, 2022 Author Posted January 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, timetowaste said: Thinly veiled Jorginho hate thread It wasnt meant to be. Im a big Jorginho fan, but i think this summer would be the time to cash in. We either have to sell or renew, and in all honesty, i dont want to see him here in a couple of seasons time with even less athleticism than he has now. Makes sense to sell imo. bisright1 and SydneyChelsea 2
hephzibah Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, big blue said: It wasnt meant to be. Im a big Jorginho fan, but i think this summer would be the time to cash in. We either have to sell or renew, and in all honesty, i dont want to see him here in a couple of seasons time with even less athleticism than he has now. Makes sense to sell imo. There would have been no need for this thread if what we want to discuss is that this squad that we currently have is not good enough to win the premier league. Without injuries, this squad can win the Premier league without any additions. The manager just needs to make use of some players in certain positions, then we can win the league. For example, if this is the formation that the manager uses, we can win the premier league. Mendy Chalobah, Silva, Rudiger Hudson-Odoi, James, Kante, Chillwell Mount, Havertz Lukaku. Substitutes will be Pulisic, Ziyech, Barkley, Kovacic, Jorginho, Aspi, Christensen, Kepa, Loftus-Cheek etc. I need Hudson-Odoi as RWB and Reece James as a defensive midfielder. This team will be too good for any team in the premier league. And it's only if we don't want to win the Premier league, but if we want to win the premier league, this team is good enough to win the premier league. We can win the premier league. Edited January 3, 2022 by hephzibah
axman2526 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Johnathan David is a good shout. We will get a good look at him in February when we play Lille. big blue 1
Gol15 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Essentially replacing mostly backups and squad players with newer backups in hope that they would contribute more. With Gilmour and Gallagher back by default and without spending, would you really need to sell Jorginho just so that you can splash 100m on Rice? Is that the position that you would focus on getting the statement signing? You're gambling on the fact that Rudiger wants to stay and that T.Silva at 38 and Azpilicueta at 33 can contribute significantly. And basically replacing Christensen with Kounde, sure it's like an upgrade but overall just 1 new signing for the backline isn't going to cut it, this is the reality. And I don't buy that Lamptey would care to come back either but let's say you're replacing Alonso with someone better as a backup, that's still a limited improvement since you're wishing that Chilwell and James are healthy for most of the season. Replacing Ziyech and Werner in hopes that some other guy from Bundesliga gets to compete with Mount isn't really screaming title winning potential. Finally a 21 year old striker to compete with Havertz and Broja, not really screaming of a title winning squad. Sounds like top 4 to me, so not much of a difference from how things are right now 😅 weetee 1
evissy Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 First of all time played under the same football philosophy and same players. One or two players changed but we are not far. Pure winger and a proper DM maybe. So couple of players and experience.
Gol15 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, hephzibah said: There would have been no need for this thread if what we want to discuss is that this squad that we currently have is not good enough to win the premier league. Without injuries, this squad can win the Premier league without any additions. The manager just needs to make use of some players in certain positions, then we can win the league. For example, if this is the formation that the manager uses, we can win the premier league. Mendy Chalobah, Silva, Rudiger Hudson-Odoi, James, Kante, Chillwell Mount, Havertz Lukaku. Substitutes will be Pulisic, Ziyech, Barkley, Kovacic, Jorginho, Aspi, Christensen, Kepa, Loftus-Cheek etc. I need Hudson-Odoi as RWB and Reece James as a defensive midfielder. This team will be too good for any team in the premier league. And it's only if we don't want to win the Premier league, but if we want to win the premier league, this team is good enough to win the premier league. We can win the premier league. James is never going to be a central midfielder and CHO is never going to be a wing back.
JM7 Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 We need forwards that can actually score goals and threaten. We have no cutting edge.
Argo Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Honestly don't understand this desperation to sign Rice, especially in our current formation. What are people seeing that I'm not?
big blue Posted January 3, 2022 Author Posted January 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, Argo said: Honestly don't understand this desperation to sign Rice, especially in our current formation. What are people seeing that I'm not? I just think Rice is inevitable. Id take Tchouameni aswell though tbh.
big blue Posted January 3, 2022 Author Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Gol15 said: Essentially replacing mostly backups and squad players with newer backups in hope that they would contribute more. With Gilmour and Gallagher back by default and without spending, would you really need to sell Jorginho just so that you can splash 100m on Rice? Is that the position that you would focus on getting the statement signing? You're gambling on the fact that Rudiger wants to stay and that T.Silva at 38 and Azpilicueta at 33 can contribute significantly. And basically replacing Christensen with Kounde, sure it's like an upgrade but overall just 1 new signing for the backline isn't going to cut it, this is the reality. And I don't buy that Lamptey would care to come back either but let's say you're replacing Alonso with someone better as a backup, that's still a limited improvement since you're wishing that Chilwell and James are healthy for most of the season. Replacing Ziyech and Werner in hopes that some other guy from Bundesliga gets to compete with Mount isn't really screaming title winning potential. Finally a 21 year old striker to compete with Havertz and Broja, not really screaming of a title winning squad. Sounds like top 4 to me, so not much of a difference from how things are right now 😅 What would you do?
Argo Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, big blue said: I just think Rice is inevitable. Id take Tchouameni aswell though tbh. He would be like Lukaku, another lazy signing based on emotion and PR rather than common sense. I mean, don't get me wrong he's good at what he does and he's perfect for an underdog set up like West Ham under Moyes but for us, a team that go to toe to toe with even elite midfields, I just can't see it, I try to everytime I watch him but no, nothing. Sexyfootball 1
Chelsbear Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 CHO won't be part of it or at least starting if we want to be champions
Munkunku Posted January 3, 2022 Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Gol15 said: Essentially replacing mostly backups and squad players with newer backups in hope that they would contribute more. I thought you were meant to upgrade players in the starting XI with better ones then have them fit it out. ‘Squad players’ need to be few and far between, if they could all be the Paulo Ferreira of their positions that’d be great. Gol15 1
Gol15 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, big blue said: What would you do? I would also sign a few players but I would focus on the defense and then when it comes to attack I would get 1 known name that can potentially sign for us and become a good impact player, for example someone like Marco Asensio from Real Madrid that could put up a nice shift for us in his best years and be like a new Pedro. + Aurelien Tchouameni big signing + Jules Kounde big signing + Matthijs De Ligt big signing + Marco Asensio average signing since his contract is expiring in a year + Sergino Dest smaller signing Let's say that the following players leave: - Christensen free - Rudiger free - Alonso small fee. - Barkley small fee. - RLC small fee. - Werner decent fee. - Lukaku bigger fee. Squad depth, the bold names are an example of a starting lineup in a 4-2-3-1: Mendy/Kepa James/Emerson/Dest Kounde/T.Silva De Ligt/Chalobah Chilwell/Dest Kante/Kovacic/Gilmour Jorginho/Tchouameni Asensio/Ziyech Mount/Gallagher Pulisic/CHO Havertz/Broja I can also sell Jorginho here in case of the need of funds but regardless of that the only worry after a transfer window like this would be to replace Kante in a few years, other than that we woulndn't need to buy at all in the next transfer windows since all would be growing and I would then expect Mbuyamba to get promoted like Chalobah once T.Silva leaves. Edited January 4, 2022 by Gol15
Bob stark Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 If you are talking about right now easy elite wide forward preferably rw aka salah. Other option lewa,kane,haaland,lukaku. This is quite clear. If you are talking about for the future then it is time to decide what next, if you want to go back 4. Alonso,jorgi,rudi,chris are sellable asset. You need at least two more cb. Offensively, let say 433 Kante/kova - Mount Dm Now if you believe Havertz is a st then play him there. Now you let ziyechh,cho,puli,werner to battle it out. Then asses in the end of the season. What does this remind you of ? Yup Lampard time.
Gol15 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bob stark said: If you are talking about right now easy elite wide forward preferably rw aka salah. Other option lewa,kane,haaland,lukaku. This is quite clear. If you are talking about for the future then it is time to decide what next, if you want to go back 4. Alonso,jorgi,rudi,chris are sellable asset. You need at least two more cb. Offensively, let say 433 Kante/kova - Mount Dm Now if you believe Havertz is a st then play him there. Now you let ziyechh,cho,puli,werner to battle it out. Then asses in the end of the season. What does this remind you of ? Yup Lampard time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Chelsea_F.C._season
Munkunku Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Gol15 said: I can also sell Jorginho here in case of the need of funds but regardless of that the only worry after a transfer window like this would be to replace Kante in a few years, other than that we woulndn't need to buy at all in the next transfer windows since all would be growing and I would then expect Mbuyamba to get promoted like Chalobah once T.Silva leaves. First the Lukaku wanting out BS and now Jorginho is announcing he wants to leave live on The Shed End Forum! bisright1, Gol15, axman2526 and 1 other 4
Sexyfootball Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 25 man squad playing 4-3-3 as follows: 3 GKs ; 5 CBs 4 FBs ; 6 MFs ; 4 Wingers ; 3 Strikers. New Signings (6, o/w 5 for the Starting 11 ) 2x better Wingers (Chiesa and Raphinha) 2x better Centre Backs (Kounde and Szalai) to replace Rudiger.Christensen (assuming they both leave) and who could play in a 4 or 5 at the back. 1x proper Defensive Midfielder (I've gone for Tchouameni, but Kessie would also be fine). 1x back up full back (Sergino Dest, who can play left or right side) Loanees into Squad: Gallagher and Colwill End of Contract: Rudiger, Christensen, Baker, Musonda, Drinkwater, Clarke-Salter, Sterling End of Loan: Saul Sell : Alonso, Sarr, Miazga, Ampadu, Rahman, Emerson, Bakayoko, Barkley, RLC, Ziyech, Kenedy, Anjorin, Batshuayi, Werner Loan: Gilmour, Maatsen, Mbuyamba, Baxter, Vale, Hall Edited January 4, 2022 by Sexyfootball big blue 1
Gol15 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Munkworth said: First the Lukaku wanting out BS and now Jorginho is announcing he wants to leave live on The Shed End Forum! When the majority wants you out it's only a matter of time when you start believing it as well... *insert sad theme music*
Gol15 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Sexyfootball said: 25 man squad playing 4-3-3 as follows: 3 GKs ; 5 CBs 4 FBs ; 6 MFs ; 4 Wingers ; 3 Strikers. New Signings (6, o/w 5 for the Starting 11 ) 2x better Wingers (Chiesa and Raphinha) 2x better Centre Backs (Kounde and Szalai) to replace Rudiger.Christensen (assuming they both leave) and who could play in a 4 or 5 at the back. 1x proper Defensive Midfielder (I've gone for Tchouameni, but Kessie would also be fine). 1x back up full back (Sergino Dest, who can play left or right side) Loanees into Squad: Gallagher and Colwill End of Contract: Rudiger, Christensen, Baker, Musonda, Drinkwater, Clarke-Salter, Sterling End of Loan: Saul Sell : Alonso, Sarr, Miazga, Ampadu, Rahman, Emerson, Bakayoko, Barkley, RLC, Ziyech, Kenedy, Anjorin, Batshuayi, Werner Loan: Gilmour, Maatsen, Mbuyamba, Baxter, Vale, Hall I think a player like Asensio that is a RW fits better than Chiesa. On the left wing we have CHO and Pulisic and Mount prefers that area of the pitch naturally.
Sexyfootball Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, Gol15 said: I think a player like Asensio that is a RW fits better than Chiesa. On the left wing we have CHO and Pulisic and Mount prefers that area of the pitch naturally. I'll stick with Chiesa thanks. He can play left or right. Plus it is rumoured that Madrid are after Chiesa to replace Asensio, so why would we go for the latter ? Surely if he was the right stuff, then Madrid would want to keep him ? CHO and Pulisic are the back up wingers. I don't think we see enough output for CHO or Pulisic to be first choice, especially when Salah/Mane are the benchmark. Mount I see as an attacking midfielder, who can fill in when Kante is absent/rested (so they are probably 50/50 in that position). I think Mount "preferring the left side naturally" is more a case of him being tactical disciplined enough to play where TT is asking him to !
Gol15 Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said: I'll stick with Chiesa thanks. He can play left or right. Plus it is rumoured that Madrid are after Chiesa to replace Asensio, so why would we go for the latter ? Surely if he was the right stuff, then Madrid would want to keep him ? CHO and Pulisic are the back up wingers. I don't think we see enough output for CHO or Pulisic to be first choice, especially when Salah/Mane are the benchmark. Mount I see as an attacking midfielder, who can fill in when Kante is absent/rested (so they are probably 50/50 in that position). I think Mount "preferring the left side naturally" is more a case of him being tactical disciplined enough to play where TT is asking him to ! Chiesa is a better player but he's also more expensive. We only have Ziyech as the more natural RW.
Sexyfootball Posted January 4, 2022 Posted January 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gol15 said: Chiesa is a better player but he's also more expensive. We only have Ziyech as the more natural RW. The objective is to come up with a title winning squad ... better players will help :-) I'm selling Ziyech btw.
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