2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I wouldn't call it diving, it's more of a reaction when a player being hit in the box. The defender was diving in, so there were sufficient contacts to warrant him going down. The fact referee ( no other than the Chelsea hating AT) gave the penalty suggested enough contacts.  If he stayed up, probably hit the post and we'd be calling him all sorts of names again😅

Oh no doubt had he stayed on his feet and the chance gone there would be those who would be saying he should have gone down.

I look at those moments and ask myself "would Zola have gone down there" cause he never, ever went down unless he was brought down and could not stay up.

There I feel he stays on his feet, plays in a team mate or whips it in to the top corner on his left peg.

Also feel if Taylor had waved it away VAR would not have sent him to the screen.

On 12/01/2024 at 14:20, Sheva said:

I get you don't rate him, heck I don't even like him as a player but he is only behind Aguero in goals for that City team in the premier league era and he's been playing with some very good players who are no where near him in terms of numbers. I just think he's better than what we have right now because what we have isn't very good.

Mudryk is no where near ready and should likely be on loan, Noni has now only just got game time and we're in January and Nkunku is always injured.

Palmer and Sterling have to start every game and form a partnership because out of all our attacking players those 2 seem to be always fit and ready to play.

 

I don't even dislike Sterling, i was very vocal in Summer how he should be starting week in week out for his experience. Sadly, his experience means very little in terms of reliability. 

As for the goals, its hardly surprising considering he was there a lot longer than others. City fans themselves were very happy to see him moved on because of his greediness and wastefulness.

54 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't even dislike Sterling, i was very vocal in Summer how he should be starting week in week out for his experience. Sadly, his experience means very little in terms of reliability. 

As for the goals, its hardly surprising considering he was there a lot longer than others. City fans themselves were very happy to see him moved on because of his greediness and wastefulness.

Of course they were, they got the best out of him and he's probably past his peak now. It still doesn't change my point that he's better than what we have right now.

 

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Of course they were, they got the best out of him and he's probably past his peak now. It still doesn't change my point that he's better than what we have right now.

 

once every fifth game 

11 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

once every fifth game 

And there lies the problem.

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

once every fifth game 

Still better than Mudryk and Noni this season.

Apart from Palmer once in every five games is likely better than most of the squad.

30 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Still better than Mudryk and Noni this season.

Apart from Palmer once in every five games is likely better than most of the squad.

Noni has been far more consistent in the small sample size we've seen from him. 

Mudryk and Noni also have an upside.

24 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Noni has been far more consistent in the small sample size we've seen from him. 

Mudryk and Noni also have an upside.

What upside does Noni have that Sterling doesn't already provide?

2 minutes ago, Remodez said:

What upside does Noni have that Sterling doesn't already provide?

ability to consistently beat a man and age on his side to improve.

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Noni has been far more consistent in the small sample size we've seen from him. 

Mudryk and Noni also have an upside.

We are likely going to go round in circles.

I go back to the situation where young players get alot more leeway. I had faith in Mudryk, I still do a little but he's a long way off Sterling. Mudryk is hopeless 90% of a game and has 1 or 2 good moments and everyone thinks he should start. He's had 3 managers now and Poch is the only one to show more faith in him but he obviously doesn't trust him as much as Sterling. He's still learning how to play football let alone adapting to the premier league.

Noni is now starting to get gametime and we're in January which is on him not the manager, if he's not impressing him or putting the work in training then its justified. If he keeps coming on or impressing then he has a case.

Sterling is 2nd behind palmer in G/As this season. We need points and because we're not playing well, we need moments like yestarday to win us games. If he didn't go down we're not winning that game, it was soft yes but he used his experience to win the pen.

Also Drogba is 100% going down in that situation, lets not kid ourselves which in reference to a previous post.

 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

ability to consistently beat a man and age on his side to improve.

I have no idea what the stats are but from watching he doesn't consistently beat a man, at least no more than Sterling does. 

I've looked through this thread briefly and I believe people are being harsh on Sterling. Can he be more consistent? Sure but when you play direct and take the amount of risks he does, it's pretty much impossible to be consistent unless you are Messi.

Of the 9 wins we have so far, he is solely responsible for us winning 5 of them and for getting us the draw v City. If penalties counted as assists, he would have assisted half of Palmer's goals this season. Instead of people bashing Sterling, I feel they should be way more critical of our other attackers because without Sterling we would not be in the position we are now where we have a decent chance of getting 7th place. 

7 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I have no idea what the stats are but from watching he doesn't consistently beat a man, at least no more than Sterling does. 

I've looked through this thread briefly and I believe people are being harsh on Sterling. Can he be more consistent? Sure but when you play direct and take the amount of risks he does, it's pretty much impossible to be consistent unless you are Messi.

Of the 9 wins we have so far, he is solely responsible for us winning 5 of them and for getting us the draw v City. If penalties counted as assists, he would have assisted half of Palmer's goals this season. Instead of people bashing Sterling, I feel they should be way more critical of our other attackers because without Sterling we would not be in the position we are now where we have a decent chance of getting 7th place. 

Noni takes a man on successfully 3.1 times a game, Sterling 2.1 times a game. More carries over a much larger distance per 90 etc. 

Lets also remember Sterling refusing to pass for a simple tap in costing us multiple times. 

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Noni takes a man on successfully 3.1 times a game, Sterling 2.1 times a game. More carries over a much larger distance per 90 etc. 

Lets also remember Sterling refusing to pass for a simple tap in costing us multiple times. 

Everyone of our attackers have been guilty of not playing a simple pass for a goal, apart from maybe Mudyrk but that's more likely from a lack of confidence to shoot to be honest.

I get the point though, he's experienced so should know better, etc. I never said he was perfect, just offering people some perspective on things. I get being frustrated with Sterling but without him we would be in a way worse situation. 

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Also Drogba is 100% going down in that situation, lets not kid ourselves which in reference to a previous post.

 

And what of Zola?

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

And what of Zola?

What about Osgood 👑

Just now, Kev56 said:

What about Osgood 👑

Yeah players of that era did not dive, and played on broken legs lol.

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

I have no idea what the stats are but from watching he doesn't consistently beat a man, at least no more than Sterling does. 

I've looked through this thread briefly and I believe people are being harsh on Sterling. Can he be more consistent? Sure but when you play direct and take the amount of risks he does, it's pretty much impossible to be consistent unless you are Messi.

Of the 9 wins we have so far, he is solely responsible for us winning 5 of them and for getting us the draw v City. If penalties counted as assists, he would have assisted half of Palmer's goals this season. Instead of people bashing Sterling, I feel they should be way more critical of our other attackers because without Sterling we would not be in the position we are now where we have a decent chance of getting 7th place. 

Sterling is judged to a much harsher standard than our poor young talents. 

People trott out rubbish like "1 good game every 5 games" as a criticism of Sterling while Noni has 1 good game every 6,  Mudryk has 1 good game every 16 and Broja is still seeking his first good performance in a Chelsea shirt in his career.

There's no argument Sterling isn't better than our young deadwood but they pretend because they're young they'll one day be top players but there's nothing to suggest most of them will even reach Raheems current level.

17 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

And what of Zola?

I only mentioned Drogba, the rest I agree with you. Football has changed, sadly its just the way it is.

 

1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Sterling is judged to a much harsher standard than our poor young talents. 

People trott out rubbish like "1 good game every 5 games" as a criticism of Sterling while Noni has 1 good game every 6,  Mudryk has 1 good game every 16 and Broja is still seeking his first good performance in a Chelsea shirt in his career.

There's no argument Sterling isn't better than our young deadwood but they pretend because they're young they'll one day be top players but there's nothing to suggest most of them will even reach Raheems current level.

Still managed to sneak Broja into a conversation about wingers, genuinely impressive at this point.

Never seen such unfiltered obsession before on here. Surely rivals Gol's love for J5?

Madueke has been given charity minutes and still has a goal contribution every 143 minutes of football this season. Mudryk has a goal contribution every 162 minutes of football, and last time I checked was our highest chance creator. 

What's funny is that these 2 in the past few weeks have ultimately saved Poch's job yet their reward the next match week is being on the bench. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Still managed to sneak Broja into a conversation about wingers, genuinely impressive at this point.

Never seen such unfiltered obsession before on here. Surely rivals Gol's love for J5?

Also mentions Sterling being judged by a harsher standard than the youngsters.

Hold the front pages! A season professional with many medals in his lockets is held to a higher standard than vet behind the ears youth players and one who came back from a career changing injury who does not even play in Sterlings position!

 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Still managed to sneak Broja into a conversation about wingers, genuinely impressive at this point.

Never seen such unfiltered obsession before on here. Surely rivals Gol's love for J5?

It's impressive how it's managed to go over your head but the conversation is about the productivity of our attacking players. It's the hardest thing in the sport to score goals at PL level, lots of players don't have the talent for it as you can see from our current striker so we need our wingers to step up with goals and assists and Sterling has done it his entire career.

much lesser players get every excuse under the sun. just above someone is pretending his favorite strikers injury was "career changing" like he didn't have 1 goal In his last 30 games  pre injury. but Sterling has 1 bad game and the knives are out and his good performances are downplayed.

We'd be in a much worse position without him and aside from Palmer I don't think you can say that about any other attacking player avaliable to Poch and fyi we've seen both play minutes up front this season and likely will again against Boro if Nkunku isn't fit because they're our only 2 players consistently getting us on the score sheet none of our other wingers have it in their lockers.

6 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Sterling is judged to a much harsher standard than our poor young talents. 

People trott out rubbish like "1 good game every 5 games" as a criticism of Sterling while Noni has 1 good game every 6,  Mudryk has 1 good game every 16 and Broja is still seeking his first good performance in a Chelsea shirt in his career.

There's no argument Sterling isn't better than our young deadwood but they pretend because they're young they'll one day be top players but there's nothing to suggest most of them will even reach Raheems current level.

Well Palmer is young and was very, very inexperienced when we brought him. I'm hoping you think he is doing alright because I noticed he wasn't on your list of talented young players we should have signed. He must have passed under your radar whilst you were watching the unknowns Vinicius, Bellingham, M'bappe, Halaand etc. 

Or maybe you would include him in your deal for Dybala?

 

7 hours ago, Remodez said:

What upside does Noni have that Sterling doesn't already provide?

He's definitely better in the air. He also looks faster to me.

Sterling plays best when others are playing well. Im not sure we can hand on heart say we've been playing well. Sterling carries a threat. He's been close to the game speeds and is there or thereabouts for us, scoring goals hasn't been the problem and sterling hasn't been bad at all. He is inconsistent, I'll give him that and frustrating but he runs for 90 and is always hunting and running. Hope we see more from him second half of season end product wise, hope to see more from others too and goals would be a massive help from Gallagher. Everyone can improve, including us fans to let these guys try and continue to forge a team spirit and better results. he's a bit marmite round here, but im happy he starts for us.