Personally I'd pick Sterling over Madueke all the time with Madueke a  good sub at 60 minutes. Sterling's acceleration and turns are faster than Madueke's by some margin, he is faster over the first 5 metres than Mudryck I reckon. In addition he knows where to be most of the time. Madueke is stronger and probably a better outside shooter.

It seems obvious to me that Sterling is judged to a far harsher standard that Madueke. Mudryck is also judged very harshly, perhaps with more reason, although I'd still be playing Mudryck a lot more.

Madueke just hasn't had enough game time for his faults to become obvious and no doubt given his history he will be injured before long anyway. No credit is actually given to Sterling's ability to play most games in a season.

Sterling also has to shoulder the burden of being switched from wing to wing to accomodate which ever other winger is in favour this week. Personally I think this stuffs not only him, but the team up. Someone with actual proper coaching experience will correct me  but I've read that building up little understandings between say a midfielder, fullback and winger or between a winger and no 9 is an important component of building a good team. You don't see Doku being switch to the right or Gordon or Mitoma and when Rashford is it doesn't do him any good. Why don't we try that genius Madueke on the left and see how he does.

as things stand  I expect that nonce Poch to pick Chilwell on the left and Madueke on the right. Phew time for a beer.

4 hours ago, ozboy said:

Personally I'd pick Sterling over Madueke all the time with Madueke a  good sub at 60 minutes. Sterling's acceleration and turns are faster than Madueke's by some margin, he is faster over the first 5 metres than Mudryck I reckon. In addition he knows where to be most of the time. Madueke is stronger and probably a better outside shooter.

It seems obvious to me that Sterling is judged to a far harsher standard that Madueke. Mudryck is also judged very harshly, perhaps with more reason, although I'd still be playing Mudryck a lot more.

Madueke just hasn't had enough game time for his faults to become obvious and no doubt given his history he will be injured before long anyway. No credit is actually given to Sterling's ability to play most games in a season.

Sterling also has to shoulder the burden of being switched from wing to wing to accomodate which ever other winger is in favour this week. Personally I think this stuffs not only him, but the team up. Someone with actual proper coaching experience will correct me  but I've read that building up little understandings between say a midfielder, fullback and winger or between a winger and no 9 is an important component of building a good team. You don't see Doku being switch to the right or Gordon or Mitoma and when Rashford is it doesn't do him any good. Why don't we try that genius Madueke on the left and see how he does.

as things stand  I expect that nonce Poch to pick Chilwell on the left and Madueke on the right. Phew time for a beer.

That nonce? Really?

5 hours ago, ozboy said:

Personally I'd pick Sterling over Madueke all the time with Madueke a  good sub at 60 minutes. Sterling's acceleration and turns are faster than Madueke's by some margin, he is faster over the first 5 metres than Mudryck I reckon. In addition he knows where to be most of the time. Madueke is stronger and probably a better outside shooter.

It seems obvious to me that Sterling is judged to a far harsher standard that Madueke. Mudryck is also judged very harshly, perhaps with more reason, although I'd still be playing Mudryck a lot more.

Madueke just hasn't had enough game time for his faults to become obvious and no doubt given his history he will be injured before long anyway. No credit is actually given to Sterling's ability to play most games in a season.

Sterling also has to shoulder the burden of being switched from wing to wing to accomodate which ever other winger is in favour this week. Personally I think this stuffs not only him, but the team up. Someone with actual proper coaching experience will correct me  but I've read that building up little understandings between say a midfielder, fullback and winger or between a winger and no 9 is an important component of building a good team. You don't see Doku being switch to the right or Gordon or Mitoma and when Rashford is it doesn't do him any good. Why don't we try that genius Madueke on the left and see how he does.

as things stand  I expect that nonce Poch to pick Chilwell on the left and Madueke on the right. Phew time for a beer.

Yes, you have a point. In fact Doku like Sterling can play on the RW and on his first City start, he did play there but it is obvious that limits his threat and hence why virtually every game now that Doku plays now, he is at LW. Gordon has been playing every game for Newcastle at LW, however Howe decided to start him RM/RW against Liverpool the other day for some reason and no surprise, he could not get into the game. He was completely shunned out the game, however Howe realised his mistake and second half he moved Gordon to LW and no surprise, carried a much more threat.

Mitoma, would be much less effective on the RW. The games where Sterling has played LW he defo carries more of a threat.

I get why he frustrates people but the level of criticism he gets is absurd. He has been frustrating but has been one of our players who has actually done a lot better this season. He has won us penalties, made some assists and scored a few and I am sure he will get more.

54 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

That nonce? Really?

Who?

5 hours ago, ozboy said:

 I expect that nonce Poch

Bang out of order that.

Edited January 16, 20242 yr by Kev56

3 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Bang out of order that.

Yes I'll apologise for that. Being Australian I didn't realise its current meaning. I used in the way that I read  it in Shakespeare as a kind of puffed up idiot.

6 hours ago, STATS said:

Who?

My comment was calling out the use of the word, rather than using it.....

19 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

It's impressive how it's managed to go over your head but the conversation is about the productivity of our attacking players. It's the hardest thing in the sport to score goals at PL level, lots of players don't have the talent for it as you can see from our current striker so we need our wingers to step up with goals and assists and Sterling has done it his entire career.

much lesser players get every excuse under the sun. just above someone is pretending his favorite strikers injury was "career changing" like he didn't have 1 goal In his last 30 games  pre injury. but Sterling has 1 bad game and the knives are out and his good performances are downplayed.

We'd be in a much worse position without him and aside from Palmer I don't think you can say that about any other attacking player avaliable to Poch and fyi we've seen both play minutes up front this season and likely will again against Boro if Nkunku isn't fit because they're our only 2 players consistently getting us on the score sheet none of our other wingers have it in their lockers.

If the conversation was purely about productivity then why was Noni mentioned?

Sterling has a G/A every 136 minutes in the league this season.

Noni has a G/A every 126.5 minutes in the league this season.

Add to that the 7 big chances missed by Sterling, multiple that have cost us points.

As for Broja, the forum seems pretty unanimous that he's not the man to take us forward long term. It also doesn't need shoehorning into every possible conversation on every thread you enter.

I thought he was good yesterday he turned up and played hot his assistant and was crucial in a couple goals maybe more 

Played well last night, very interesting that he chose to pass to Broja rather than shoot when he was on the keeper.

Throughout his career he's always got a lot of stick for being inconsistent but this season I think he's been our most consistent and best attacker overall with Palmer a close second.

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Throughout his career he's always got a lot of stick for being inconsistent but this season I think he's been our most consistent and best attacker overall with Palmer a close second.

Palmer 2nd? You must be having a laugh surely. 

I for one don't think Sterling is doing as badly as most people on here think, I actually think he's been our 2nd best player this season but Palmer has probably had about 2 bad games to my recollection. 

57 minutes ago, dkw said:

Played well last night, very interesting that he chose to pass to Broja rather than shoot when he was on the keeper.

He knows he f**ked up against Wolves and I don’t think he will make that mistake again else he hasn’t learn a thing.

Goals change games and had he pass at wolves I believe we would have won that game.

Edited January 24, 20242 yr by El regreso

Supposed to be one of our "experienced" leaders. He's turned into a flat track bully who gets preferential treatment from the manager. 

The tackle he bottled out of on the edge of our area in the second half was cowardly. Don't think he won a challenge all night. Luiz Diaz is a hundred times the player Sterling is.

4 minutes ago, just said:

Supposed to be one of our "experienced" leaders. He's turned into a flat track bully who gets preferential treatment from the manager. 

The tackle he bottled out of on the edge of our area in the second half was cowardly. Don't think he won a challenge all night. Luiz Diaz is a hundred times the player Sterling is.

He is fine, did you miss the memo it is all Brojas fault?

I need this bloke gone or at least out of the XI next season. 
 

 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I need this bloke gone or at least out of the XI next season. 
 

 

Wages too high for him to move on. 

Becoming a waste of space.

Someone with his experience is performing well below expectations.

300k a week lmao.

Another Brilliant Thomas Tuchel signing. 

Possibly his worst ever game in a Chelsea shirt. And that is a very low bar.

Sick of complaining about him tbh. He is going to play all the time anyway because he is on 325k and the alternatives are just as bad. 

So might as well enjoy the dribbling into blind alleys, zero awareness, and decision making of a 13 year old. 

I completely understand why so many people dislike him. One of our most experienced players? His attitude was f**king disgusting, like he couldn't give a f**k. The way he kept grinning after f**king something up. 

I'm sick to death of some of these players. 

30 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I completely understand why so many people dislike him. One of our most experienced players? His attitude was f**king disgusting, like he couldn't give a f**k. The way he kept grinning after f**king something up. 

I'm sick to death of some of these players. 

A nice life back in London with his family close by once more, and 325,000 other reasons for him to smile.

Be interesting to see if Poch brings him straight back into the 11 next game after the teams performance last night.

Palmer, Madueke, Nkunku all offering more than him currently.

Hopefully we sell him in the summer. Awful signing.

His form varies massively, on his day with the team playing well hes very useful.

Dont think we should dispose of the few experienced players we have at the moment

60 mins for him 30 mins for madueke seems a good balance switching to 30 60 when form / effectiveness dictates.