1 hour ago, CaitlinCFC said:

Maguire is awful. Why does he continue to play him,

Amazing that some on here actually didn't think he was all that bad. He is bad, he's really bad, Bakayoko levels of bad. I have no idea how he gets into this England team when they have somebody like Tomori waiting.

6 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Familiar theme since 1966 isn't it ?

It's a succession of useless managers that have prevented England from winning trophies.( really) ?

We haven't even reached a WC final since and one losing Euro final .  Even with group stages that almost guaranteed easy passages.

It's not one extreme or the other, there's middle ground between glory and what Southgate is serving up.

Furthermore if we have little chance of winning silverware all the more reason to make the games more fun atleast, Southgate's sh*t on a stick can be only be justified if it comes with hard silver, and he f**ked up his one big chance with some of the most mindblowing decision making I've ever seen.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's not one extreme or the other, there's middle ground between glory and what Southgate is serving up.

Furthermore if we have little chance of winning silverware all the more reason to make the games more fun atleast, Southgate's sh*t on a stick can be only be justified if it comes with hard silver, and he f**ked up his one big chance with some of the most mindblowing decision making I've ever seen.

To be fair though who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to put Gareth Southgate in charge of selecting penalty takers?!

I mean he cost England one European Championship as a player, of course he did the same as a manager.

Edited September 26, 20223 yr by axman2526

On 25/09/2022 at 08:07, Valerie said:

Going from Euros runners up (losing to Italy) to dropping to the B group (losing to Italy) of a competition nobody understands anyway. Consistency!

England NEVER win against Italy Val. Since the turn of the century we have only won one game against them, (a friendly 10 years ago), and have not beaten them in a major competition since 1977.

It doesn't matter who the players or managers are. Tottenham win more games at Stamford Bridge than England do against Italy.

12 hours ago, just said:

England NEVER win against Italy Val. Since the turn of the century we have only won one game against them, (a friendly 10 years ago), and have not beaten them in a major competition since 1977.

It doesn't matter who the players or managers are. Tottenham win more games at Stamford Bridge than England do against Italy.

Yup. Consistency. Consistently horrific 

22 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Well at least Mount and Havertz come back in some decent form. 

That was my thought too. Those goals will hopefully do their confidence the world of good. 

On 24/09/2022 at 18:16, Munkworth said:

Could he not call up Phil Jones too and go with a back three? Worst case scenario is me & @Ballack & Blu get a Nutflix Special out of it.
 

‘Bugger’. 

Ha they were epic Munky

PS, On a more serious note, i hear Bob aint to well again..?

We have had a succession of England managers that at one time or another in their tenure have had under their wing the brightest stars in English football and in the world and yet all of them managed to fcuk it up.   On paper some of the England teams since I've been watching centuries ago should have won the World Cup a few times yet we crumble because of bad managers and horrible tactics / bad team selections.  Unless by some miracle Southgate has a visit from God and he starts  picking players in form rather than his pets we might stand a chance of getting out of the group stages...otherwise the team will be home long before Christmas.

On 28/09/2022 at 09:59, CFCCAN said:

We have had a succession of England managers that at one time or another in their tenure have had under their wing the brightest stars in English football and in the world and yet all of them managed to fcuk it up.   On paper some of the England teams since I've been watching centuries ago should have won the World Cup a few times yet we crumble because of bad managers and horrible tactics / bad team selections.  Unless by some miracle Southgate has a visit from God and he starts  picking players in form rather than his pets we might stand a chance of getting out of the group stages...otherwise the team will be home long before Christmas.

Why do you want to pick in form player over player who you know can do the job for you 😅😅

Let's say Rashford is in form and Kane isn't. Picking Rashford over Kane mean you have to change the way you attack. Nobody will do this just before a big tournament. 

 

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Why do you want to pick in form player over player who you know can do the job for you 😅😅

Let's say Rashford is in form and Kane isn't. Picking Rashford over Kane mean you have to change the way you attack. Nobody will do this just before a big tournament. 

 

Attack Bob?..not a word in Southgate's vocabulary at the moment, so it wouldn't make a bit of difference who he puts up front when he'd rather play 7 or 8 defensive minded players unless his hand is being forced and then it's all reactionary.  Look at Maguire, can't get in the Utd team, Southgate picks him and he was awful yet leaves Tomori without even a sniff of getting any minutes.  Hopefully he will be gone after the WC failure that is inevitable if he continues to pick out of form players. 

1 hour ago, CFCCAN said:

Attack Bob?..not a word in Southgate's vocabulary at the moment, so it wouldn't make a bit of difference who he puts up front when he'd rather play 7 or 8 defensive minded players unless his hand is being forced and then it's all reactionary.  Look at Maguire, can't get in the Utd team, Southgate picks him and he was awful yet leaves Tomori without even a sniff of getting any minutes.  Hopefully he will be gone after the WC failure that is inevitable if he continues to pick out of form players. 

You don't win international tournaments by attacking. Everyone know this. Your 1st,2nd,3rd priority is to prevent your opp from scoring. 

On 01/10/2022 at 16:49, Bob stark said:

You don't win international tournaments by attacking. Everyone know this. Your 1st,2nd,3rd priority is to prevent your opp from scoring. 

It's true that those that win the World Cup don't concede many goals but at the same time scoring has always been the whole point.

France scored 14 goals in the last World Cup.
Germany scored 18 goals in 2014.
Spain scored 8 goals in 2010.
Italy scored 11 goals in 2006.
Brazil scored 18 goals in 2002.

So when you look at the last 5 World Cup winners, you get that on average whoever wins the World Cup manages to score about 2 goals per match.
You could even argue that it's the tiki-taka Spain that ruins the average as they are the only team in the last 5 World Cups that didn't manage to score more than 10 goals in 7 matches but they still scored a goal per match so it goes both ways, if you don't score you can't win the World Cup.

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

It's true that those that win the World Cup don't concede many goals but at the same time scoring has always been the whole point.

France scored 14 goals in the last World Cup.
Germany scored 18 goals in 2014.
Spain scored 8 goals in 2010.
Italy scored 11 goals in 2006.
Brazil scored 18 goals in 2002.

So when you look at the last 5 World Cup winners, you get that on average whoever wins the World Cup manages to score about 2 goals per match.
You could even argue that it's the tiki-taka Spain that ruins the average as they are the only team in the last 5 World Cups that didn't manage to score more than 10 goals in 7 matches but they still scored a goal per match so it goes both ways, if you don't score you can't win the World Cup.

Honestly, I don't even know how to interpret your stats. Wc/euro is a knockout tournament and you play only 7 games and each team play different nation. You can almost take any stats with a grain of salt. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Honestly, I don't even know how to interpret your stats. Wc/euro is a knockout tournament and you play only 7 games and each team play different nation. You can almost take any stats with a grain of salt. 

 

 

Why? Every World Cup is the same, you can't play more matches so those stats are all you'll get. I just took the last 5 winners and basically Spain managed to make a run of winning 1:0 every match so now it comes down to what is more important, to score or not not concede...

Edited October 3, 20223 yr by Gol15

After the Euro's, the FA should be doing all they can to get Mourinho. Watch them f**k it up and stick with Southgate or get another bang average yes man.

16 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

After the Euro's, the FA should be doing all they can to get Mourinho. Watch them f**k it up and stick with Southgate or get another bang average yes man.

Would never happen much too controversial.

On 20/01/2024 at 18:52, Scott Harris said:

After the Euro's, the FA should be doing all they can to get Mourinho. Watch them f**k it up and stick with Southgate or get another bang average yes man.

It'll be Potter.

See no other reason he isn't in another job.

26 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

It'll be Potter.

See no other reason he isn't in another job.

He is being rumoured to take over at Palace as Hodgson is clearly on his way out.

Maybe Eddie Howe will get the boot from Newcastle and get the England job?

26 minutes ago, Nibs said:

He is being rumoured to take over at Palace as Hodgson is clearly on his way out.

Maybe Eddie Howe will get the boot from Newcastle and get the England job?

There's Cooper out of work now too, saw he was linked to the Palace job recently too.

Can see Potter, Howe or Cooper getting the nod from the FA over Jose sadly.

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

There's Cooper out of work now too, saw he was linked to the Palace job recently too.

Can see Potter, Howe or Cooper getting the nod from the FA over Jose sadly.

I know Cooper did well at age group level England positions but would they really give the main gig to a Welshman?

54 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

I know Cooper did well at age group level England positions but would they really give the main gig to a Welshman?

We had Sven before, Could see it happening

Just had a look at the odds online, Potter and Howe lead the way. 

Oddly, Pep is shorter odds than Jose and as short as 5/1 with PP. Some other fairly short priced depressing names included are Carsley and Gerrard

What more does Mainoo have to do to get selected? Think he's the missing piece for England's midfield. 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What more does Mainoo have to do to get selected? Think he's the missing piece for England's midfield. 

He simply has to be Jordan Henderson. Problem solved. 

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