Still slightly irked by our owner's apparent one-size-fits-all approach to transfer negotiations which seems to have cost us De Ligt, specifically a lack of appreciation for the competitive context within which the negotiations for truly elite players are conducted.

Hopefully our owners learn that - as the likes of Liverpool have repeatedly demonstrated - it's worth overpaying for the very best players in order to wrap them up before potential rivals for that player's signature can react.

51 minutes ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

Still slightly irked by our owner's apparent one-size-fits-all approach to transfer negotiations which seems to have cost us De Ligt, specifically a lack of appreciation for the competitive context within which the negotiations for truly elite players are conducted.

Hopefully our owners learn that - as the likes of Liverpool have repeatedly demonstrated - it's worth overpaying for the very best players in order to wrap them up before potential rivals for that player's signature can react.

Yeah have to agree. Sometimes you got to pay for quality. 

De Ligt is still 22, if Bayern wants him then so be it.

Bid for Pau Torres instead

13 hours ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

Still slightly irked by our owner's apparent one-size-fits-all approach to transfer negotiations which seems to have cost us De Ligt, specifically a lack of appreciation for the competitive context within which the negotiations for truly elite players are conducted.

Hopefully our owners learn that - as the likes of Liverpool have repeatedly demonstrated - it's worth overpaying for the very best players in order to wrap them up before potential rivals for that player's signature can react.

Agreed

So disappointed in the lack of ambition from De Ligt, thought he was made of tougher stuff and really wanted to compete with the big boys in a league where you’re not going to just steam roll everyone. Ah well, at least he’s only 22, 4 years later with one year left on this deal he’s still got another big move in him. The only trouble is, at that time Madrid or City might need a centre back, whereas now.. we’re in the driving seat and Bayern don’t tend to spend this big usually. Shame all round.. 

16 minutes ago, Term_X said:

So disappointed in the lack of ambition from De Ligt, thought he was made of tougher stuff and really wanted to compete with the big boys in a league where you’re not going to just steam roll everyone. Ah well, at least he’s only 22, 4 years later with one year left on this deal he’s still got another big move in him. The only trouble is, at that time Madrid or City might need a centre back, whereas now.. we’re in the driving seat and Bayern don’t tend to spend this big usually. Shame all round.. 

I think this is exactly why he has chosen Bayern, a huge money move to City, Real or PSG later.

Just now, axman2526 said:

I think this is exactly why he has chosen Bayern, a huge money move to City, Real or PSG later.

Yea possibly, and since he’s a centre back he might even have at least another big move in him, leave Bayern at 26 years old and at 31/32 one final big deal if he keeps himself in top shape.

One thing I’ve noticed is Bayern using Barcelona’s strategy of putting it out there that ‘x,y,z player only wants them’ and making that a thing in media circles. I do hope our board are smart enough to dig deeper into that but who knows how powerful that can be when all the voices are saying one thing with no direct contact with the player.

Bayern did spent £68m on Hernandez, so they’re not as sensible as it may seem but you’d still think we’d compete ‘knowing’ it’s our big chance whilst the other cash rich clubs are happy with their centre backs. 

15 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Yea possibly, and since he’s a centre back he might even have at least another big move in him, leave Bayern at 26 years old and at 31/32 one final big deal if he keeps himself in top shape.

One thing I’ve noticed is Bayern using Barcelona’s strategy of putting it out there that ‘x,y,z player only wants them’ and making that a thing in media circles. I do hope our board are smart enough to dig deeper into that but who knows how powerful that can be when all the voices are saying one thing with no direct contact with the player.

Bayern did spent £68m on Hernandez, so they’re not as sensible as it may seem but you’d still think we’d compete ‘knowing’ it’s our big chance whilst the other cash rich clubs are happy with their centre backs. 

It's a shame but if De Ligt wants to go there and say Kounde really wants to play for us I would rather sign Kounde. Want to see our side full of players passionate for the cause.

80 million+ for Matthijs de Ligt is a brilliant bit of business for Juventus. Bayern get a wonderful talent, too. Chelsea always reluctant to bid that high in straight cash. Torres, Kimpembe, Gabriel and Bremer all being considered by Juve after missing out on Koulibaly.

Not sure why people are criticizing the board/Boehly over this one. It was completely out of our control. De Ligt clearly preferred Bayern over us and paying even 100mil wouldn't have changed that.

49 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

It's a shame but if De Ligt wants to go there and say Kounde really wants to play for us I would rather sign Kounde. Want to see our side full of players passionate for the cause.

If the reports are true that he desperately wants Bayern and won’t even consider elsewhere then yes I’d agree. 

40 minutes ago, JM7 said:

80 million+ for Matthijs de Ligt is a brilliant bit of business for Juventus. Bayern get a wonderful talent, too. Chelsea always reluctant to bid that high in straight cash. Torres, Kimpembe, Gabriel and Bremer all being considered by Juve after missing out on Koulibaly.

It’s £60m with eventual add ons down the line. Cut price bargain, day light robbery. Juve have been had here.. Bayern must have naked pics of Agnelli.

45 minutes ago, JM7 said:

80 million+ for Matthijs de Ligt is a brilliant bit of business for Juventus. Bayern get a wonderful talent, too. Chelsea always reluctant to bid that high in straight cash. Torres, Kimpembe, Gabriel and Bremer all being considered by Juve after missing out on Koulibaly.

It will be Bremer. He already is at the other local Turin club. 

If Kimpembe leaves he will join us, more likely he stays at PSG as we won't touch that 50mill asking price.

£60m now then about £8.5m in eventual fees down the road. Un-believable bargain honestly. 

I hope to god it’s correct regarding him ONLY wanting Bayern because the transfer fee is peanuts in this day and age.

1 hour ago, Term_X said:

So disappointed in the lack of ambition from De Ligt, thought he was made of tougher stuff and really wanted to compete with the big boys in a league where you’re not going to just steam roll everyone. 

I read that’s the reason his agents pushed him towards a move to Bayern and the German league. They didn’t want to expose him to the grind and physicality of the Premier League as they feared he wasn’t ready for it. Going to Bayern is the easier option. German league isn’t so relentless and you get guaranteed Champions League every year. 

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Not sure why people are criticizing the board/Boehly over this one. It was completely out of our control. De Ligt clearly preferred Bayern over us and paying even 100mil wouldn't have changed that.

he went for the easy option, playing in the Bundesliga with few difficult games

but understandable, at least Bayern are a proper respectable club, unlike Barcelona

Edited July 17, 20224 yr by azpi28

9 hours ago, Term_X said:

£60m now then about £8.5m in eventual fees down the road. Un-believable bargain honestly. 

I hope to god it’s correct regarding him ONLY wanting Bayern because the transfer fee is peanuts in this day and age.

Lol... that's only 10 mill more than what Sevilla want for Kounde. We could paid this a long time ago before Bayern came in and he would've been playing in Vegas for us right now. 

12 hours ago, Term_X said:

£60m now then about £8.5m in eventual fees down the road. Un-believable bargain honestly. 

I hope to god it’s correct regarding him ONLY wanting Bayern because the transfer fee is peanuts in this day and age.

60m is not peanuts at all. Bayern can do it because they have 50m coming in for Lewa and they have a Sulé-shaped hole in their defence. 

It's a case of right timing for Bayern. 

De Jong wants to go to Bayern now apparently. De Jong does not NOT  want to play in England and nor does De Ligt. I wonder why de Ligt doesnt want to play in the best league in the world? I can only see it as a weakness in De Ligt and therefore he is not right for us.

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1 hour ago, TheCeleryKing said:

De Jong wants to go to Bayern now apparently. De Jong does not NOT  want to play in England and nor does De Ligt. I wonder why de Ligt doesnt want to play in the best league in the world? I can only see it as a weakness in De Ligt and therefore he is not right for us.

I suspect becuaee of the other two from that Ajax team, that did come here, one has been meh and teh other is miles, miles out fo his depth. When Tadic was here, who i liked i must admit, he never did better than Soton.

Deep down they know they've not got the stones to compete at this level.

This comes back to society and footballers nowadays. Don't give a rats ar$e about the clubs, the fans, or even trophies in the main. They are footballers to make as much money doing soemthing that they find relatively easy.

If this guy can earn a millionaires living in an easy league, get on TV, endorsements, media rights. Happy days. If he actually gets to be at a club that challenges for the CL each year. Bonus.

I fully expect De Ligt's next club to probably be PSG.

That and De Jong is De Ligts best mate.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

That and De Jong is De Ligts best mate.

De Twins.  As they are called. As I say it would have been nice to have signed both of them.  Not sure, why, but neither of them wants to play in the english game. Maybe they just do not like England?

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

De Twins.  As they are called. As I say it would have been nice to have signed both of them.  Not sure, why, but neither of them wants to play in the english game. Maybe they just do not like England?

The level of intensity would chew them out. De Ligt was nothing against our offense last year and he underperformed ever since he reached Turin. De Jong was also average~above average at best in Spain. 

Playing at Bayern would probably increase their numbers since they'd have more time on the ball and opponents sh*t their pants when facing Bayern. Same would have happened if both joined Man City. 

On 18/07/2022 at 12:13, TheCeleryKing said:

De Jong wants to go to Bayern now apparently. De Jong does not NOT  want to play in England and nor does De Ligt. I wonder why de Ligt doesnt want to play in the best league in the world? I can only see it as a weakness in De Ligt and therefore he is not right for us.

Bayern see the league as minimum requirement and largely whether the opinion of the season is success or failure is often defined with UCL performance.

With us (atleast for now) it would be seen as a good season if we consolidate 3rd and make a good push for the cups.

As I expected for a while, Juve have agreed a 40mill deal to sign Torinos Bremer to replace MDL. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

As I expected for a while, Juve have agreed a 40mill deal to sign Torinos Bremer to replace MDL. 

Whilst we have been faffing around umming and aaahhing before eventually bidding more than that for a player that has openly said he wants to go the Barcelona. Crazy.