I suppose a good motivational tool for the Champions League is 'play well because we as sure as sh*t aren't qualifying for it via the league'.

Just now, PloKoon13 said:

I suppose a good motivational tool for the Champions League is 'play well because we as sure as sh*t aren't qualifying for it via the league'.

At least with Tuchel even when the football was dire sometimes we still turned up against the best teams. I've got no confidence for the knockout stages under Potter

4 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

I don't care if sacking Potter ends up with us mid table,Potter is out of his league, Brighton isn't Chelsea, what bloody expectations are with Brighton,nowhere near to the level of being the Chelsea manager.

Be a nice quick way for Potter to make 60mill. Is ideal for him for Todd to sack him after we lose at Newcastle and him be able to pocket the cash and tell his next employers that "they promised me a long term project, and I did not even get one transfer window".

He will not be sacked period he is here for 3 years minimum. The owners will not move against him they are looking beyond instantaneous success they are looking for a long term successful period.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Be a nice quick way for Potter to make 60mill. Is ideal for him for Todd to sack him after we lose at Newcastle and him be able to pocket the cash and tell his next employers that "they promised me a long term project, and I did not even get one transfer window".

Boehly was the pratt offering so much to Potter,when was the last time an English manager won anything,I certainly didn't want Potter here,sorry axman2526 but the whole long term project was offered by the wrong buyer,who doesn't know football.

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

The thing with giving managers this level of project is they themselves have to be tactically sound, play a style of football that's attractive and have the charisma/allure that draws top players to come and join his project.

Some managers are winners, some bring out the best football in players. What pull does Potter have to bring in the Ronaldo's and Messis of the world into our squad?

We aren't the dominant powerhouse we were back in '08-'15

You're not wrong, I and many other Chelsea fans probably would have preferred a more 'elite' manager for a project like this. But then again, I don't think the point of hiring Potter was to attract the Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe kind of players. Signing the shiniest players in the market hasn't really worked well for us over the last decade. Almost every expensive player we've signed has been a flop other than Hazard, Costa and Fabregas. The future strategy for recruitment seems to be focused on buying up and coming players who can become the finished article at Chelsea versus signing the finished article or these so called 'generational talents'. Targeting nkunku for example IMO is a step in the right direction.

 

No point crying over a spilt milk. Tuchel's gone, it's done. Potter's here now and ne needs to be backed and supported.

Potter for me is the type of a manager that needs time to build the team he wants to build. There are people like Mourinho (back in the day) and Conte that can take over a side and have a phenomenal short term effect. They create a siege mentality, motivate the players, organize tactics with 'defence first' mindset and battle out the results by any means necessary. They can even win a trophy or two along the way. Their playing style doesn't look pretty but it's pragmatic and brings results fairly quickly. The problem with this approach is that it has a short term effect and sooner rather than later it falls apart, the squad implodes etc because the foundations are shaky and primitive. That's why managers like Pep or Klopp can work in one club longer than the likes of JM/Conte. 

The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build but it has staying power, if the manager is backed and trusted.

We're going to get bent over against Newcastle, can't wait

Just now, abramovich said:

No point crying over a spilt milk. Tuchel's gone, it's done. Potter's here now and ne needs to be backed and supported.

Potter for me is the type of a manager that needs time to build the team he wants to build. There are people like Mourinho (back in the day) and Conte that can take over a side and have a phenomenal short term effect. They create a siege mentality, motivate the players, organize tactics with 'defence first' mindset and battle out the results by any means necessary. They can even win a trophy or two along the way. Their playing style doesn't look pretty but it's pragmatic and brings results fairly quickly. The problem with this approach is that it has a short term effect and sooner rather than later it falls apart, the squad implodes etc because the foundations are shaky and primitive. That's why managers like Pep or Klopp can work in one club longer than the likes of JM/Conte. 

The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build but it has staying power, if the manager is backed and trusted.

43% possession and 5 shots all game is progressive forward thinking football?

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

43% possession and 5 shots all game is progressive forward thinking football?

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The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build 

 

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The UK doesn‘t produce world class managers. Sir Alex was an exception. Germany produces world class managers for fun. But our clueless American knew better.

I have no emotional connection with the manager and the team. 

We never lost 2 league games in a row under Tuchel, we've done that now already

Just now, abramovich said:

The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build 

Sorry but this isn't Brighton, he is way over his head and we can all see it.

Just now, abramovich said:

The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build 

And how many years out of the top 4 will we sacrifice to get that? That's revenue lost and players that won't come here without CL football, even players like Reece James might look to leave. Because realistically we aren't getting anywhere near top 4 this year. And next year will be even harder once Newcastle start properly splashing the cash.

2 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Potter's here now and ne needs to be backed and supported.

No he doesn't.

Backed and supported it's earned. Did Villas Boas deserve more backing? Did Scolari? 

Or did Nuno at Tottenham? They become a different side completely under Conte. We have seen that time and time at this club as well, if the manager isn't working out we make the change.

Which is why we are 2x European Champions incidentally. Would never had happened if we didn't make the managerial change.

7 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

You're not wrong, I and many other Chelsea fans probably would have preferred a more 'elite' manager for a project like this. But then again, I don't think the point of hiring Potter was to attract the Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe kind of players. Signing the shiniest players in the market hasn't really worked well for us over the last decade. Almost every expensive player we've signed has been a flop other than Hazard, Costa and Fabregas. The future strategy for recruitment seems to be focused on buying up and coming players who can become the finished article at Chelsea versus signing the finished article or these so called 'generational talents'. Targeting nkunku for example IMO is a step in the right direction.

 

You're not wrong, but upcoming players will still pick the better manager. The reason top clubs have pulling power on anyone is because of the allure of the club's name or who is involved in the project.

We got lucky with Nkunku because we are skirting the transfer rules and even with that we are still paying Leipzig close to €70m. 

It took 3 seasons for Potter to turn Brighton into a top half side, and even that was after a good run at the end of the season. Are we really going to take 3 years of this until we start looking like a top team?

Where potter is blameless is the recruitment since we last won the title. Spent sh*tloads and gone backwards. It’s going to take a while, no matter who is coach, to fix it. So far the summer spend hasn’t been the best either.

1 minute ago, The Brit said:

Where potter is blameless is the recruitment since we last won the title. Spent sh*tloads and gone backwards. It’s going to take a while, no matter who is coach, to fix it. So far the summer spend hasn’t been the best either.

So we got a team that can be torn to shreds by Brighton and it‘s acceptable? I bet any top manager like Simeone, Conte or Mourinho could have come in and at least steadied the ship. Instead we have even become worse since the British fraud arrived.

I know a few want Potter out today and he has undoubtedly made mistakes in some team selections and formations.

But, without Kepa, Fofana, Kante, James and Chilwell we are a different team unfortunately.

We have a bunch of average players as starters and players not motivated for certain matches.

Let’s face it we sing songs about Steven Gerrard and shoehorn Tottenham into The Liquidater, so we are more naturally up for matches against Spurs or Liverpool. We’ve probably got a lot of players who don’t even understand the rivalry with Arsenal, or why teams geographically close to us like QPR, Fulham or Brentford play like men possessed when we are up against them.

Us fans understand it but does someone like Havertz for example?

They dream of midweek Champions League matches under the lights hearing the theme music as they line up.

Like I said Potter has made a few mistakes but sacking him after 2 defeats in 11 matches is pointless IMO because the players are a major problem.

We need a squad overhaul and until that process gets going then even sacking him and replacing him with Pep would lead to similar frustrations.

11 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

43% possession and 5 shots all game is progressive forward thinking football?

Well, there are huge limitations. We have an incredibly slow backline. Azpilicueta, Silva, Koulibaly and Cucrella are not exactly the best suited to playing a high line, so we need to compensate for it by dropping back. Rudiger has been a huge loss. We saw earlier in the season what happens when we play a high line; the opposition just run in behind and can merrily skip their way to the goal.

This obviously restricts the level of positivity we can have in the match. Our attacking in line is not the most creative, also. Our attacking midfield options of Havertz and Mount are not good enough at passing to create any consistency in our forward play. They cannot be relied upon to sustain any form of pressure before giving it away. And likely, it won't end in any chances being created - we have seen this enough over the last 18 months to know this is not going to change, especially for Havertz.

We struggle to control possession without Kante and Kovacic, who are both injured. This, again, will affect our ability to be positive in matches - we cannot take control when our midfield is no better than the oppositions. We have no replacements for these two, so this is not going to change until they come back from injury permanently. 

 

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5 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Where potter is blameless is the recruitment since we last won the title. Spent sh*tloads and gone backwards. It’s going to take a while, no matter who is coach, to fix it. So far the summer spend hasn’t been the best either.

Build a statue of Thomas Tuchel outside Stamford Bridge for winning the UCL with this lot and taking us to 5 finals. Potter ain’t achieving this.

Without Kepa we are on a run of 5 losses out of 5 in the league. He (plus Mings in the first case) stopped us from losing at Villa, Brentford and at home to United.

We've been sliding for years.  The standards in the club are pretty low now, and it just seems too easy for the player.  When do we ever win big games, particularly at home.  From memory:

- Haven't beat Utd in 10 games
- Do not remember the last time we beat Liverpool
- Beat City at home right after the Covid break was over, but that aside, I have to go back to the 3-1 away by memory
- Arsenal away last year, but long overdue
- Recall beating Spurs home and away last season, which doesn't hurt

We are so easy to play against.  Have been for a long time. 

To add to this, when we go behind in the PL, when do we ever get back into the game.  Palace was a shock thanks to a wonder goal.  We are soft.

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1 minute ago, Droy said:

No he doesn't.

Backed and supported it's earned. Did Villas Boas deserve more backing? Did Scolari? 

Or did Nuno at Tottenham? They become a different side completely under Conte. We have seen that time and time at this club as well, if the manager isn't working out we make the change.

Which is why we are 2x European Champions incidentally. Would never had happened if we didn't make the managerial change.

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

There's a currently a massive overhaul going on at the club and we need to get behind that. The owners are building a backroom team to help run the club, or, we go back to the same hire and there's a lot of sh*te leftover from the previous one. Personally, I don't want to keep a hire/fire mentality at this club, we've been nowhere near the top of the league in 6 years and I want us to build something that's going to last long term.