21 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I think that there is a very distinct difference to being a "potter supporter" and Advocating for the sack.

Many, myself included, think that Potter is probably not the answer to our prayers and will not turn into our pep. But to blame him for the blunders of the past is silly. To expect him to turn around the fortunes of a badly failing team (a team very much stagnant and set in their ways for a long time) in such a short period, without a proper pre season, with world cup disruption etc, is unrealistic.

I expect/demand him to show more - to be bolder with selections, tactics/style and public comments. He should show "more" in my opinion.  But all transitions (worth their salt) take time, and to achieve genuine long term change will be a long slog of a process. I expect the owners see this, and therefore don't see potter getting kicked to the curb just yet.

So in the interim - the best thing we can do as supporters is support.... what an odd concept!

 

Haha. Yeah I’m not advocating for any sacking despite being pessimistic. On top of everything, I’m not sure they can afford to sack him 😱. as you say - it’s the lack of personality/impact that’s a real issue. Tuchel, like him or not, had an instant impact, got the players playing to their potential after a couple of games. Short memories as always, but many blamed the weakness of our squad for our woes pre-Tuchel too.
 

Our squad may have issues, and may not be a top 3 squad, but nobody’s going to convince me we don’t have the potential to beat forest, or to be higher than we are in the league. We have players that many seem to have written off that would be nailed on starters in most of the teams that are above us in the league: Kovacic, Mount, Silva, Havertz, even Ziyech… 

36 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I have said before, I think it is more likely than not that Potter is not the right man for the job. I don't however see him getting sacked so soon into the tenure. The vast bulk of our current problems were not created by him, but by the systems and mismanagement of years gone by.  He has been poor and has not worked with the energy and pace that I would have liked to see, but I just can't see them pulling the plug so soon - to do so would make a mockery of their "vision" and "project".

If you don't think Potter is the right man. What good would it do to persist with him?

Not saying you are right or wrong, just genuinely curious.

 

I'm of the give it time approach, most of our crap signings weren't down to potter.Some of the rumoured targets are younger and look the part. Hopefully now our transfer policy will be more clinical. A lot of the blame must go the the players for our dire performances, what more motivation do you need when being privileged  to be a professional footballer earning 100 -200k A f**kING WEEK playing for a top club in the best league in the world, FOR 90 MINUTES A WEEK. It beggars belief.

30 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

I'm of the give it time approach, most of our crap signings weren't down to potter.Some of the rumoured targets are younger and look the part. Hopefully now our transfer policy will be more clinical. A lot of the blame must go the the players for our dire performances, what more motivation do you need when being privileged  to be a professional footballer earning 100 -200k A f**kING WEEK playing for a top club in the best league in the world, FOR 90 MINUTES A WEEK. It beggars belief.

The only wrong part about this post is 100k-200k p/wk. It's actually 100k-350k p/wk

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

If you don't think Potter is the right man. What good would it do to persist with him?

Not saying you are right or wrong, just genuinely curious.

 

I think Potter is the right man, but would prefer him to be a bit bolder. However it would need me to think he's actively disrupting things for me to want him gone. 

Sacking Potter has ramifications that will be hugely significant for years to come. It shows the world that Chelsea are still a club who make knee jerk reactions and seek short term solutions. 

We need to move past thinking the manager is the problem. And a year or two with someone who steadies the ship whilst we resolve our underlying issues in recruitment is the way to go. We need to show the world we are a club with a 10 year plan, not a 6 month plan. 

Roman did that for us when he took us over but in the last 5 years we became a club that had no vision. No plans to renovate the stadium, an awful scouting network, reliant on one or two world class players to get us through cups. 

It's why players like Bellingham, Haaland, had/have no interest in joining us. 

I want us to take our medicine for 1-2 years and see where we are. Then we can look at a new manager if Potter is holding us back. But right now at worst he's holding back this squad from what? Competing for 5th and a quarter final appearance in the CL? 

12 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think Potter is the right man, but would prefer him to be a bit bolder. However it would need me to think he's actively disrupting things for me to want him gone. 

Sacking Potter has ramifications that will be hugely significant for years to come. It shows the world that Chelsea are still a club who make knee jerk reactions and seek short term solutions. 

We need to move past thinking the manager is the problem. And a year or two with someone who steadies the ship whilst we resolve our underlying issues in recruitment is the way to go. We need to show the world we are a club with a 10 year plan, not a 6 month plan. 

Roman did that for us when he took us over but in the last 5 years we became a club that had no vision. No plans to renovate the stadium, an awful scouting network, reliant on one or two world class players to get us through cups. 

It's why players like Bellingham, Haaland, had/have no interest in joining us. 

I want us to take our medicine for 1-2 years and see where we are. Then we can look at a new manager if Potter is holding us back. But right now at worst he's holding back this squad from what? Competing for 5th and a quarter final appearance in the CL? 

what if we finished 15th or below or even relegated? Should we still give him more time at that moment?

One thing that gave Arteta time was winning a trophy. Before that the arsenal fans were turning on him and wanting him gone. Just shows how things change. The league is becoming so competitive now that it's becoming harder to get a 4th league place, let alone win the league. If we sacked Potter, I'm not sure who we bring in that would have us competing domestically.

It is domestically where we've been poor for many seasons now. Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel, now Potter. Even winning the Europa League didn't save Sarri. So I'm not sure how patient this current board will be if things get even worse as we are yet to see or hear about that ruthlessness. 

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by enigma

14 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

what if we finished 15th or below or even relegated? Should we still give him more time at that moment?

I think that would be a sack worthy yes. I doubt the board would allow us to slip that much further tbh. At the end of the day, of course it's also on the coach to do well. With the group of players we have, I don't think we should be worse than where we are.

We need a goalscorer for sure. At the end of the day Arteta did have the benefit of Aubameyang initially and some momentum, but he still got them finishing just outside top four with a group of average/young players. I will defend Potter up until a point of course. I've given it some thought and believe we should be beating Fulham, Palace and West Ham.

Liverpool away is a tricky one, as is playing City tomorrow. If we put up good performances against both those teams and don't look awful and get embarrassed, I will be happy to continue to support Potter. But anything less than 9/10 points in the next five league games I think his job is in trouble. 

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17 minutes ago, enigma said:

One thing that gave Arteta time was winning a trophy. Before that the arsenal fans were turning on him and wanting him gone. Just shows how things change. The league is becoming so competitive now that it's becoming harder to get a 4th league place, let alone win the league. If we sacked Potter, I'm not sure who we bring in that would have us competing domestically.

It is domestically where we've been poor for many seasons now. Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel, now Potter. Even winning the Europa League didn't save Sarri. So I'm not sure how patient this current board will be if things get even worse as we are yet to see or hear about that ruthlessness. 

I have an ESP technique and initially thought Arteta would do well at Arsenal and then they struggled and I did not think he would survive yet he has turned it around and bizarrely thought we caved in last season and was a big part in him keeping it going.

I thought Frank would survive at Everton last season yet not this season, think he will be gone before January is over. I also see Gordon is not playing I guess injured and he is a special player for Frank.

Potter needs time to get the needed players in and then the chance to use them yet as per previous seasons we do seem to like a late transfer and then wonder why the manger has not changed fortunes 72 hours later. Which means we are probably not in a position to judge until March. 

56 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think Potter is the right man,

The right man for what ?

 

54 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

what if we finished 15th or below or even relegated? Should we still give him more time at that moment?

As I said. If I felt Potter's management was actively hurting us, I'd have a different view.

I don't think Potter's management is going to take us that low. I think at worst we will finish 8th this season. Right now I think 5th is very achievable, 4th isn't out of the realm of possibility. I think that's the same bracket a Poch would get this season too if he joined tomorrow. 

However give Potter the summer, a transfer window, clear out some dead wood, and I think personally, we finish higher next season than if we sack him and replace the entire squad and hire Poch. 

Yet if I'm wrong, and we drift down to that level then let's make a move closer to summer. I'd also probably rather we limp to 8th with Potter than sack and rehire just to hopefully at best end up in the Europa next year! 

3 minutes ago, coco said:

The right man for what ?

 

Well personally I think that with 2 or 3 windows and continued investment in the squad, Potter has us challenging for the title. I like how we play when we have our full squad. 

But even if hes not, he's a yes man to the board. I actually think we need that for a bit. 

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Well personally I think that with 2 or 3 windows and continued investment in the squad, Potter has us challenging for the title. I like how we play when we have our full squad. 

But even if hes not, he's a yes man to the board. I actually think we need that for a bit. 

Somehow that does not help me feel any more confident. It's ok having a 'yes man' if the people he's saying yes to actually know what they're doing, which i doubt very much, like sacking a manger just after you bought him a load of players and finding yourself in 10th place by the new year, with a plethora of tough fixtures inbound that could see us in the lower half of the table.

I do admire your vision though.

4 hours ago, JM7 said:

Interesting comments. Though I would add that Craig Burley is consistently negative towards Chelsea. 
 

The owners will get a lot of criticism and stick if they sack Potter after this run - for all their talk of long term. Though I imagine they didn’t expect it to be this bad. 

This is it, I don’t think they expected us to be this bad they probably thought we would be around 6th the lowest but with other teams hitting peak form we could realistically finish 10th and they didn’t expect that at all.

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by El regreso

Just now, coco said:

Somehow that does not help me feel any more confident. It's ok having a 'yes man' if the people he's saying yes to actually know what they're doing, which i doubt very much, like sacking a manger just after you bought him a load of players and finding yourself in 10th place by the new year, with a plethora of tough fixtures inbound that could see us in the lower half of the table.

I do admire your vision though.

The board have a vision based on buying promising young players with a future. I don't want a guy who is going to come in and say oh no we have to sign this 30 year old has been because I think he might get us a few more goals this season and then when they don't get it, mouth off to the press. 

That's how Potter is a yes man. He's hearing their vision and he's going to work to execute it. 

I'm concerned that he's not giving more of our youth a chance in games right now, but I have more faith he's going to bleed them in this season than some of our previous managers. 

Not the biggest fan of ESPN FC, but Leboeuf cares about Chelsea so always interesting to hear his thoughts. You can tell he's frustrated, going red in the face almost 😄

 

 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

The board have a vision based on buying promising young players with a future. I don't want a guy who is going to come in and say oh no we have to sign this 30 year old has been because I think he might get us a few more goals this season and then when they don't get it, mouth off to the press. 

That's how Potter is a yes man. He's hearing their vision and he's going to work to execute it. 

I'm concerned that he's not giving more of our youth a chance in games right now, but I have more faith he's going to bleed them in this season than some of our previous managers. 

The manage and the new owner talk the talk, no doubt, that's the easy bit.

Is it possible to get anymore f**king adverts on this site. 

57 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Well personally I think that with 2 or 3 windows and continued investment in the squad, Potter has us challenging for the title. I like how we play when we have our full squad. 

But even if hes not, he's a yes man to the board. I actually think we need that for a bit. 

why would we need a yes man to the board? Yes man is detrimental in any business

23 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Is it possible to get anymore f**king adverts on this site. 

still less adverts than pornhub i guess

7 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

why would we need a yes man to the board? Yes man is detrimental in any business

I think it’s more pulling in the same direction than a yes man. Obviously that was the problem with TT in that he was not prepared or capable of working with the board so had to go.

Inspiring words tbh. Performances now matter more than points in the grand scheme of things. 

Graham Potter: "As much as we want to win – and I don’t want to sound like it’s acceptable to lose, it’s not – but unfortunately part of the game is dropping points, is not succeeding, you’ve got to suffer and get better.”

#CFC

(@AdamNewson)
 

 

I mean, come on Graham…

13 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Graham Potter: "As much as we want to win – and I don’t want to sound like it’s acceptable to lose, it’s not – but unfortunately part of the game is dropping points, is not succeeding, you’ve got to suffer and get better.”

#CFC

(@AdamNewson)
 

 

I mean, come on Graham…

I think he's right. 

If you want to see real progression, you need to see an up in performance. Winning points doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if the performance is still sh*t. 

19 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Graham Potter: "As much as we want to win – and I don’t want to sound like it’s acceptable to lose, it’s not – but unfortunately part of the game is dropping points, is not succeeding, you’ve got to suffer and get better.”

#CFC

(@AdamNewson)
 

 

I mean, come on Graham…

Much prefer this kind of mentality from great Emma...