I am beginning to think that the team are just incredibly reliant on Reece James and that’s the reason for the struggles. He plays and we look good. As soon as he went off, the teams head dropped (confirmed by Potter). Think we’re just too reliant on him. 

On 02/01/2023 at 20:06, Gol15 said:

The point is to not drop out of top 4, if Lampard could do it without anyone actually expecting him to do it while the club lost our best player and had a transfer ban...

... Surely Potter that is more experienced and that has a better squad on paper in comparison, alongside with a huge buff of a player like Enzo Fernandez in January should finish top 4 as well.

If he fails to do so he'll be the first since Conte's second season to fail to finish in top 4. That would be the biggest reason to sack him, if he has any real ability for greatness he would be able to keep us in top 4 after a record breaking signing in the January transfer window, others didn't have that luxury and they made it top 4 anyway.

If Potter is eventually not good, it won't matter, the point is to be good enough this season.

Didn't we win the league after finishing 10th ?. Something like that, can't be bothered to fact check. Can't see top 4 at all .

Blimey, we’re in 10th now. In theory, we could drop down to 11th depending on goal difference. Villa won’t be far behind us given their form. This is crazy. 

Just have to get that third CL star I suppose. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Just have to get that third CL star I suppose. 

That would require an even bigger miracle than Munich. 

5 minutes ago, JM7 said:

That would require an even bigger miracle than Munich. 

I mean Kante, Chilwell, and James stay fit. 

Enzo comes in. 

Badiashile provides more assurance than Koulibaly. 

 

Anything can happen. 

Brighton have improved under their new manager. We did them a few favours, they should be grateful not hate us lol 

9 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Brighton have improved under their new manager. We did them a few favours, they should be grateful not hate us lol 

No they haven't. They're the same excellent some weeks poor others.

First time Potter said we under performed, a good change from the usual ' we gave everything ' cliche. He probably realised he can't afford to be Mr nice teacher all the time, there has to be a line in the sand for standard.

I agree, he's getting too big for Brighton at the time we bought him in, of course Brighton kept a poker face on and got the best deal. Their finical future is secured thanks to Boehly and Chelsea.

1 minute ago, icecoolguy22 said:

First time Potter said we under performed, a good change from the usual ' we gave everything ' cliche. He probably realised he can't afford to be Mr nice teacher all the time, there has to be a line in the sand for standard.

I agree, he's getting too big for Brighton at the time we bought him in, of course Brighton kept a poker face on and got the best deal. Their finical future is secured thanks to Boehly and Chelsea.

I think he's stopped saying "the boys gave everything" for the same reason Brendan stopped saying great character. He realised he was getting memed with it.

55 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Blimey, we’re in 10th now. In theory, we could drop down to 11th depending on goal difference. Villa won’t be far behind us given their form. This is crazy. 

Better cheer the spuds on then. Don't see us beating city.

4 hours ago, timetowaste said:

So because Potter's not sticking new 19 year old signings that have hardly played any senior football into Chelsea's starting line up a few months into his tenure at not even the halfway point of the season my point isn't agreeable?

Mate just be patient, this is a long term project.

The term I used was a lot more agreeable.  

We are in terrible form and there is zero inspiration or solution coming from the manager. A long term project/vision is achieved by accomplishing milestones bit by bit. You don't achieve a long term project just by waiting 2 years and suddenly things magically improve

10th now

lets see what are the new excuses from those Potter supporters when we dropped to 13-15th or even fighting relegation

they might say the usual crap like 'well back in the 80s we are relegation candidates anyway...'

5 hours ago, JM7 said:

I am beginning to think that the team are just incredibly reliant on Reece James and that’s the reason for the struggles. He plays and we look good. As soon as he went off, the teams head dropped (confirmed by Potter). Think we’re just too reliant on him. 

I don't think it is about relying on Reece James. I even said this after bournemuth game and before forest game. 

We need to get more either from jorgi or Denis on the ball. 

A real test tomorrow.  Not expecting anything, and can't remember the last time we consistently competed against the big sides.  Hell we can't even compete with most sides in the league now.

That said, Potter, inject some damn spirit, will and determination into this team.  I want to see them run like it actually means something. 

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

10th now

lets see what are the new excuses from those Potter supporters when we dropped to 13-15th or even fighting relegation

they might say the usual crap like 'well back in the 80s we are relegation candidates anyway...'

Out of interest - who are the potter supporters you allude to?

I am on this forum pretty regularly, and I am not sure I have ever seen anyone say that Potter is doing a fantastic job, over achieving or is the right man for the position. 

So come on - name names. 

One of my favorite former players, Frank Lebouf, among with Craig Burley and Shaka Hislop on ESPN, have been discussing what is going on at our club and laying in to Todd Boehly and the consortium.

From their own sources they don't believe Potter will be given time to sort the mess out, that he is being forced to play certain players and does not have the say on transfers that was expected.

They said, despite our new boardroom team, we are chasing players other teams have tried for first with no real plan for using them, like the lad at Shaktar  Arsenal want.

They said Todd is trying to put his own mark down and be like Roman was at the beginning, only is doing a poor job of it, not knowing what he is doing and wasting money. That he is looking to burn through most of the promised 1.75billion for the stadium, developments and teams on buying players and managers along.

They ended on speculating the axe is being sharpened already and back to back losses to City may well see it swung. If so when you factor in paying off TT and his staff, paying the buyout for Potter and his staff, then sacking them could be a total of what? 100mill. What madness.

I continue to have concerns regarding our clubs long term future under this ownership. 

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by axman2526

8 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Didn't we win the league after finishing 10th ?. Something like that, can't be bothered to fact check. Can't see top 4 at all .

It’s a massive advantage, no European football. Big hit on the finances though.

3 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Out of interest - who are the potter supporters you allude to?

I am on this forum pretty regularly, and I am not sure I have ever seen anyone say that Potter is doing a fantastic job, over achieving or is the right man for the position. 

So come on - name names. 

not going to witch hunt

No one said he is going a fantastic jobs, but some of them despite the evidence of him performing poorly and far below standard, still insist on keeping him insist of sacking him, for some weird reason

5 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Out of interest - who are the potter supporters you allude to?

I am on this forum pretty regularly, and I am not sure I have ever seen anyone say that Potter is doing a fantastic job, over achieving or is the right man for the position. 

So come on - name names. 

Dont waste your time on that twatter idiot. 

14 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Offload players window after window. Starting with the most likely we can recoup funds from. Gallagher, Pulisic, Ziyech, etc. 

 

Suspected that was the answer. New players won't change much if there is no actual plan and idea to our football.
To be successful in the transfer market you need to buy players that fit a certain style of play and a certain system.

And we do not have that at the moment! And that burden falls on the manager in its entirety. 

Until the World Cup break Potter spent months trying to get a back three system to work - Didn't manage to do it.
Now after the break we are attempting a 4-3-3 - Still not working.

And one could even mention that one of the lads you want to sell (Gallagher) was one of the very best midfielders in the league last season in 4-3-3. Yet when the manager attempts that here Gallagher is on the bench in favour of Zakaria and Jorginho and calls for him to be sold are made. It's all baffling.

The manager is floundering, it's clear as day and I would even question if any of our players retain any confidence in him. I know one thing and that is that he desperately need a win tomorrow, I know it's extremely unlikely but he's not far off from losing the entire dressing room now.

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by OriginalS

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

One of my favorite former players, Frank Lebouf, among with Craig Burley and Shaka Hislop on ESPN, have been discussing what is going on at our club and laying in to Todd Boehly and the consortium.

From their own sources they don't believe Potter will be given time to sort the mess out, that he is being forced to play certain players and does not have the say on transfers that was expected.

They said, despite our new boardroom team, we are chasing players other teams have tried for first with no real plan for using them, like the lad at Shaktar  Arsenal want.

They said Todd is trying to put his own mark down and be like Roman was at the beginning, only is doing a poor job of it, not knowing what he is doing and wasting money. That he is looking to burn through most of the promised 1.75billion for the stadium, developments and teams on buying players and managers along.

They ended on speculating the axe is being sharpened already and back to back losses to City may well see it swung. If so when you factor in paying off TT and his staff, paying the buyout for Potter and his staff, then sacking them could be a total of what? 100mill. What madness.

I continue to have concerns regarding our clubs long term future under this ownership. 

I give limited weight to what Shaka Hislop or Bitter Burley say. Burley is always very anti chelsea with his views and analysis. 

LeBoeuf, as much as I liked him as a player - I don't see having all that many "ins" into the current set up, and it's more than likely that he is speculating or going on loose gossip without any real insight. Much like all of us!

I have said before, I think it is more likely than not that Potter is not the right man for the job. I don't however see him getting sacked so soon into the tenure. The vast bulk of our current problems were not created by him, but by the systems and mismanagement of years gone by.  He has been poor and has not worked with the energy and pace that I would have liked to see, but I just can't see them pulling the plug so soon - to do so would make a mockery of their "vision" and "project".

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

One of my favorite former players, Frank Lebouf, among with Craig Burley and Shaka Hislop on ESPN, have been discussing what is going on at our club and laying in to Todd Boehly and the consortium.

From their own sources they don't believe Potter will be given time to sort the mess out, that he is being forced to play certain players and does not have the say on transfers that was expected.

They said, despite our new boardroom team, we are chasing players other teams have tried for first with no real plan for using them, like the lad at Shaktar  Arsenal want.

They said Todd is trying to put his own mark down and be like Roman was at the beginning, only is doing a poor job of it, not knowing what he is doing and wasting money. That he is looking to burn through most of the promised 1.75billion for the stadium, developments and teams on buying players and managers along.

They ended on speculating the axe is being sharpened already and back to back losses to City may well see it swung. If so when you factor in paying off TT and his staff, paying the buyout for Potter and his staff, then sacking them could be a total of what? 100mill. What madness.

I continue to have concerns regarding our clubs long term future under this ownership. 

Interesting comments. Though I would add that Craig Burley is consistently negative towards Chelsea. 
 

The owners will get a lot of criticism and stick if they sack Potter after this run - for all their talk of long term. Though I imagine they didn’t expect it to be this bad. 

2 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

not going to witch hunt

No one said he is going a fantastic jobs, but some of them despite the evidence of him performing poorly and far below standard, still insist on keeping him insist of sacking him, for some weird reason

I think that there is a very distinct difference to being a "potter supporter" and Advocating for the sack.

Many, myself included, think that Potter is probably not the answer to our prayers and will not turn into our pep. But to blame him for the blunders of the past is silly. To expect him to turn around the fortunes of a badly failing team (a team very much stagnant and set in their ways for a long time) in such a short period, without a proper pre season, with world cup disruption etc, is unrealistic.

I expect/demand him to show more - to be bolder with selections, tactics/style and public comments. He should show "more" in my opinion.  But all transitions (worth their salt) take time, and to achieve genuine long term change will be a long slog of a process. I expect the owners see this, and therefore don't see potter getting kicked to the curb just yet.

So in the interim - the best thing we can do as supporters is support.... what an odd concept!

 

M

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I think that there is a very distinct difference to being a "potter supporter" and Advocating for the sack.

Many, myself included, think that Potter is probably not the answer to our prayers and will not turn into our pep. But to blame him for the blunders of the past is silly. To expect him to turn around the fortunes of a badly failing team (a team very much stagnant and set in their ways for a long time) in such a short period, without a proper pre season, with world cup disruption etc, is unrealistic.

I expect/demand him to show more - to be bolder with selections, tactics/style and public comments. He should show "more" in my opinion.  But all transitions (worth their salt) take time, and to achieve genuine long term change will be a long slog of a process. I expect the owners see this, and therefore don't see potter getting kicked to the curb just yet.

So in the interim - the best thing we can do as supporters is support.... what an odd concept!

 

Good post. The problem will be is that he has already largely lost the fans. I don’t hear too many supporters. The mood in the dressing room also appears negative. It’s very hard to turn it around once the dressing room and fans turn.