The only thing Potter has given this club is a mid table mentality, where losing only 1-0 doesn't feel that bad

Welcom to the future.

11 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

The only thing Potter has given this club is a mid table mentality, where losing only 1-0 doesn't feel that bad

If James and Kante were playing, then maybe you'd be right. But the numbers of players in the medical room, losing 1-0 with at least some aggression, heart and a tonne of kids on the pitch is probably the best we could hope for from any manager

Edited January 5, 20233 yr by bisright1

From minute 0-80' only 1 shot on target and that was from long range that went right into the keepers hands.

At home.

Vs a team that doesn't park the bus.

WTF are the instructions, go try your best and don't worry in 2 years we'll manage to beat them?

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If James and Kante were playing, then maybe you'd be right. But the numbers of players in the medical room, losing 1-0 with at least some aggression, heart and a tonne of kids on the pitch is probably the best we could hope for from any manager

Fairs, we contained them a bit at least, if it wasn't for injuries the kids wouldn't have played though

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I get the long term project. It makes sense to try to change our structure,  to go for a younger group of players, playing a more entertaining brand of football. I didn't want Tuchel to be sacked but I wasn't averse to Potter as the plan made sense. 

But the way this is going I am really not sure that he is up to this. I don't see any progression at all. I wonder if the players actually buy in to him as well. Even the back room staff as well. With no disrespect meant at all if you are a world cup international footballer and you have Billy Reid telling you that you're not fit enough, are these blokes really paying any attention. 

I dont want it to be like that but in this self obsessed, pampered footballer environment nowadays would I be surprised that these guys are not responding to the message from Potter and his team.  Probably not.

If he does get bombed who would replace him. Probably Luis Enrique would be the media darling. Would he fit in with the vision and the long term project. I doubt it and he hasn't done particularly well with the Spanish team.

Bl00dy hell 

If the owners do blink and make a chance, I honestly don't think there will be a big turnaround any time soon. The squad needs a total rebuild regardless of who is manager, and that will take time.

The early injuries didn't help, although he should have bought o the subs earlier after clear warning signs after 50-55 minutes. You got 5 subs, why leave them until you go behind? Most of us got to the stage where we don't feel that upset after a loss or draw against some bottom teams, at least 12 months ago we'd have a real dig at the manager and the players, not that helps with anything but at least we had a top 6 standard.

Got to give the guy some credit, he's taken over an underperforming team- and helped them underperform to spectacular new levels. Absymal.

Good first half, sh*t first 15 mins or so, better last half an hour. With the 2 new injuries in the first that means we've now got 6/7 starters injured. When it rains it pours.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Fairs, we contained them a bit at least, if it wasn't for injuries the kids wouldn't have played though

Hall wouldn't because Chilwell is better. He deserves a run ahead of Cucu though.

Hutchinson looked as average, if not worse, as every one of our forward line. 

Chuk played well, he deserves a run but not 100% that he's improving the team. 

There's a reason our underperforming stars still get selected ahead of our kids. Because the reality is our kids aren't going to be better

Decent enough performance at times against a City side that looked really off.

But it's 1 win in 8 now. 1 win in 9 if you count every domestic game. It's a crisis, no other way to put it.

7 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

The early injuries didn't help, although he should have bought o the subs earlier after clear warning signs after 50-55 minutes. You got 5 subs, why leave them until you go behind? Most of us got to the stage where we don't feel that upset after a loss or draw against some bottom teams, at least 12 months ago we'd have a real dig at the manager and the players, not that helps with anything but at least we had a top 6 standard.

We only had one sub round left. So any sub he makes is the last one. And who does he bring on? Hutchinson looked w**k. Gallagher did a lot of running but did he add anything? 

My only gripe here is that Cucu could have been pulled earlier as Hall does feel like a much better option for us. But if he makes that decision at 55 then he can't make another change for the rest of the game. 

Edited January 5, 20233 yr by bisright1

There are probably going to be a lot of "Potter out" as per usual but people keep forgetting the amount of injuries we have. Even Tuchel from his first season with us wouldn't get much out of the current squad. You can't tell me that we would be getting the same results as the past few games now with a fully fit James, Kante, Chillwel etc.

My main gripe with Potter is that he is continuing to play players that shouldn't be anywhere near a Chelsea jersey. Taking off Auba today and bringing on some of the younger players was a good start until we get our key players back.

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Hall wouldn't because Chilwell is better. He deserves a run ahead of Cucu though.

Hutchinson looked as average, if not worse, as every one of our forward line. 

Chuk played well, he deserves a run but not 100% that he's improving the team. 

There's a reason our underperforming stars still get selected ahead of our kids. Because the reality is our kids aren't going to be better

At least the kids will get better and better if they get played often, which will help us in the long run. Playing the same old dross isn't going to help us.

 

We're finishing mid table either way under Potter, might as well play the kids.

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

We only had one sub round left. So any sub he makes is the last one. And who does he bring on? Hutchinson looked w**k. Gallagher did a lot of running but did he add anything? 

My only gripe here is that Cucu could have been pulled earlier as Hall does feel like a much better option for us. 

Hutchinson was poor but many on here have been calling for him to get a start. Looking at the bench it wasn't like we were overflowing with attacking alternatives either. 

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

At least the kids will get better and better if they get played often, which will help us in the long run. Playing the same old dross isn't going to help us.

 

We're finishing mid table either way under Potter, might as well play the kids.

We're finishing mid table either way, with or without Potter. Another manager isn't suddenly going to polish a diamond out of this turd.

1 win in 8. 

At the moment we dont look like scoring at all. 

We looked a more dangerous side with Werner and Lukaku.

James and Chilwell returning will help, but it's pretty worrying how completely toothless we look. 

Nkunku looks close to returning from injury, wonder if theres any chance of him coming in January?

5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

At least the kids will get better and better if they get played often, which will help us in the long run. Playing the same old dross isn't going to help us.

 

We're finishing mid table either way under Potter, might as well play the kids.

It's not run yet. City Newcastle and Arsenal are a step ahead, but United have a thin squad and if they have a couple of injuries will look poor. Liverpool and Tottenham aren't playing much better than us right now! 

We can beat Liverpool even with this threadbare team, we can get a run against the bottom half. We could see us at a surprising position in the league in a few months time. 

Or at a minimum, let's see where we are in a month before we give up the ghost and just bleed kids in. 

Edited January 5, 20233 yr by bisright1

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

We're finishing mid table either way, with or without Potter. Another manager isn't suddenly going to polish a diamond out of this turd.

Tuchel was getting far more out of this bunch than Potter currently is.

 

Potter has 15 points from 11 games so far, that's low mid table form. Tuchel got Top 4 comfortably and two cup finals with the same group of players.

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

It's not run yet. City Newcastle and Arsenal are a step ahead, United have a thin squad and if they have a couple of.injuries will look poor. Liverpool and Tottenham aren't playing much better than us right now! 

We can beat Liverpool even with this threadbare team, we can get a run against the bottom half. We could see us at a surprising position in the league in a few months time. 

Or at a minimum, let's see where we are in a month before we give up the ghost and just bleed kids in. 

I hope your're right. Tottenham just smashed Palace 4-0 away recently, they're inconsistent but Conte knows how to win. United are getting better and better from the looks of it as well. 

 

Liverpool are looking a bit weak though, I could see Klopp walking after this season.

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  Graham Potter took over at Chelsea when they were 5th & 5 pts from 1st position Today, they are 10th & 19 pts from the 1st position.

  Tell me, what process exactly are we trusting with Potter???

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel was getting far more out of this bunch than Potter currently is.

 

Potter has 15 points from 11 games so far, that's low mid table form. Tuchel got Top 4 comfortably and two cup finals with the same group of players.

TBF Tuchel didn't have as many injuries in the squad, he had Rudiger, Alonso and Christensen, an in-form Mendy and Mount, and Azpi hadn't lost his legs yet. There are too many mitigating circumstances between our team then and now to actually make a fair comparison that a new manager will turn our performances around like Tuchel did when he took over from Lampard. If Potter had a full squad and as good as players as that Chelsea team I would agree with you.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I hope your're right. Tottenham just smashed Palace 4-0 away recently, they're inconsistent but Conte knows how to win. United are getting better and better from the looks of it as well. 

 

Liverpool are looking a bit weak though, I could see Klopp walking after this season.

Tottenham could have been 2 nil down at half time and Conte is sounding very much like he did when he managed us in the second season. I think that result flattered them massively and is going to be an outlier. 

I still genuinely think we're finishing above them. 

Edited January 5, 20233 yr by bisright1

8 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Tottenham could have been 2 nil down at half time and Conte is sounding very much like he did when he managed us in the second season. I think that result flattered them massively and is going to be an outlier. 

I still genuinely think we're finishing above them. 

I agree. Even though Spurs won that game comfortably in the end, they looked awful until they scored, and Conte does not look happy. I think Newcastle and Manchester United are far more likely to round off the top 4.

I'm confused to what a long-term project is supposed to be for an elite club when your hire someone unproven at the elite level. 

Only Boehly can answer, but does he expect someone that's never managed at the elite level to just pick up an elite team and do well. No he expects that halfway through his 5 year tenure, whilst in the present we do what exactly? 

Also if Potter hasn't coached at this level hasn't won any significant trophies, is he expected to just learn on the job and beat the likes of Klopp, Pep, Conte, Emery, Arteta etc. 

In my honest opinion Chelsea have a rare opportunity now, in 2 years Pep and Klopp will be gone it's imperative we find the next best coach before Liverpool or City get them so we can at least try to dominate. That ladies and gentleman is not Potter, you won't see either of those clubs touch him. In fact by appointing him and sticking him out we're sabotaging ourselves from being in the race for whichever elite coach is available once that time comes.

Tuchel was that person for me, I'm sure there's someone else out there, but we need the next Mourinho not Graham Potter. Being nice to players and being their best friend might work for Southgate but at club level that very rarely creates success unless you're Zidane and you're proven as a player then they won't question you. 

Potter is a nice guy and sadly nice guys finish last, with him we won't make top 6. It might sound harsh but it's reality. Newcastle have replaced us as a top 6 team this season even with how bad Liverpool have been they're still ahead of us.

We are currently the 10th best team in the country,falling 3 places since TT left which was after 6 games whereas GP has had double the amount of games and has us in a worse position. 

I've never once wanted a Chelsea manager sacked, but these are trying times. We all loved Frank but we could instantly see the difference when we had a world class manager. It felt like we had the squad but not the coach. Right now for some we don't have the coach or the squad. 

It's time Graham shows some character now, you cant keep clapping the players when they miss a chance or make a mistake. They won't respect you if you can't be stern. At this rate it won't be long until we see a repeat of 15/16 season where they actively try to get him sacked