imagine having a job that you know you wont get sacked no matter how sh*t and terrible you perform

 

must be nice right?

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Exactly. I am really not sure what point he is trying to make. Is he implying that without a Russian oligarch we won't be able to buy ourselves out of trouble. What whilst we potentially stand on the crest of the biggest player spend across two windows in our history. Is he stating that we now need to get used to mediocrity from the performances now that the owner has changed. No sh*t. Or is he saying that it is more stable for the manager now that Boehly is in charge. If so I would keep quiet about it and count your blessings Graham....oh and the 12m each year of course.

As has already been mentioned, if anyone bothered to read more than the misleading headline from a sh*t newspaper, he's saying that he joined to build long lasting success. Not a short term fix. Which means we are going to suffer before we become great. Instead of what the media expect with Chelsea under roman which is short term success followed by failure and a consistent (6 seasons now) failure to compete for the title. 

55 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

imagine having a job that you know you wont get sacked no matter how sh*t and terrible you perform

 

must be nice right?

Its actually nicer knowing that everyone expects you to be sacked after 18 months, receive a big pay out and you can still walk into a job like Everton, United, Tottenham, Milan, Juventus without any controversy. 

Potter has to succeed here or he won't get another top job again. Because he's being given all the rope to hang himself. 

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by bisright1

I thought his response was unnecessary, sure the reporters were winding him up a bit to get a story, but he knew he's not going to get the sack from the boss this season, just ignore it and move on to talk about the actual game. All he managed do was actually helped the reporters to create a story, and remind the fans again about the sh1t we are currently in ( we all know it and do no need a reminder 🥸 ). He's a Chelsea manager, as soon as someone dragged him into a question regarding Brighton, he could have stopped answering and let the past go.

But who knows, maybe that's his way of getting worked up and drive the players.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Carragher said something that was right the other day. He said with United, the assumption was that they were 5 years away from City. However, the right manager like Ten Hag and you’re alot closer than you think.  
 

Tuchel showed that as well. He may not have dominated the league but we got closer. 

19/20 pts isn't really that much closer, and even with a better team we still finished off a little better than Utd. In recent seasons we just about finished ahead of Leicester to make top four. Although I do think that context should be taken into account. The league has been incredibly competitive for the past 3/4 seasons. This season is even more competitive as Arsenal have found form and Newcastle too.

I would say Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool have remained inconsistent. Man Utd to their credit have been getting results and I think a large part of their new found form is due to Rashford performing better and Casemiro providing that stability in midfield. So far we have nobody up top like Rashford to get points for us, and our own Casemiro in Kante has been injured all season so we haven't had stability in midfield. Missing two or three key players really does affect a team's form. 

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by enigma

36 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

As has already been mentioned, if anyone bothered to read more than the misleading headline from a sh*t newspaper, he's saying that he joined to build long lasting success. Not a short term fix. Which means we are going to suffer before we become great. Instead of what the media expect with Chelsea under roman which is short term success followed by failure and a consistent (6 seasons now) failure to compete for the title. 

I'm not sure that being the most successful club in the country over a sustained 20 year period should be deemed short termism followed by failure. Regardless of what is the fashionable narrative nowadays, and i am not accusing you of holding this approach, our club had virtually no success over an 80 year period followed by an unprecedented continuous level of success. We are yet to see whether the new model will be successful.  We all hope so but Having been a fan of this club since our unsuccessful league Cup final in 1972 I thank God for Roman Abramovich's approach to ownership of our club.

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I'm not sure that being the most successful club in the country over a sustained 20 year period should be deemed short termism followed by failure. Regardless of what is the fashionable narrative nowadays, and i am not accusing you of holding this approach, our club had virtually no success over an 80 year period followed by an unprecedented continuous level of success. We are yet to see whether the new model will be successful.  We all hope so but Having been a fan of this club since our unsuccessful league Cup final in 1972 I thank God for Roman Abramovich's approach to ownership of our club.

I loved Roman as an owner, but every football fan in the world knows since 2010 we've been a club that has a good year, then a bad year, then a good year. And we've not competed for the league since 2017. 

Roman created the foundations of a great club, the academy is world class and we continue to reap the benefits on the field and off it. But we would hire a manager, gave them what they wanted, won something, and then struggled to get top 4 and they got sacked. That's why we were successful. But it's also probably why we haven't won the league since 2017.

The new owners want to do it different. Maybe it won't work, or maybe it'll get us back to the top table of English clubs consistently and we can start competing for talent that currently laughs at joining us. But regardless it is a different approach and that's what Potter was referring to. 

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by bisright1

The last 5 years under Roman definitely lack proper thought vision (or we didn’t hear about it anyway). We may have won trophies but I don’t think we could have considered ourselves one of the top clubs. Excluding the CL win, most of the trophies we won in the last few years where all minor trophies. 
 

That said, I’m ungrateful at all. I think the politics around Roman in the last few years intensified with him being unable to come to the Uk etc. it’s understandable. Don’t doubt his commitment, it just became a little more difficult. 

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by JM7

14 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Every manager under Roman signed players with the mindset that they needed to win a trophy immediately. That's not rebuilding. That's papering over cracks. 

Rebuilding takes time and it means taking your medicine by not buying players to fix a gap, but buying players that will benefit the squad long term. 

But no it doesn't mean we should be happy being top 10. I won't be happy if we finish 10th and neither will Potter. This team is good enough to finish 6th or 7th, and I think it will. And next season we shouldnt be happy if we finish outside the top 4, because we need to see improvement.

But more importantly, it means that Potter will need to finish higher and higher each year. If we aren't competing for the league in 2-3 years time, he's failed. And that's not a small ask as we haven't competed for the league since 16/17.  

If we aren't in the title race 24/25, Potter will be fired, I have no doubt. No manager has been fired for that lofty a reason at Chelsea since Ancelotti. Everyone since has been fired because they aren't finishing top 4.

I do want to say that I believe that what you call as papering over cracks was a partial rebuilding while still trying to be competitive.

When other teams lost their successful generation they went out of the spotlight for a time, e.g. AC Milan, Inter and you can even argue Barcelona and Man United as well but this hasn't happened to us because of that strong will to be competitive and to just deal with the things as they come while not surrendering our positoin that easily. While it wasn't a full rebuild it's not fair to say that it wasn't at all rebuilding the team.

After all before Roman was forced to sell the club we were getting some younger prospects as a hope that they might become top players in the future, the fact that it didn't work out with most of them doesn't mean that an attempt of building a new generation wasn't a long term goal of the previous people making all the shots and during those final years of Roman we actually started to include more of your youth products as well. So it wasn't really just buying success anymore which did mark the first years of Roman, it was the opposite.

Now I do agree that essentially Potter will feel the pressure as time goes by and specially if we spend a lot in the summer, which I believe the new owners will be looking to do.
With that said though I believe that the squad that Potter inherited isn't bad at all, you don't go from a top 4 and winning the CL to top 10 that fast though the amount of injuries we have had do make life for Potter much more difficult than it should have been and for that he has an excuse and fair enough I give him that.

With all that said, I'm convinced that it's ultimately Potter that has to have a vision, the owners won't be in a position to make a vision for him no matter how much they are willing to spend. Like Mourinho that simply and blatantly said to Roman just to buy Drogba, for example, Potter needs to fully understand just how much of an impact he can make both for good and bad.

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by Gol15

11 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The last 5 years under Roman definitely lack proper thought vision (or we didn’t hear about it anyway). We may have won trophies but I don’t think we could have considered ourselves one of the top clubs. Excluding the CL win, most of the trophies we won in the last few years where all minor trophies. 
 

That said, I’m ungrateful at all. I think the politics around Roman in the last few years intensified with him being unable to come to the Uk etc. it’s understandable. Don’t doubt his commitment, it just became a little more difficult. 

I think it's the opposite, in the last years we have seen more and more academy products and the big signings were mostly younger players that were projected to be top players in the future. We were unable to challenge for the league but the vision of making a new young squad full of good players was there even if most of them didn't work out.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I do want to say that I believe that what you call as papering over cracks was a partial rebuilding while still trying to be competitive.

When other teams lost their successful generation they went out of the spotlight for a time, e.g. AC Milan, Inter and you can even argue Barcelona and Man United as well but this hasn't happened to us because of that strong will to be competitive and to just deal with the things as they come while not surrendering our positoin that easily. While it wasn't a full rebuild it's not fair to say that it wasn't at all rebuilding the team.

After all before Roman was forced to sell the club we were getting some younger prospects as a hope that they might become top players in the future, the fact that it didn't work out with most of them doesn't mean that an attempt of building a new generation wasn't a long term goal of the previous people making all the shots and during those final years of Roman we actually started to include more of your youth products as well. So it wasn't really just buying success anymore which did mark the first years of Roman, it was the opposite.

Now I do agree that essentially Potter will feel the pressure as time goes by and specially if we spend a lot in the summer, which I believe the new owners will be looking to do.
With that said though I believe that the squad that Potter inherited isn't bad at all, you don't go from a top 4 and winning the CL to top 10 that fast though the amount of injuries we have had do make life for Potter much more difficult than it should have been and for that he has an excuse and fair enough I give him that.

With all that said, I'm convinced that it's ultimately Potter that has to have a vision, the owners won't be in a position to make a vision for him no matter how much they are willing to spend. Like Mourinho that simply and blatantly said to Roman just to buy Drogba, for example, Potter needs to fully understand just how much of an impact he can make both for good and bad.

And ultimately that's why they hired him and why he joined, they believe he's going to bring that vision and he believed he will get the time to make it happen, whereas tuchel by all accounts got frustrated with being asked for his input and just wanted to get on with coaching. 

19 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Normally I wouldn't, but when form is as bad as ours, I will take anything. I'll share what @OriginalS just shared on the other thread.

 

How can you say this isn't bottom half of the table trajectory?

That is damning.  Subjectively been discussing with family and friends the worse Chelsea team I can remember since perhaps 1991-93, largely due to me following since 1990 and the good times we've all enjoyed really since Hoddle and Gullit.

But wow, its that bad.  Guess you can cut data any way, but stats don't lie either!  I spend more time looking down the table than up right now. 

People go on about us needing stability and sticking with a manager, but it has to be the right man.

Where would we be if we'd given stability and a 5-year project to AVB? Or Scolari? Or Avram Grant?

The manager has to show that he is actually capable of producing results and performances, and that he knows what he's doing. I have not seen anything from potter yet.

Also, it's probably been said already, but that 3rd City goal absolutely epitomises everything Chelsea can't do - neat, controlled touches, quick passes, quick switches, runs off the ball. It looked so good, but in reality, it is so simple. We can't pass, we can barely control the ball, we make few runs and those are do are never found with a pass, we play slowly, sideways and backwards. How many times must we do the hard part of breaking their press, getting it forward, only to recycle back to kepa and have to do it all over again?

I am so sick to death of this sh*t.

Potter has to go. We look like a Championship team at best. There is no passion or desire in the team. A lot of overpaid players not giving a damn.

I’ve said it from the start. I’m very skeptical about potter being able to turn us around. I just don’t see anything to give me confidence. He is a fraud and we are doing what Brighton were under him. Mid table and nothing more.

15 minutes ago, Zeta said:

People go on about us needing stability and sticking with a manager, but it has to be the right man.

Where would we be if we'd given stability and a 5-year project to AVB? Or Scolari? Or Avram Grant?

The manager has to show that he is actually capable of producing results and performances, and that he knows what he's doing. I have not seen anything from potter yet.

Tuchel was the guy we should've stuck with, he showed he could win trophies and compete with the best sides in the world.

If Potter has any dignity left, he should just walk after the game. This job is too big for him and its ok to admit defeat

It was already really grim but this felt like a turning point for the even worse today.

Our supporters singing for Tuchel & Roman and we've just been battered and yet again not even a shot on goal.

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by OriginalS

How many years do we have to pay him to get shot? Can’t remember what was in his contract.

too long though, I do know that. 
 

owner hasn’t got a clue what he is going, long contracts for managers that have won f**k all, long contracts for old players that have never played in this league before

waiting for Thiago to be given a 7 year deal next week

31 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

If Potter has any dignity left, he should just walk after the game. This job is too big for him and its ok to admit defeat

But he will want the £’s. 

Just now, SimonH said:

But he will want the £’s. 

Yup, he knows he won the golden ticket with this job, even if he gets sacked he gets paid £60m, he doesn't care.

2 minutes ago, SimonH said:

How many years do we have to pay him to get shot? Can’t remember what was in his contract.

too long though, I do know that. 
 

owner hasn’t got a clue what he is going, long contracts for managers that have won f**k all, long contracts for old players that have never played in this league before

waiting for Thiago to be given a 7 year deal next week

44 year old Thiago is still better than anyone that played today 

Sack the manager. Sack Todd. Sack half the players. That's the only way out of this mess. 

We are in for a very long next few years.

We were never going to win this game. 

Write the season off and let’s see what he can do when the team settles with the injured players back. If towards the end of the season it’s not looking great, the owners can be getting replacements lined up, or if we’re near relegation.

Until then I hope we see some more of the youth and a style starting to appear in the next before Liverpool.