Guys what Im saying is that the modern day football style is to keep the ball at all costs and be patient so that when the opposition get tired or dont track a player or mark a player there is opportunity to score, but as we see today this can go on for ages and the game can become very predictable and at some times  boring to watch.

I am 50 and I have to say that I really enjoyed football more when wingers would attack full backs , like what Pat Nevin used to do, when midfielders would make third man runs and score goals by beating players and taking shots and being brave enough to take  chances at goal,when you have forwards that would run into channels turning defenders and causing problems.I wasn't bothered if we lost the ball in the oppositions half as we could always win it back and this  was done by players making strong but fair tackles which i used to love.

Im just interested to here from you guys what  your thoughts are

 

 

3 hours ago, Purcell10 said:

Guys what Im saying is that the modern day football style is to keep the ball at all costs and be patient so that when the opposition get tired or dont track a player or mark a player there is opportunity to score, but as we see today this can go on for ages and the game can become very predictable and at some times  boring to watch.

I am 50 and I have to say that I really enjoyed football more when wingers would attack full backs , like what Pat Nevin used to do, when midfielders would make third man runs and score goals by beating players and taking shots and being brave enough to take  chances at goal,when you have forwards that would run into channels turning defenders and causing problems.I wasn't bothered if we lost the ball in the oppositions half as we could always win it back and this  was done by players making strong but fair tackles which i used to love.

Im just interested to here from you guys what  your thoughts are

 

 

I very much prefer my football when something happens. This keeping the ball for the sake of keeping the ball, backwards and sideways bullsh*t passing trend needs to f**k off. 

I'm 50 next February, had a season ticket since 1982, and like you I like wingers taking on his man.  Mind you, I kind of like all things nostalgia like proper music for example.  I even collect panini football stickers ha ha....sad....

Actually, I posted a while back about rating our wingers from Clive Walker onwards, as he was the first winger I saw in real life.  For me, that's attacking football.  I can recall, non Chelsea football, that I believe is similar to what you mean.  Back in 92, when Denmark won the Euros they played counter attack but every time Brian Laudrup and another guy called Fleming Poulsen (something like that) would run at the opposition, every opportunity.  Good to watch.  I was super excited when we signed Laudrup a few years later and was so disappointed when that didn't work out.  Another example is when watching other Prem matches on tv, I would prefer watching players like Darren Huckerby having a go at United etc.....

Edited September 27, 20223 yr by Chris Gundleton

watching the recent internationals england, spain and germany have all struggled against a set low block. Germany were helped by Maguire.

I am not sure what the right tactic is against a set low block but passing the ball around the square for a few minutes ain't it.

Certainly need at least one midfielder that can reliably shoot from outside. I guess that is reece for us.

Clearly catching the defence before it is set is the best option but that requires first rate passing and fast forwards.

Alternatively you can play those player rotation triangles down by the corner post in the hope of getting a low cross through to the other side of goal

Alternatively you can play straight through the centre due to the magical combination of your no 10, no 9 and no 8 and or 7.

Pep revolutionized the game. 

For the better and for worse. 

I may be in the minority but i don't like shots anywhere further than just outside the edge.

Yes it looks great the odd time it comes off but 999 times out of 1000 it is a needless waste of possession. When we're trying to hold a lead i'm delighted and instantly feel more relaxed when the opposition have long shots as the clear main strategy, likewise i'm fuming when it's us chasing and doing that.

Well, I was mesmerized by Barca and Spain's tiki taki style , but they combined that with a ferocious effort to win the ball back.

And it was sucessful.

But who didn't like Brazil's teams of old, or Holland's ? Especially compared to England's stodgy long ball game ?.

The problem with endless possession is you end up facing a wall of opponents .And we will not have a shot

Our epic win in Barcelona was helped by Barca fannying around in or near our box. I was dreading a deflected goal.

I hate the current style we play, and ' playing out from the back " gifting away goals.

Remember when both teams pushed up to the halfway line and endless off sides ruining the game so much so there was Talk of having a zone either side of half way where you couldn't be offside.

And give me a break from endless passing down by the corner flag .

 

 

 

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There was even talk of drawing lines 20 yards or so other side of half way 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

I may be in the minority but i don't like shots anywhere further than just outside the edge.

Yes it looks great the odd time it comes off but 999 times out of 1000 it is a needless waste of possession. When we're trying to hold a lead i'm delighted and instantly feel more relaxed when the opposition have long shots as the clear main strategy, likewise i'm fuming when it's us chasing and doing that.

Yeah the " hit and hope" shot. Is a waste. But if that's a waste of possession, isn't the fact that our endless possession often ends up with less shots on goal than the opposition?.

Lampard scored a few from distance and I'm seeing screamers every week on MOTD. And the supposed unpredictable flight of these balls makes the effort worthwhi or I would have thought.

My favourite long shot has to be Essians I reckon . Or the one v Tottenham at WHL . Can't remember the name think it was just  before the Cup winners in Stockholm .

Oh well

 

A couple of months ago I watched the Big Match Revisited cause we were on it playing Notts County away in 1979 it was one of my first away games out of London Mickey Droy had a nightmare yet we won 3-2.  Before that they showed Arsenal- Liverpool at Highbury it was 0-0 and it was bloody dreadful the whole highlights mainly consisted of Ray Clemence kicking out of his hands something you don't see often now the ball would after a couple of headers or deflections arrive at Pat Jennings who would do exactly the same considering Liverpool didn't play with a targetman Dalglish was playing it was pointless them doing it. 

There's a debate to be had about old and new football all depends on how old you are and what you're used to it's been said same sport different game and there's an element of truth in that.

3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Yeah the " hit and hope" shot. Is a waste. But if that's a waste of possession, isn't the fact that our endless possession often ends up with less shots on goal than the opposition?.

Lampard scored a few from distance and I'm seeing screamers every week on MOTD. And the supposed unpredictable flight of these balls makes the effort worthwhi or I would have thought.

My favourite long shot has to be Essians I reckon . Or the one v Tottenham at WHL . Can't remember the name think it was just  before the Cup winners in Stockholm .

Oh well

 

Of course Nick Pope would be in the Ban long shots club as well 😉 

I'm 66,I preferred old school football,crowds and grounds,sadly it's all gone,what can you do ?

8 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

A couple of months ago I watched the Big Match Revisited cause we were on it playing Notts County away in 1979 it was one of my first away games out of London Mickey Droy had a nightmare yet we won 3-2.  Before that they showed Arsenal- Liverpool at Highbury it was 0-0 and it was bloody dreadful the whole highlights mainly consisted of Ray Clemence kicking out of his hands something you don't see often now the ball would after a couple of headers or deflections arrive at Pat Jennings who would do exactly the same considering Liverpool didn't play with a targetman Dalglish was playing it was pointless them doing it. 

There's a debate to be had about old and new football all depends on how old you are and what you're used to it's been said same sport different game and there's an element of truth in that.

Honestly in terms of team play I much prefer the present day.

I remember in lockdown I rewatched our famous UCL win at Highbury and what really stuck out with the present day to compare it with was how simplistic and clunky the patterns of play were, and this was the two best teams in the world at that point.

These days by comparison I'm often going to the two league one stadiums nearest to me purely because of the quality of football they're both playing, back in the 00's I would only do that for social purposes and take little to no interest in the actual football on display.

Ofcourse the counter argument to that is it does restrict individual magic that the likes of Ronaldinho and Henry gave in their sleep but I honestly believe it's worth the trade off.

3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Yeah the " hit and hope" shot. Is a waste. But if that's a waste of possession, isn't the fact that our endless possession often ends up with less shots on goal than the opposition?.

Lampard scored a few from distance and I'm seeing screamers every week on MOTD. And the supposed unpredictable flight of these balls makes the effort worthwhi or I would have thought.

My favourite long shot has to be Essians I reckon . Or the one v Tottenham at WHL . Can't remember the name think it was just  before the Cup winners in Stockholm .

Oh well

 

Yes ofcourse as i say it looks spectacular when it comes off but also I often remember getting frustrated at even Lampard for shooting when there were better options. When he was chasing the all time Chelsea scoring record he upped the anti even further and was driving me insane.

Regarding the endless possesion, in terms of entertainment it can be pretty sh*t but in terms of percentages it's a lot more likely to get the desired result than just hitting it at every quarter chance. Take the Sarri season (and the first few months of Frank where the Sarriball muscle memory was still evident) for example, 95% of the fanbase couldn't abide the football but we won almost every game against non top 7 sides purely because they couldn't mentally keep up with their off ball shape and would eventually switch off.

1 hour ago, bluehaze said:

A couple of months ago I watched the Big Match Revisited cause we were on it playing Notts County away in 1979 it was one of my first away games out of London Mickey Droy had a nightmare yet we won 3-2.  Before that they showed Arsenal- Liverpool at Highbury it was 0-0 and it was bloody dreadful the whole highlights mainly consisted of Ray Clemence kicking out of his hands something you don't see often now the ball would after a couple of headers or deflections arrive at Pat Jennings who would do exactly the same considering Liverpool didn't play with a targetman Dalglish was playing it was pointless them doing it. 

There's a debate to be had about old and new football all depends on how old you are and what you're used to it's been said same sport different game and there's an element of truth in that.

The Big match revisited has destroyed my long held belief that football! was better in the old days.

It's awful,  I don't know how I wasn't top flight footballer myself instead of just a pub team player, those useless scouts missed a a star I'm telling ya..

After one Chelsea game Brian Moore wondered whether the linesman had missed an offside ... Lino had been distracted by a ball boy arguing with him about a previous decision !

1 hour ago, Hemel Blue said:

I'm 66,I preferred old school football,crowds and grounds,sadly it's all gone,what can you do ?

I love watching packed terraces celebrating a goal.back in the day.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Yes ofcourse as i say it looks spectacular when it comes off but also I often remember getting frustrated at even Lampard for shooting when there were better options. When he was chasing the all time Chelsea scoring record he upped the anti even further and was driving me insane.

Regarding the endless possesion, in terms of entertainment it can be pretty sh*t but in terms of percentages it's a lot more likely to get the desired result than just hitting it at every quarter chance. Take the Sarri season (and the first few months of Frank where the Sarriball muscle memory was still evident) for example, 95% of the fanbase couldn't abide the football but we won almost every game against non top 7 sides purely because they couldn't mentally keep up with their off ball shape and would eventually switch off.

If only our endless possession was getting the desired result ! 

 

 

16 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The Big match revisited has destroyed my long held belief that football! was better in the old days.

It's awful,  I don't know how I wasn't top flight footballer myself instead of just a pub team player, those useless scouts missed a a star I'm telling ya..

After one Chelsea game Brian Moore wondered whether the linesman had missed an offside ... Lino had been distracted by a ball boy arguing with him about a previous decision !

I'm pretty sure we were on The Big Match once and the game was so crap the highlights lasted about 90 seconds and Brian Moore went straight to the next match without commenting on ours. 🤣

2 hours ago, Hemel Blue said:

I'm 66,I preferred old school football,crowds and grounds,sadly it's all gone,what can you do ?

Same as me.

The only thing boring about modern football is the passing between FBs, CBs and GKs.

Everything else is waaay better than old skool football. 

I would have been fine if the endless passing was between forwards and midfielders trying to find space which is what Pep trained City to do

The way Barcelona and Spain used to play bored me senseless, it was all about not taking risks with the ball, playing percentage football, if they had the ball then the opposition couldnt harm them so just keep it at all costs. It worked for Barcelona as they had an outlet in Messi who could score or create from nothing, but god it was tedious to watch.

9 hours ago, dkw said:

The way Barcelona and Spain used to play bored me senseless, it was all about not taking risks with the ball, playing percentage football, if they had the ball then the opposition couldnt harm them so just keep it at all costs. It worked for Barcelona as they had an outlet in Messi who could score or create from nothing, but god it was tedious to watch.

Well it worked for Spain without a Messi outlet. They won the Euros, World Cup and another Euro one after another.

Their demolition of Italy after being described as tedious and boring by the press was a thing of beauty.

It's not for everyone I agree,  but we play wonderful tiki taki every week down near the corner flag every game when we seem to deliberately get ourselves boxed in. And it course tight intricate passing around the opposition box when we eventually arrive there after a couple of hours of fannying about

There's no end product unfortunately, and a ridiculous tactic ( if indeed that's what it is )

 

bluehaze:  You stated yesterday.:‘There's a debate to be had about old and new football all depends on how old you are and what you're used to it's been said same sport different game and there's an element of truth in that.’

Thats it in a nutshell for me. Cheers!

10 hours ago, dkw said:

The way Barcelona and Spain used to play bored me senseless, it was all about not taking risks with the ball, playing percentage football, if they had the ball then the opposition couldnt harm them so just keep it at all costs. It worked for Barcelona as they had an outlet in Messi who could score or create from nothing, but god it was tedious to watch.

I can't agree with Barcelona to be honest. As much as I can't stand them they were unbelievable to watch under Guardiola, especially the year they had Eto'o, Henry and Messi up front.

Spain I half agree. Not in Euro 2008 when they had Villa and prime Torres but they did fall into the extreme possesion under Del Bosque with notable exceptions like the final vs Italy *.

I think a crucial difference between both (apart from the obvious) was Barca could sign the likes of Sanchez (and after Pep Neymar and Suarez) to freshen up the attack whereas Spain had a bit of a striker drought at that point and couldn't add externally to evolve their game.

* mentioned by@The Rising Sun

Edited September 28, 20223 yr by Argo

22 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

I love watching packed terraces celebrating a goal.back in the day.

Even better being in them

More freedom to play with confidence years ago. Millions of pounds at stake these days, sometimes on a single match.

Now its keep the ball at all cost. Not the most attractive style but it’s what we’ve become accustomed to.