4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Issue with Tuchel is how he would work with VIvell. 

I'm not going to pretend Tuchel didn't sanction the Lukaku signing and voided going after Tchouameni in favor of Saul. 

I feel Tuchel would work well with Vivell, certainly much better than he did with Todd Boehly. The profile of player Vivell signs fits with Tuchel's pressing style perfectly, it's the German school of football. 

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

I feel Tuchel would work well with Vivell, certainly much better than he did with Todd Boehly. The profile of player Vivell signs fits with Tuchel's pressing style perfectly, it's the German school of football. 

Tuchel had a questionable track record everywhere he's managed when working with a hands on sporting/technical director. No surprise he worked well with Cech and Marina. 

 

 

I am one who would happily have Mourinho back again.  

We are in a degree of turmoil just now with owners throwing money around but without a sound football track record and we need to restore our credibility in English football first and foremost 

We have fans on here tearing strips off Potter for being out of his depth then advocating replacing him with managers from South America with as much knowledge of the English, or even European game as Donald Trump.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Past 16 matches we have scored less goals than the bottom three clubs and have worse results close to the bottom 3 clubs. 

We are very much going somewhere. It's towards a relegation scrap. 

Things are bad right now but we ain't getting relegated.

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Tuchel had a questionable track record everywhere he's managed when working with a hands on sporting/technical director. No surprise he worked well with Cech and Marina. 

 

 

Roman's hierarchy in the latter years suited Tuchel's style of management very which I guess is why he always expressed how much he loved working at Chelsea. I don't think he thrives at a club with a lot of moving pieces. Evidenced from his time at PSG and when Boehly came here.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Things are bad right now but we ain't getting relegated.

Relegation a bit far fetched but I can honestly see us finishing 15th-16th. 

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Tuchel had a questionable track record everywhere he's managed when working with a hands on sporting/technical director. No surprise he worked well with Cech and Marina. 

 

 

Dortmund and Mainz are selling clubs, so I can understand why an elite manager would get annoyed. And PSG are hardly the most competent when it comes to transfers either, plenty of managers have fallen out with the board there

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Dortmund and Mainz are selling clubs, so I can understand why an elite manager would get annoyed. And PSG are hardly the most competent when it comes to transfers either, plenty of managers have fallen out with the board there

He didn't see eye to eye with Leonardo on player profiles. 

That worries me. 

6 minutes ago, loz said:

I am one who would happily have Mourinho back again.  

We are in a degree of turmoil just now with owners throwing money around but without a sound football track record and we need to restore our credibility in English football first and foremost 

We have fans on here tearing strips off Potter for being out of his depth then advocating replacing him with managers from South America with as much knowledge of the English, or even European game as Donald Trump.

 

 

Mourinho's tactics are very outdated at this point, coming back would only taint his legacy I fear. He didn't do a bad job at United/Tottenham, but he didn't do anything spectacular there either. Mourinho's an icon, but there's better managers out there right now

12 hours ago, Valerie said:

Thiago Silva signed a cotract extension, he's with the club for the 2023-24 season. He may be an experienced player, there's more to being a manager than being an experienced player who speaks well about football I doubt whether he even has his badges, and even if he has, he would be too much of an unknown entity as a manager or head coach. If Todd et al. sack a manager they took a (failing) gamble on, they would not take an even bigger risk, even for a few months. No point in that.

 

Yes summer 24 that's what , 13 14 months? Hes for home, his wife more or less confirmed it recently but split ends and all that lol. The reality is the top boys wont be available till this summer .

I'm starting to warm to the idea of Mourinho. He went to Man Utd and won a few trophies, despite them being fairly sh*t. Struggled with Spurs, but still reached a cup final, and who doesn't struggle at Spurs? I don't know how he's doing at Roma, but the man is a winner and the exact opposite of the bland, "well at least we tried" bloke we have in charge now. He's never had a win percentage less than about 51%. Which is almsot double what Potter has atm.

That being said, I'd rather have Tuchel.

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2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He didn't see eye to eye with Leonardo on player profiles. 

That worries me. 

Is Leonardo a good sporting director? I feel like the profile Vivell looks for seems to suit Tuchel's style of football. The likes Mudryk and Enzo would shine under him.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Is Leonardo a good sporting director? I feel like the profile Vivell looks for seems to suit Tuchel's style of football. The likes Mudryk and Enzo would shine under him.

Not at all. 

At the end of the day, based on reports and Tuchel's comments about "just wanting to coach" made it seem as if he wasn't in full agreement with this new restructure. 

Literally f**king anyone to be honest at this point.

3 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I'm starting to warm to the idea of Mourinho. He went to Man Utd and won a few trophies, despite them being fairly sh*t. Struggled with Spurs, but still reached a cup final, and who doesn't struggle at Spurs? I don't know how he's doing at Roma, but the man is a winner and the exact opposite of the bland, "well at least we tried" bloke we have in charge now. He's never had a win percentage less than about 51%. Which is almsot double what Potter has atm.

That being said, I'd rather have Tuchel.

Tuchel is easily better than every manager currently available. To be honest, when it comes to games against big teams, Tuchel is the best manager in the world in my opinion

9 minutes ago, loz said:

I am one who would happily have Mourinho back again.  

We are in a degree of turmoil just now with owners throwing money around but without a sound football track record and we need to restore our credibility in English football first and foremost 

We have fans on here tearing strips off Potter for being out of his depth then advocating replacing him with managers from South America with as much knowledge of the English, or even European game as Donald Trump.

 

 

Whilst I think Mourinho had lost it, I know he offers more than GP ever will. 

And if the Clearlake boys want to give a manager stability, that's the type of manager to. All the weak characters we have in our team will benefit from some Mou tough love. 

What ETH has done today he also did and more with Utd but they didn't build on it. I don't follow Utd or Mou that much to know what went wrong but he is the type of manager that can always bring fresh impetus to a team, especially one that he loves s much as he does. 

Mourinho naysayers calm doon, I'm not advocating for his return, just acknowledging something I agree with a couple points before you hunt me down as you have a predisposition to do. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not at all. 

At the end of the day, based on reports and Tuchel's comments about "just wanting to coach" made it seem as if he wasn't in full agreement with this new restructure. 

True, but the structure in the summer is different to what we have now, with Boehly not being as hands on anymore. It's blind hope but I really hope Tuchel gets his job back, as unlikely as it is

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Mourinho's tactics are very outdated at this point, coming back would only taint his legacy I fear. He didn't do a bad job at United/Tottenham, but he didn't do anything spectacular there either. Mourinho's an icon, but there's better managers out there right now

It would be a disaster.

I can forgive this Potter experiment as the idea of him would have been progressive football with the young players development. Its gone badly wrong but it's still forgivable.

If we appoint Jose I'm giving up my membership and won't consider returning until new owners are in place, appointing Mourinho after splashing out so much on young talent (not to mention trying to build a pathway for the likes of Hall, Hutchinson etc) would be practically sabotage, it's frightening so many seem to think it's a good idea.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Argo

8 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I'm starting to warm to the idea of Mourinho. He went to Man Utd and won a few trophies, despite them being fairly sh*t. Struggled with Spurs, but still reached a cup final, and who doesn't struggle at Spurs? I don't know how he's doing at Roma, but the man is a winner and the exact opposite of the bland, "well at least we tried" bloke we have in charge now. He's never had a win percentage less than about 51%. Which is almsot double what Potter has atm.

That being said, I'd rather have Tuchel.

Zeta I'm loving the objectivity (to borrow a phrase from Mou himself) of your post. 

Which is all TB needs to be. Look at things objectively and GP us nowhere near this team. 

I don't know if Mou will win anything if he comes back here honestly but what I'm sure is he will get every one sitting up and paying attention. 

A club he loves and a man that loves to prove a point in this land.....dangerous combo 

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel is easily better than every manager currently available. To be honest, when it comes to games against big teams, Tuchel is the best manager in the world in my opinion

We lost that QF to Real but what a performance in their backyard. Tuchel is the only manager that when we've gone up against big teams I've never had that anxiety of being outplayed. 

It was his forte and more times was the points dropped against lesser teams that was our problem. And that's usually a mentality thing, more often than not players believing they didn't need to be as switched on because it was a smaller team. 

6 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Mourinho's tactics are very outdated at this point, coming back would only taint his legacy I fear. He didn't do a bad job at United/Tottenham, but he didn't do anything spectacular there either. Mourinho's an icon, but there's better managers out there right now

Yeah. This may rile people but I don’t think he was ever a great football coach… emphasis here is on football. His USP was in the other stuff: psychology /building a winning mindset, mind games with other coaches… but eventually it unravels. He has a personality disorder which becomes a wrecking ball. Happens every time. He’d do a better job than Potter for sure, and could maybe work well as an interim manger for a season or so. Beyond that, no thanks. 

Just now, Dean said:

Yeah. This may rile people but I don’t think he was ever a great football coach… emphasis here is on football. His USP was in the other stuff: psychology /building a winning mindset, mind games with other coaches… but eventually it unravels. He has a personality disorder which becomes a wrecking ball. Happens every time. He’d do a better job than Potter for sure, and could maybe work well as an interim manger for a season or so. Beyond that, no thanks. 

While you did say it may rile people.

Saying Mourinho has never been a great football coach might be the single worst football opinion of all time.

2 minutes ago, Dean said:

Yeah. This may rile people but I don’t think he was ever a great football coach… emphasis here is on football. His USP was in the other stuff: psychology /building a winning mindset, mind games with other coaches… but eventually it unravels. He has a personality disorder which becomes a wrecking ball. Happens every time. He’d do a better job than Potter for sure, and could maybe work well as an interim manger for a season or so. Beyond that, no thanks. 

He was definitely a great coach in the 2000's, what he did with Porto and Inter was incredible, better than anything Guardiola has ever achieved

It was only once football shifted to the high pressing style that his tactics stopped working as well, back in the days when most teams played 4-4-2 he was unstoppable