8 hours ago, axman2526 said:

He took each of his goals well, and let's not forget the good finish in the first half that was chalked off cause Sterling could not stay onside.

There are lots of things he needs to work on, but after netting a hat trick against Spurs I am not going to be having a go at him.

Here here.

2 hours ago, Snedger said:

There's little doubt it was his best game for us. Did take two goals well, but the last one was simply weird. A couple of bad misses chucked in and some frankly poor ball control and a the lack of variance in his runs left it looking a very mixed affair. I doubt he'll get to play against 9 men playing a suicidal high line with the two first choice centrebacks having been sent off and carried off injured too often.

Still, as many on here firmly believe football ability is 99% about confidence, it's very encouraging as I'd expect him to start gaining on Haaland from now on.

As an aside, I also noticed in the post match interview that his English is far better than Palmer's.

Lay off the Mancunian. 

Pleased for Jackson.

Not a top striker yet has attributes, a turn of speed and when we break the press he knows where to move to, to put the ball in the net.

Also in one in ones with the keeper he can score.

Previously  Werner and Torres often could not do that. 

I think he will struggle with the low blocks and to be fair most teams do, we need a midfielder or even CB (with cover) to come forward to head in a goal or blast one in from distance.

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

Pleased for Jackson.

Not a top striker yet has attributes, a turn of speed and when we break the press he knows where to move to, to put the ball in the net.

Also in one in ones with the keeper he can score.

Previously  Werner and Torres often could not do that. 

I think he will struggle with the low blocks and to be fair most teams do, we need a midfielder or even CB (with cover) to come forward to head in a goal or blast one in from distance.

We need a striker more than anything, we have plenty of midfielders to come back from injury. Watching Jackson this season would not make you think he can score one on ones, the third goal was like bambi on ice and had the look of someone who didn't know what he was doing let alone anyone else knowing, I think the keeper just gave up guessing. He missed a couple of one on ones before that.

Chelsea need a striker who can score on very few chances like the first one, a top striker scores that. I hope scoring a few tap ins has done something to his confidence but nothing I have seen so far tells me he is a number 1 striker. Top strikers make the difference against low block teams.

he has his flaws... but really odd to knock him on this game. We've seen players like Werner leave a game like this with none.

He put the ball in the back of the net 4 times - one was off, but it wasn't him. He also should have had an assist in what led to the penalty / red, when he passed to Sterling. He did his job. And he beat the keeper with the head in the 56th minute only to have Hojbjerg clear it.

Ratings for this game to me are looney, I saw someone give Vicario a 10- he gave up 4 goals for 3 saves , and he was spared by Var, tight calls for another 3.

Plus note

When we do buy a striker in Jan, I think Poch can develop Jackson into a beast of a sub. I dont think hes first choice and toney or osimhen would get ahead of him

 

2 hours ago, Conte said:

Plus note

When we do buy a striker in Jan, I think Poch can develop Jackson into a beast of a sub. I dont think hes first choice and toney or osimhen would get ahead of him

 

Toney isn't better than Nicky Jackson though. Osimhen well okey I give you that.

The similarities with Drogba are apparent. Those who remember his first season here will recall him being talked about in much the same way as well. 

Not making the argument that they are copies as players of course. Drogba scores 10 goals his first season in the PL. Jackson has 6 already. Considering our recent striker history, we should be quite happy with one that gets double digits in the league. 

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Toney isn't better than Nicky Jackson though. Osimhen well okey I give you that.

What? Are you being serious?!!

1 hour ago, Cfc91 said:

The similarities with Drogba are apparent. Those who remember his first season here will recall him being talked about in much the same way as well. 

Not making the argument that they are copies as players of course. Drogba scores 10 goals his first season in the PL. Jackson has 6 already. Considering our recent striker history, we should be quite happy with one that gets double digits in the league. 

Hmmm, please expand on these Drogba similarities, as most of us are struggling to see them!

 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

What? Are you being serious?!!

You're talking about a gambling addict that isn't even playing btw... Jackson at 22 is on 5 goals in 10, Toney wasn't even in the PL at that age.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

You're talking about a gambling addict that isn't even playing btw... Jackson at 22 is on 5 goals in 10, Toney wasn't even in the PL at that age.

It doesn't matter about age Gol, at this moment in time Toney is a better forward. I still rate Jackson and think he can become good, but I think he's been piss poor for a while and he's struggling with confidence. I don't think he would score much at Brentford at this rate. 

As for Osimhen, he has the same number of goals as Giroud does in the Serie A this season. There's absolutely no evidence he comes to the Premier League and sets it on fire. 

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

It doesn't matter about age Gol, at this moment in time Toney is a better forward. I still rate Jackson and think he can become good, but I think he's been piss poor for a while and he's struggling with confidence. I don't think he would score much at Brentford at this rate. 

As for Osimhen, he has the same number of goals as Giroud does in the Serie A this season. There's absolutely no evidence he comes to the Premier League and sets it on fire. 

We have had the striker problem ever since D.Costa left, Jackson is solving that problem now.

Toney isn't better right now, everything is on Jackson's side. Giroud is good regardless, he scored in the CL tonight so that's not an argument, a good player is good anywhere.

Can't fault him much after 3 goals, all easy tap ins but we have seen worse misses in the past, so at least he got that finishing touches. Credit to those who set him up, Jackson had problems be on side all game

2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Can't fault him much after 3 goals, all easy tap ins but we have seen worse misses in the past, so at least he got that finishing touches. Credit to those who set him up, Jackson had problems be on side all game

We saw worse misses un the match - all by Jackson!

I still hope Jackson can be a good squad option but for anyone to make out he is a better striker than Toney, is utter madness. Go and look at some of the goals Toney has scored and understand why clubs are willing to spend big money on him in January.

Jackson is 22 and in a new team in the toughest league in the world with massive pressure on him. 

We've bought potential and with a player like Jackson he needs game time to realise that potential. Unfortunately for us fans it means inconsistency - he'll have good games and bad games - after which, eventually, the consistency comes. 

It probably shows naivety on the part of the owners to bring so many young players together at a club like Chelsea. It may work at Brighton, a club with zero expectation, riding the crest of a wave - all positivity there. At Chelsea, one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the world thr dynamic, expectation and pressure are totally different. Given the circumstances I think Jackson is doing well. What he needs are minutes, time and support - is Chelsea the right club for that? Not sure... 

10 hours ago, Nibs said:

Hmmm, please expand on these Drogba similarities, as most of us are struggling to see them!

 

I think you need to read my comment again.

If you are asking about player-to-player similiarities, then yes, both players are strong, quick and have good technique. Drogba was 24 when he joined and struggled with much of the same as Jackson does. 

Here's a random comment from pre-season 2006 from this forum:

Some, too many actually, Chelsea fans are writing off players at a pace that would have seen a ton of our legendary players be nothing but a foot note in retrospect. 

3 hours ago, Nibs said:

We saw worse misses un the match - all by Jackson!

I still hope Jackson can be a good squad option but for anyone to make out he is a better striker than Toney, is utter madness. Go and look at some of the goals Toney has scored and understand why clubs are willing to spend big money on him in January.

Here's your Toney:

And here's my Jackson:

And keep in mind that we have had problems with strikers regardless of who played there so it's not like Jackson walked into a low expectation club where everyone will feed him endlessly, Toney scored 6/20 goals from the penalty spot last season so if you take those away and see how he actually plays he scored 14 goals in 33 matches which is actually a lower percentage than a 21 year old Jackson in La-Liga last season where he scored 12 in 26.

Jackson is ahead of him in every possible way, younger, not banned, not an addict and actually doesn't need penalties and is also creating more for the team as well.

I know you along side a few others constantly think that the grass is greener elsewhere but in reality Jackson is showing right now that he does score goals and that is a starter for us.

Jackson has been up and down. But I dont think anyone will fault his attitude. The team still needs to gel... The lad just scored a Hat trick against the sp*rs so I think criticism is wide of the mark. Give him a break and let's see how he gets on between now and January. Between him and Broja, I think we have a couple of decent options for different teams. I'd rather go through the season with these two and find out if they're capable rather than spunk 80 million on another striker who may or may not work out for us. 

If he gets 15 league goals for the season, that would be a very promising season. As I say, I want Jackson to eat defenders for breakfast in the league. He just dined on sp*rs so should have our total support. come on lads, lets give this side a fantastic reception at the next game, sing to the rafters down the bridge. The team needs all the encouragement it can get. 

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Here's your Toney:

And here's my Jackson:

And keep in mind that we have had problems with strikers regardless of who played there so it's not like Jackson walked into a low expectation club where everyone will feed him endlessly, Toney scored 6/20 goals from the penalty spot last season so if you take those away and see how he actually plays he scored 14 goals in 33 matches which is actually a lower percentage than a 21 year old Jackson in La-Liga last season where he scored 12 in 26.

Jackson is ahead of him in every possible way, younger, not banned, not an addict and actually doesn't need penalties and is also creating more for the team as well.

I know you along side a few others constantly think that the grass is greener elsewhere but in reality Jackson is showing right now that he does score goals and that is a starter for us.

Excellent post 

Any world class striker who scores tap ins, is praised for their abilty to be in the right place at the right time. Tap ins are the bread and butter of strikers. it would be nice to see some worldie strikes from outside the box, but the important thing is the goal regardless of how. In pre season with Nkunku, they terrorised every defence they played against, the interplay was a joy to see. Nkunku out problems, in steps Carney, and just as things are progressing, Carney's out. Yes he's raw, but with the right partner he will shine, being caught offside is more a sign of lack of cohesion in the team, the passes are made too late, with time this should improve, from him curbing his runs bit, and his team mates realising the correct time to make the pass. I suspect our problems eventually will be trying to ward off Real etc.

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Here's your Toney:

And here's my Jackson:

And keep in mind that we have had problems with strikers regardless of who played there so it's not like Jackson walked into a low expectation club where everyone will feed him endlessly, Toney scored 6/20 goals from the penalty spot last season so if you take those away and see how he actually plays he scored 14 goals in 33 matches which is actually a lower percentage than a 21 year old Jackson in La-Liga last season where he scored 12 in 26.

Jackson is ahead of him in every possible way, younger, not banned, not an addict and actually doesn't need penalties and is also creating more for the team as well.

I know you along side a few others constantly think that the grass is greener elsewhere but in reality Jackson is showing right now that he does score goals and that is a starter for us.

I love it when arguments are backed with Stats and not opinions . Good Job sir. 

9 minutes ago, Ajbod said:

Any world class striker who scores tap ins, is praised for their abilty to be in the right place at the right time. Tap ins are the bread and butter of strikers. it would be nice to see some worldie strikes from outside the box, but the important thing is the goal regardless of how. In pre season with Nkunku, they terrorised every defence they played against, the interplay was a joy to see. Nkunku out problems, in steps Carney, and just as things are progressing, Carney's out. Yes he's raw, but with the right partner he will shine, being caught offside is more a sign of lack of cohesion in the team, the passes are made too late, with time this should improve, from him curbing his runs bit, and his team mates realising the correct time to make the pass. I suspect our problems eventually will be trying to ward off Real etc.

I agree, but I also think he has some work to do in getting into the positions for those tap ins. The game against Spurs played to his strengths, high line that he can run at/run in behind and yet he still looked a bit wobbly. When we've played against teams that sit in, his in the box movement hasn't been anywhere near as good. When you compare him to someone like Haaland (world class striker who scores tap ins), Haaland is constantly creating distance between himself and defenders in and around the 6 yard box. Nico is a bit too passive and has a tendancy to just wait for something to attack.

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Here's your Toney:

And here's my Jackson:

And keep in mind that we have had problems with strikers regardless of who played there so it's not like Jackson walked into a low expectation club where everyone will feed him endlessly, Toney scored 6/20 goals from the penalty spot last season so if you take those away and see how he actually plays he scored 14 goals in 33 matches which is actually a lower percentage than a 21 year old Jackson in La-Liga last season where he scored 12 in 26.

Jackson is ahead of him in every possible way, younger, not banned, not an addict and actually doesn't need penalties and is also creating more for the team as well.

I know you along side a few others constantly think that the grass is greener elsewhere but in reality Jackson is showing right now that he does score goals and that is a starter for us.

Forgive me for being sceptical @Gol15, but you don't have the greatest record. You also used to gather a load of stats to back up the two guys who are now stinking the place out at Arsenal!!

Don't get me wrong, I want Jackson to do well. He looked okay in pre-season and hopes were high, but despite the goals you mention, he has fired a lot of blanks when we needed him. IF he can score 20+ a season then great. But Toney HAS done it in the PL for a while now and most people would give him the nod over Jackson, despite what your pretty graphs might say. Sometimes you just need to watch football with your eyes to get a better idea of the quality of players - give it a try.

 

Toney would be the safest bet (no pun intended), but would he really allow us to reach City's level?