17 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Badiashile and Fofana read that and forces him wide left. 

That's what Disasi did lmao

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't particularly rate him but i see no issue with the defending against Son at the end. Forced him wide and onto his weak foot after being left exposed by every other defender on the pitch.

The slip prevented him making an actual tackle but probably stopped a goal by keeping him off his right.

It's bad defending cause he isn't in control of anything that happens there. Son takes a better touch and he's in front of Disasi easily. Son takes a better shot, hes scored tons of goals with his weak foot from those positions too, and it's a goal. 

He got lucky with the outcome, doesn't make it okay defending. 

🤣🤣🤣 Poch rates him and that’s all that matters as he sees him daily, am glad no one on here gets to pick our team

We have our new Scapegoat ladies and Gents🤣🤣

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2 hours ago, Remodez said:

It's bad defending cause he isn't in control of anything that happens there. Son takes a better touch and he's in front of Disasi easily. Son takes a better shot, hes scored tons of goals with his weak foot from those positions too, and it's a goal. 

He got lucky with the outcome, doesn't make it okay defending. 

It isn't just this instance also. A mid table championship side the other week had him all over the place defensively. Throughout the season I've seen countless errors from him in reading the game. 

For someone who is supposedly 40m better than Chalobah, I'd expected better. 

43 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It isn't just this instance also. A mid table championship side the other week had him all over the place defensively. Throughout the season I've seen countless errors from him in reading the game. 

For someone who is supposedly 40m better than Chalobah, I'd expected better. 

I still don't understand this Chalobah comparison though. It's ok to expect more from a player and I can agree with any fair criticism, I could also imagine that a fully fit Fofana is a better option for us but Chalobah is expected to leave in January so I assume that he's the worst of all central defenders that we have.

Just now, Gol15 said:

I still don't understand this Chalobah comparison though. It's ok to expect more from a player and I can agree with any fair criticism, I could also imagine that a fully fit Fofana is a better option for us but Chalobah is expected to leave in January so I assume that he's the worst of all central defenders that we have.

Never understood the Chalobah flack personally when he didn't cost us 40m. At this point in time, Disasi is looking like he's at the same level Chalobah is, which is a squad rotation option. So again, I ask the question. Is Disasi 40m better than Chalobah? I certainly don't think so. 

With Badiashile fit I need to see him out. 

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Never understood the Chalobah flack personally when he didn't cost us 40m. At this point in time, Disasi is looking like he's at the same level Chalobah is, which is a squad rotation option. So again, I ask the question. Is Disasi 40m better than Chalobah? I certainly don't think so. 

With Badiashile fit I need to see him out. 

Well apparently he is way better than Chalobah. Otherwise why would we let Chalobah go?

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

Well apparently he is way better than Chalobah. Otherwise why would we let Chalobah go?

 £ £ £ £ £ £ £ £

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

 £ £ £ £ £ £ £ £

We could sell Disasi if he were the worse option though. But it's not happening. We let Koulibaly go pretty fast so I know it wouldn't be an issue if there was an issue.

15 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I still don't understand this Chalobah comparison though. It's ok to expect more from a player and I can agree with any fair criticism, I could also imagine that a fully fit Fofana is a better option for us but Chalobah is expected to leave in January so I assume that he's the worst of all central defenders that we have.

A fully fit Fofana doesn't exist which is why he's our worst CB and the worst signing in the clubs history.

His body just isn't capable of the demands of professional football saddly which is why we had to sign Disasi and why reports are that we're targeting another CB in January.

I don't rate him as high as some when he's on the pitch but it's clear the club can't plan to ever rely on Fofana at least Disasi and Chalobah are reliable performers even if neither are likely to ever be top centre backs they can do a job next to a top quality parter.

3 hours ago, Remodez said:

It's bad defending cause he isn't in control of anything that happens there. Son takes a better touch and he's in front of Disasi easily. Son takes a better shot, hes scored tons of goals with his weak foot from those positions too, and it's a goal. 

He got lucky with the outcome, doesn't make it okay defending. 

The only other option he had was to jump in and try to make a tackle, in that scenario Son most likely gets a toe to it and Disasi gets sent off same as Sterling managed against Udogie. 
 

Disasi kept him off his strong foot and took him wide enough that Son had to take a quick shot as Gusto was coming back in from the other side. 
 

with no room to jockey the player as he was so close to the goal he made absolutely the right choice. Only people that have never played defence would think otherwise. 

Just now, Gol15 said:

We could sell Disasi if he were the worse option though. But it's not happening. We let Koulibaly go pretty fast so I know it wouldn't be an issue if there was an issue.

Not going to help our FFP like selling Chalobah though.

There is also the matter of the injury Trev picked up in preseason, which still has him out. Poch was using him until that injury but that, combined with Fofanas injury, saw Poch ask for a CB and Stewart went and got Disasi.

 

Bad timing on Trevs injury, Conor not moving and now having a place in the team, means we need someone else to make money for FFP purposes. 

If there is no FFP no worries, these owners could spend more than Roman did.

5 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

A fully fit Fofana doesn't exist which is why he's our worst CB and the worst signing in the clubs history.

Well Lukaku is for me but one thing I will say for Wes is thart it is truly impressive any player can make Reece James and Ben Chilwell look the epitome of reliable health.

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Not going to help our FFP like selling Chalobah though.

There is also the matter of the injury Trev picked up in preseason, which still has him out. Poch was using him until that injury but that, combined with Fofanas injury, saw Poch ask for a CB and Stewart went and got Disasi.

 

Bad timing on Trevs injury, Conor not moving and now having a place in the team, means we need someone else to make money for FFP purposes. 

If there is no FFP no worries, these owners could spend more than Roman did.

Trev is an Academy product so selling him is all profit isn't it, and so does actually benefit us in terms of FFP or am I misundersting something ?

16 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Well Lukaku is for me but one thing I will say for Wes is thart it is truly impressive any player can make Reece James and Ben Chilwell look the epitome of reliable health.

Todd insisted that Fofana fly to America for his medical.

Obviously he was deemed fit enough to play Baseball.

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5 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Trev is an Academy product so selling him is all profit isn't it, and so does actually benefit us in terms of FFP or am I misundersting something ?

Aye that was my point. Gol said we could sell disasi if he is our qorst CB, but all we would do is cover our nose at best for FFP purposes.

Selling Trev is all pure profit, as is Maatsen, who no doubt we will try and sell too.

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Aye that was my point. Gol said we could sell disasi if he is our qorst CB, but all we would do is cover our nose at best for FFP purposes.

Selling Trev is all pure profit, as is Maatsen, who no doubt we will try and sell too.

Yeah that seems to be the strategy now.

Sell our young Academy players to fund the purchase of young players from other teams academies

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The only other option he had was to jump in and try to make a tackle, in that scenario Son most likely gets a toe to it and Disasi gets sent off same as Sterling managed against Udogie. 
 

Disasi kept him off his strong foot and took him wide enough that Son had to take a quick shot as Gusto was coming back in from the other side. 
 

with no room to jockey the player as he was so close to the goal he made absolutely the right choice. Only people that have never played defence would think otherwise. 

 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

That's what Disasi did lmao

Fofana and Badiashile have the athleticism and recovery pace to deal with these sort of situations. 

A simple nudge of the ball from Son had Disasi nearly on the ground burnt. If you don't have recovery speed, you need to anticipate and read the game better. Something the likes of Terry and Silva had/have in abundance. 

 

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The Rising Sun replied to Gol15's topic in General Chelsea FC

Yeah that seems to be the strategy now. Sell our young Academy players to fund the purchase of young players from other teams academies"

I don't get this thinking; We have 3 maybe 4 academy players that seem to be first choice, James, Gallagher, Colwill, and possibly Broja. (depending on health).

Chalobah is now 24, he's a good mid tier PL player, no longer really considered a young player. There's not a lot left to mystery with him. What's wrong with selling for a profit? Selling Chalobah, would offer enough under FFP we could go for a Santiago Gimenez, or such.

Maatsen is 21, but did not want to renew his contract. He's giving us the choice of overpay and force him in the lineup, or get what we can.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The only other option he had was to jump in and try to make a tackle, in that scenario Son most likely gets a toe to it and Disasi gets sent off same as Sterling managed against Udogie. 
 

Disasi kept him off his strong foot and took him wide enough that Son had to take a quick shot as Gusto was coming back in from the other side. 
 

with no room to jockey the player as he was so close to the goal he made absolutely the right choice. Only people that have never played defence would think otherwise. 

That was not the only other option, jumping in is the last thing you do in that situation. The optimal play there to stand square on, which he did in all fairness its just he lost his balance for some odd reason, match the pace and jockey him wide in a controlled fashion. 

You're looking at it from the perspective of we didn't concede and Son ended up wider than he would have liked, which really had very little to do with Disasi. This is why I said he was lucky. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a better defender would have smothered that opportunity to begin with. 

For the record I played left back for many games at youth level, hated every min of it but like to think I learned a thing or two about defending. 

1 hour ago, Wearyourblue said:

" Axel Disasi *Official*
The Rising Sun replied to Gol15's topic in General Chelsea FC

Yeah that seems to be the strategy now. Sell our young Academy players to fund the purchase of young players from other teams academies"

I don't get this thinking; We have 3 maybe 4 academy players that seem to be first choice, James, Gallagher, Colwill, and possibly Broja. (depending on health).

Chalobah is now 24, he's a good mid tier PL player, no longer really considered a young player. There's not a lot left to mystery with him. What's wrong with selling for a profit? Selling Chalobah, would offer enough under FFP we could go for a Santiago Gimenez, or such.

Maatsen is 21, but did not want to renew his contract. He's giving us the choice of overpay and force him in the lineup, or get what we can.

Looks like we would rather sell an academy produced player rather than say, Disasi based on decisions made on finance and not on football.

If Trev is a " mid table" player, then he is perfect for us at the moment..

17 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Fofana and Badiashile have the athleticism and recovery pace to deal with these sort of situations. 

A simple nudge of the ball from Son had Disasi nearly on the ground burnt. If you don't have recovery speed, you need to anticipate and read the game better. Something the likes of Terry and Silva had/have in abundance. 

 

back to goal, coming across to cover the other side of the pitch against a full speed Son? 

Yeah neither of them are doing anything any differently except maybe jumping in to try and make the challenge and likely get sent off.

I don't rate Disasi at all as i've been very vocal about since the day we signed him but for me this is one yard stick that's difficult to beat him with. 

16 hours ago, Remodez said:

That was not the only other option, jumping in is the last thing you do in that situation. The optimal play there to stand square on, which he did in all fairness its just he lost his balance for some odd reason, match the pace and jockey him wide in a controlled fashion. 

You're looking at it from the perspective of we didn't concede and Son ended up wider than he would have liked, which really had very little to do with Disasi. This is why I said he was lucky. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a better defender would have smothered that opportunity to begin with. 

For the record I played left back for many games at youth level, hated every min of it but like to think I learned a thing or two about defending. 

So he did absolutely everything right from a defensive standpoint and a slip, which the vast majority of the players on the pitch were experiencing all game, is all that stopped him from getting closer to the ball. He tightened the angle and bought enough time for Gusto to finally get back into position.

Like i've said before, plenty to have a go at Disasi for. That passage of play is on Mudryk playing in to Ugo, Ugo's shocking first touch and Silva not reading the situation quicker and dropping in before any blame lands at Disasi's feet for me. 

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So he did absolutely everything right from a defensive standpoint and a slip, which the vast majority of the players on the pitch were experiencing all game, is all that stopped him from getting closer to the ball. He tightened the angle and bought enough time for Gusto to finally get back into position.

Like i've said before, plenty to have a go at Disasi for. That passage of play is on Mudryk playing in to Ugo, Ugo's shocking first touch and Silva not reading the situation quicker and dropping in before any blame lands at Disasi's feet for me. 

It looked to me like he was never composed at any stage of that but if that's true, I didn't notice any players slipping to be honest, then fair enough I can accept that as it does look like he is at least in the process of doing the right thing.

I think we know Mudryk and Ugo messed up, you can only control what happens afterwards. I wouldn't blame Silva as he's filling in for a wandering Cucu. I think he initially wanted to press but then noticed Disasi was further back which is why he's on the backfoot.

"The Rising Sun
" Axel Disasi *Official*

Looks like we would rather sell an academy produced player rather than say, Disasi based on decisions made on finance and not on football.

If Trev is a " mid table" player, then he is perfect for us at the moment.."

Well, one saw the field in the World Cup final, the other has yet to play for his national team. I think we have plenty of top 4 talent. we just need to come together and stay healthy. Not sure Disasi would have been bought if all Central Backs were healthy - that's a football first decision.