39 minutes ago, Sheva said:

He may well turn into the next Vini Jr but it's alot easier to do that at a club like Real Madrid who are littered with experienced first team players.

It's all well and good signing these talented players but I think they reach their potential quicker when they are playing with winners next to them. We have one of the best academies in world football apparently so why don't we invest in some 23-26 year olds to help us win now and bring some youngsters through that we already have on our books.

I wouldn't mind this signing so much if we already had a strong winning core in the first team.

He is going to be on u-23

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I saw a tweet saying that he is going to first team straight away. Nah, not happening. He will probably go to u-21 or Strasbourg 

This is a Joe Shields signing. 

Very much a wait and see but I feel we all had a similar skepticism with Palmer. Never scored a Premier League goal and finishes the season with the most G/A

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

This is a Joe Shields signing. 

Very much a wait and see but I feel we all had a similar skepticism with Palmer. Never scored a Premier League goal and finishes the season with the most G/A

I watched Palmer play for City in charity shield. He was playable. Noone expect him to do what he did but he was at least playable

Estevao looks too skinny to play in PL. 

Edited May 20, 20242 yr by Bob stark

How often do these wonderkids ever turn out to be the real deal?

I recall the likes of Ganso, Denilson (Arsenals version), Our own Kenedy, Kerrison, Kerlon (an ex champ manager favourit), Alex Teixeira,  Gabigol (was it barbosa?), Our own Lucas Piazon, Alipio, Lulinha...Not to mention our current batch (Washington, Angelo, Santos - who all struggled this year.... the list goes on and on....

For every 1 Neymar, there are 50 other flash in the pans.

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

How often do these wonderkids ever turn out to be the real deal?

I recall the likes of Ganso, Denilson (Arsenals version), Our own Kenedy, Kerrison, Kerlon (an ex champ manager favourit), Alex Teixeira,  Gabigol (was it barbosa?), Our own Lucas Piazon, Alipio, Lulinha...Not to mention our current batch (Washington, Angelo, Santos - who all struggled this year.... the list goes on and on....

For every 1 Neymar, there are 50 other flash in the pans.

Apparently the club used to be criticized in Brazil during the Roman era as we were targeting players that Brazilians didn't rate in the slightest. 

I'm not going to pretend I am some expert on Estevao but he very much looks like to be in the same category as Rodrygo, Vinicius, Endrick, and Roque. Palmeiras manager even going as far as saying he's a bigger prospect than Endrick. 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I watched Palmer play for City in charity shield. He was playable. Noone expect him to do what he did but he was at least playable

Estevao looks too skinny to play in PL. 

A player being too skinny to play in the Premier League is outdated by at least 20 years at this point.

Mahrez was very skinny. Bernardo Silva is one of the best players in the league and he is one of the lightest players.

Estevao is also still growing. It's very doubtful that he won't be at least another 5kg's heavier by the time the 2025-26 season starts.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

A player being too skinny to play in the Premier League is outdated by at least 20 years at this point.

Mahrez was very skinny. Bernardo Silva is one of the best players in the league and he is one of the lightest players.

Estevao is also still growing. It's very doubtful that he won't be at least another 5kg's heavier by the time the 2025-26 season starts.

And that's just after a few Poch barbecues.

I’m sure he’s a very talented player but we don’t exactly have a great track record with Brazilian youths. 

With Palmer, we already seen his cameos with City, and he was very good. He played in 2 cup finals weeks before he joined us, so his ability is there to be seen. If KDB was injured during pre-season, he'd probably get a first team chance and stayed. A 16 year old Brazilian kid played a handful games is a completely different prospect and carries a high risk profile. He may turn out to be a really good player if he does all the right things on and off the field, but a lot could happen before he even comes to London. Like other said, for 50-60M you get a good winger between 23-25, ready to play next season and still has plenty of re-sale values in 4-5 years time.

18 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

With Palmer, we already seen his cameos with City, and he was very good. He played in 2 cup finals weeks before he joined us, so his ability is there to be seen. If KDB was injured during pre-season, he'd probably get a first team chance and stayed. A 16 year old Brazilian kid played a handful games is a completely different prospect and carries a high risk profile. He may turn out to be a really good player if he does all the right things on and off the field, but a lot could happen before he even comes to London. Like other said, for 50-60M you get a good winger between 23-25, ready to play next season and still has plenty of re-sale values in 4-5 years time.

There were loads of skepticism with Palmer's signing. Even you weren't convinced he was something we needed. 

 

 

8 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

A player being too skinny to play in the Premier League is outdated by at least 20 years at this point.

Mahrez was very skinny. Bernardo Silva is one of the best players in the league and he is one of the lightest players.

Estevao is also still growing. It's very doubtful that he won't be at least another 5kg's heavier by the time the 2025-26 season starts.

If we start comparing player to highest tier footballer than anything works. 

Maybe we can pump him full of growth hormones like what they did with Messi?

If Estevao is a business plan it is a risky one. However I think you need to go high risk high reward if you want to find players like Mbappe, Vini Jr, Cole Palmer.

5 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Maybe we can pump him full of growth hormones like what they did with Messi?

Not sure it works with Messi, he is still very short

5 hours ago, evissy said:

If Estevao is a business plan it is a risky one. However I think you need to go high risk high reward if you want to find players like Mbappe, Vini Jr, Cole Palmer.

No big pl team is signing this kind of player unless they are very cheap. Why bet for the like of Estevao when you can get Olise. 

Real can do this because they are already loaded and la liga is a much easier league. 

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Not sure it works with Messi, he is still very short

Maybe we try the old fashioned way then - steak and chips washed down with a pint of Guinness every day for lunch. Should build the lad up nicely.

#InShieldsWeTrust

A decent analysis: 

 

31 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

A decent analysis: 

 

Well that is worrying. Instead of comparing him to Messi the bloke is telling us to compare him with United's Amad Diallo.....

Least Paez looks generational from those stats. 

On 20/05/2024 at 15:20, nonotnowjim said:

How often do these wonderkids ever turn out to be the real deal?

I recall the likes of Ganso, Denilson (Arsenals version), Our own Kenedy, Kerrison, Kerlon (an ex champ manager favourit), Alex Teixeira,  Gabigol (was it barbosa?), Our own Lucas Piazon, Alipio, Lulinha...Not to mention our current batch (Washington, Angelo, Santos - who all struggled this year.... the list goes on and on....

For every 1 Neymar, there are 50 other flash in the pans.

What a player Ganso was, supposed to be as good as Neymar. 

Injuries ruined him, didn't they?

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Well that is worrying. Instead of comparing him to Messi the bloke is telling us to compare him with United's Amad Diallo.....

Least Paez looks generational from those stats. 

A bit sobering, isn’t it 😂 Doesn’t mean Estevao isn’t a fantastic talent though, just might have to adjust the expectations of his immediate impact a little

6 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

A decent analysis: 

 

I wouldn't read too much into it. The bloke who makes these videos is a Man U fan who gave Cole Palmer a rating of 73 and Rasmus Hojlund a rating of 80.

2 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

I wouldn't read too much into it. The bloke who makes these videos is a Man U fan who gave Cole Palmer a rating of 73 and Rasmus Hojlund a rating of 80.

Does he have an Antony review?

7 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Does he have an Antony review?

Not yet. He did Andre Onana and rated him the same level as Cole Palmer though 🤯

17 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

What a player Ganso was, supposed to be as good as Neymar. 

Injuries ruined him, didn't they?

Most talented youth I've probably seen was one of our own, Charly Musonda. At least Ganso had a good career.