7 minutes ago, Erik said:

Considering we recently sold the best disciplined and highest work ethic based player we have had in years it strikes me as bizarre that he keeps drilling this philosophy every time he does an interview. 

I think I liked what he said and he sent a message to everyone. I also believe what he saying is that effort is hygiene and technical skills will set you apart.. effort alone is not enough.

9 minutes ago, Erik said:

Considering we recently sold the best disciplined and highest work ethic based player we have had in years it strikes me as bizarre that he keeps drilling this philosophy every time he does an interview. 

Maresca isn't in charge of comings and goings. That's the board and Siegfried & Roy. The irony you point out would be lost on them. Irony to them would be how you feel when the urge to iron strikes you.

3 minutes ago, Jangz said:

I think I liked what he said and he sent a message to everyone. I also believe what he saying is that effort is hygiene and technical skills will set you apart.. effort alone is not enough.

He's taking an unusual approach with the press. I've never really seen a manager be this open publicly when calling players out. Time will tell whether it will have the desired effect but balance is always welcome in situations like these, being too public with stuff like this can backfire. How can we criticise what Sterling did when the coach is essentially doing a close equivalent. 

2 minutes ago, dermott said:

Maresca isn't in charge of comings and goings. That's the board and Siegfried & Roy. The irony you point out would be lost on them. Irony to them would be how you feel when the urge to iron strikes you.

I'm sure Maresca has enough sway in decision making to influence whether a player stays or goes. Otherwise we effectively have a coach who just takes training and picks a starting eleven. 

4 minutes ago, Erik said:

I'm sure Maresca has enough sway in decision making to influence whether a player stays or goes. Otherwise we effectively have a coach who just takes training and picks a starting eleven. 

I think that's the point.

Just now, dermott said:

I think that's the point.

I find it hard to believe that is the case honestly. 

26 minutes ago, Erik said:

I find it hard to believe that is the case honestly. 

Why do you find that hard to believe when we’ve had 3 managers replaced who tried to do otherwise.

2 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

So, there are many reports of booing the team at half time, last night. This is game 2. AND we won. With a clean sheet. And I honestly feel that we should be getting behind our team at this stage. We have a young team and despite what that scouse c*** Jamie Carragher says we are an exciting team. We have some amazing players. We have the English YPOY fer fcucks sake.  The media is clearly already out to get us - more than usual.  Already.  OF course i have reservations about Maresca and the style of play etc. Not to mention some serious reservations about the 'owners'.  BUT we gotta get behind these young players and this young dynamic team. 

There is a lot to enjoy about watching the youngest top level team. The youngest team/squad.  That is exciting. That is potential. This could be a really fun season and yet the media is already making us feel like we are bunch of Millwall fans and no one likes us. We need to get a grip and support our team. I am really not down with booing a team - and not at this point.

I'll go back to what I said a couple of days ago, there are fans thinking the booing is the reaction to one or two games, it's not, it years of watching the same laboured performances game after game, from first minute to last. Performances like last night should be those performances fans see a few times a season, but with us, it's the norm. Low energy, lack of concentration, lack of chances created, lack of shots, movement, bravery. It's a whole load of nothing. When things are this bad, the last thing the fans want to see is a corner passed all of the way back to the keeper, it's nonsensical and gutless. Swing that ball into the box, you can't score goals playing back to the keeper from a corner.

We just look like a lazy and uninterested football team. There is zero excitement to our football unless Palmer turns up and puts in a good performance. When he's off his game, it's even more noticeable how boring we are to watch. The fans in the stadium are bored and fed up because we are miserable to watch. The least entertaining team to watch.

Maresca keeps talking a lot in the media, but from what I have gathered from Leicester fans, this slow build up play is his kind of football. We are in desperate need of the opposite of that.

Edited August 23, 20241 yr by Scott Harris

It is frustrating at times. I know. We all know. I am just not cool with booing our young players. This team now - this season -  is very different to the team of last season even. So the legacy booing is not useful. These are young lads.  They need our support.

8 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Why do you find that hard to believe when we’ve had 3 managers replaced who tried to do otherwise.

So Raheem's exile is solely board orchestrated? Maresca said himself that it was his decision, is he lying there? 

If he has the authority to banish more than 15 players to train away from the first team (in his own words) then I am sure he has some sway in the transfer proceedings. 

 

Edited August 23, 20241 yr by Erik

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

It is frustrating at times. I know. We all know. I am just not cool with booing our young players. This team now - this season -  is very different to the team of last season even. So the legacy booing is not useful. These are young lads.  They need our support.

I'm not really a booing type of person either, but I have sympathy for them. It's hard to understand why every club can offer some form of entertainment, yet when we look at our own team, they look like they just got out of bed for an early morning jog.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm not really a booing type of person either, but I have sympathy for them. It's hard to understand why every club can offer some form of entertainment, yet when we look at our own team, they look like they just got out of bed for an early morning jog.

I guess we have to be patient.  It is still like pre-season for a lot of our lads. When Palmer is back on form and linking up with Mr.Felix I am hoping that we can deliver some excitement despite the tactics and strategy of Maresca. We should give them 10 games or so maybe?  Before judgement and Enzo out.

As an aside, I wish the media would focus on how young our Chelsea team is rather than all the other stuff.  Any other club and the media would be fawning over the youngsters.

1 hour ago, Erik said:

I find it hard to believe that is the case honestly. 

Why do you think Poch was happy to leave? He was allowed little or no say in comings and goings. Specifically, he wanted to keep Gallagher. The owners and Siegfried & Roy wanted Gallagher out. Poch walked. 

13 minutes ago, dermott said:

Why do you think Poch was happy to leave? He was allowed little or no say in comings and goings. Specifically, he wanted to keep Gallagher. The owners and Siegfried & Roy wanted Gallagher out. Poch walked. 

Poch wanted more authority than the board were prepared to give. Maresca is probably a balanced appointment. Does this mean Maresca has zero say in transfers to the point where he just picks a starting XI every week. There's no evidence to support this thinking. We can clearly see from the squad building this season, he might have more of a say than Poch ever did. 

1 hour ago, Erik said:

I'm sure Maresca has enough sway in decision making to influence whether a player stays or goes. Otherwise we effectively have a coach who just takes training and picks a starting eleven. 

Maresca does what he's told, the club will sell and buy players based on finances and not on ability or suitability . Maresca has to work with whatever the club decides.

 

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Maybe they lowered the volume for the club stream.

1 & 2, I agree.

There was a massive delay normally reserved for high risk games when something can or may happen (you know when they lower sound or move to another camera so you don't see what's going on) Normally it's a short delay unless its classed as high risk, but this one was long. You can tell from the commentators. They were commentating the exact time a pass or shot or any action was happening. They ain't psychic, lol.

I was going to ask during the game if this was the norm via the Chelsea stream, first time using it, or if it was classed as high risk (lots of swearing that can be heard can be classed as high risk).

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yup. When I am seeing Kovacic, Doku, and Silva  destroying their lungs for 90mins against us whilst Enzo, Nkunku and Caicedo are jogging, it's music to my ears to hear this. 

Hopefully we keep are depth healthy so there is always competition for spots. 

Exactly...agreed, and I think we do better with strict managers/coaches too.

25 minutes ago, Erik said:

Poch wanted more authority than the board were prepared to give. Maresca is probably a balanced appointment. Does this mean Maresca has zero say in transfers to the point where he just picks a starting XI every week. There's no evidence to support this thinking. We can clearly see from the squad building this season, he might have more of a say than Poch ever did. 

Read some of the previous posts and check some of his vids mate, pre and post game when they ask about transfers, etc.

He has very little say...Gallagher, Sterling, etc isn't his call. He wanted sterling at the beginning but they took him away and gave him Neto and felix for example.

For the last few weeks we've gone over the vids and interviews, it's in this thread, he's purely a coach not a manager. He said as much too.

The "Unfortunately 10 days left for transfers..." bit was very telling. I think that vid is still available on the chelsea website bud.

Edited August 23, 20241 yr by Simplymo

5 hours ago, dermott said:

Maresca isn't in charge of comings and goings. That's the board and Siegfried & Roy. The irony you point out would be lost on them. Irony to them would be how you feel when the urge to iron strikes you.

We have had an irony gif on here for years Dermott.

5 hours ago, Erik said:

I'm sure Maresca has enough sway in decision making to influence whether a player stays or goes

I'm sure not. He's a puppet as far as decisions made by Dumb and Dumber go. Pretty sure Gallagher's situation was one of the main things that pushed Poch out as well as Enzo's season long sub par performance, and our end of season performance boost without him used as currency by Poch to mould team without board instructions or meddling. 

Conversely, he has been quiet and when pushed, rationalised the cluster f**k of a situation they made of Gallagher leaving and why Enzo has been promptly handed the captaincy, a bonkers decision that even if he was the best and most experienced player in the team, you avoid doing in light of his racist situation.

If Maresca has no say in transfers, how on earth have we ended up with Dewsbury-Hall from his old club Leicester ? Surely he must have requested that ?

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

If Maresca has no say in transfers, how on earth have we ended up with Dewsbury-Hall from his old club Leicester ? Surely he must have requested that ?

Buying at more than market value was probably part of the compensation to get Maresca. Begs the question as to whether or not Drinkwater-Hall, I mean Dewsbury-Hall, will be held to the same consistency criteria required of others. 

14 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I'll go back to what I said a couple of days ago, there are fans thinking the booing is the reaction to one or two games, it's not, it years of watching the same laboured performances game after game, from first minute to last. Performances like last night should be those performances fans see a few times a season, but with us, it's the norm. Low energy, lack of concentration, lack of chances created, lack of shots, movement, bravery. It's a whole load of nothing. When things are this bad, the last thing the fans want to see is a corner passed all of the way back to the keeper, it's nonsensical and gutless. Swing that ball into the box, you can't score goals playing back to the keeper from a corner.

We just look like a lazy and uninterested football team. There is zero excitement to our football unless Palmer turns up and puts in a good performance. When he's off his game, it's even more noticeable how boring we are to watch. The fans in the stadium are bored and fed up because we are miserable to watch. The least entertaining team to watch.

Maresca keeps talking a lot in the media, but from what I have gathered from Leicester fans, this slow build up play is his kind of football. We are in desperate need of the opposite of that.

Don’t go much to The Bridge anymore. Can’t think of any specific occasions but I have booed us in the past. Pay your money, you’re pretty much free to express  your views. Can’t be Stepford Wives Happy Cllappy throughout a sh*t season. Sometimes think the odd boo can send a rocket up the arse of management/ owners. 

Re Boring football- we’ve had roughly 4 years of it. As someone of an age where going to Chelsea was a social thing; you’d have a laugh, enjoy on the spot witty songs, soak up the atmosphere- that’s largely disappeared from the match day experience, therefore the only thing to focus on is the game itself. If that is tedious, what’s the point of going, which is why myself and many others in our fold don’t go much anymore, or more likely have a few jars before or after the game round The Bridge, and watch it in a Wandsworth Pub which shows all the games. Rambling on a bit…..
 

 

10 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

If Maresca has no say in transfers, how on earth have we ended up with Dewsbury-Hall from his old club Leicester ? Surely he must have requested that ?

He said he had a say. That is on film. 

16 hours ago, Erik said:

I find it hard to believe that is the case honestly. 

I am leaning more towards he has very little say in transfers. 

Lets look at players:

Mudryk/Sterling -  Maresca saying Sterling isn't the type of winger he likes but Mudryk is? I know Sterling is not popular but in just football terms we get way more out of him the Mudryk who really hasn't shown anything to suggest he is ready for first team. The boards just wants Sterling gone because of his high wages not because Maresca thinks Sterling is worse than Mudryk.

Chalobah - Remember how Maresca deemed him not good enough, not good enough to even be on the bench/pre season tour. Now he is banished and we got Badiashile, an unproven Tosin and injury prone players in defence.

Madueke - How is he still for sale, especially after the preseason and the goal on Thursday. Maresca comments are weird too, saying he likes him but anything is possible till transfer end, ok?

Goalkeepers - why we buy 8 keepers and out of that Sanchez is the best apparently and Maresca is even happy with that? 

Gallagher - well was on sale the last 2 years so how can Maresca even stop that if he wanted to. Poch didn't so he walked (one of many inconsistencies with the board)

 

Chukwuemeka - Again Maresca says he is a very good players but he won't finds many minutes here. Okay he refered to injuries but he recovered now and others players in the forst team were given time even thou they were constantly out injured... The board just bought too many players so they have to ship him out.

 

KDH - finally it seems this is a Maresca signing but an underwhelming one (at least so far) i guess the exception proves the rule.

28 minutes ago, evissy said:

He said he had a say. That is on film. 

I've got an IQ of 199 and I created Mensa and I'm willing to say so on film.

16 hours ago, Erik said:

So Raheem's exile is solely board orchestrated? Maresca said himself that it was his decision, is he lying there? 

If he has the authority to banish more than 15 players to train away from the first team (in his own words) then I am sure he has some sway in the transfer proceedings. 

 

Well on August 4th he said Sterling is an important player for him.. take that as you will...

 

Enzo Maresca was asked about his plan for the 29-year-old, who has had to play different roles at Chelsea.

“The position of Raheem, for me, is a winger; the position he was in the first four games with us. I don’t see him in another position,” Enzo Maresca said.

 

“In any game, it can happen when we need to use him in a different position. For sure, he is one of our important players, together with the rest.

“At this moment, sometimes he is playing from the start, sometimes he goes inside. The important thing is we give him minutes, and he is doing well.”

Edited August 24, 20241 yr by Nevamind