The quite obvious point I was making, is that people like you are not supporting Torres in any way, you are doing the complete opposite, you are wanting him to fail!

That way you can come on here and have a little rant!

As I said he played badly, so did lots of players last night, did it need another 2 pages of this thread and the same arguements being churned out?

The other Torres thread was locked, but without looking it up I'd say that thread and this probably combine to 160 pages that could probably be condensed into 20 pages!

no one wants him to fail for gods sake... any proper chelsea fan would want our spending justified and to have him firing on him cylinders... BUT THAT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN.. its the most normal thing in the world for a fan to not want a sh*tty player on their team

as for the rest of your post... this is a discussion board after all mate

no one wants him to fail for gods sake... any proper chelsea fan would want our spending justified and to have him firing on him cylinders... BUT THAT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN.. its the most normal thing in the world for a fan to not want a sh*tty player on their team

as for the rest of your post... this is a discussion board after all mate

If you don't want him to fail then why do you revel in it so much?

because he is failing and i dont see that ever changing

because he is failing and i dont see that ever changing

That is the weakest arguement yet, fo not supporting a Chelsea player!

Are you saying that because he is a Chelsea player people cant criticise him? Lets think of this another way, if someone at your work was brought in on big wages and wasnt doing the job that well that he was paid to do would you be happy with that?

Or are you English? In the last world cup are you saying that you didnt moan a little about the terrible performances from the england team?

That is the weakest arguement yet, fo not supporting a Chelsea player!

what, a player who has been sh*t, is still sh*t, and probably will continue to be sh*t ?

i dont see any better reason to be against a player

The perceived obsession of 'wanting him to fail' is just as bad as the persistent flaming of those who are frustrated at him being a spent force.

Edited October 24, 201213 yr by Zola

I will back Torres the whole time he is blue but I now think replacing him in January is best for everyone.

He is not suited to our style of play, we need more of a link up man with a good first touch who is creative around the box as teams are sitting in and defending deep. Torres has always been more of a striker who plays off the shoulder and more suited to a counter attacking team - although I'm not sure this would even suit him any more as he has lost that pace.

Replacing him with with a top striker (Falcao please) would clearly benefit the team and as much as I would love for us to stick with Torres and for him to come good I just can't see him doing it on a regualr basis any more.

Everyone has there right to an opinion but I'd say in 80% of our games this season that torres has been very good. The trouble is that when he has a bad game ( like last night) it tends to be a very bad game. That then get's highlighted and people come out with there bullsh*t like " He is never going to succeed" or "He was finished years ago". That is a load of bollocks! Torres has had a good start to the season and like everyone else is entitled to a bad game every now and then.

He has been getting himself in scoring chances which last year he didn't. I will only start to worry about torres if he put's in consistent rubbish performances like last night.

Edited October 24, 201213 yr by Bluehatter

what, a player who has been sh*t, is still sh*t, and probably will continue to be sh*t ?

i dont see any better reason to be against a player

You're not bitter at all are you, and i can see that despite your perceived just criticism you really do want him to succeed... like f**k.

Alan

Edited October 24, 201213 yr by chelseablueboy

You're not bitter at all are you, and i can see that despite your perceived just criticism you really do want him to succeed... like f**k.

Alan

i do want him to succeed. im just not naive. i didnt hold out hope for boswinga or kaloui to turn into top players, i dont expect torres to.

end of the day its chelsea i want to do well. i think the team would be far betteroff without him. simple really. and i know everyone else here is the same because say torres plays like this and remains our striker forthe next 5 years, more people will speak out against it. i just draw the line earlier

Its interesting that the average responce of a "torres supporter" is to lable those that are not convinced, spightfull, bitter, spoiled,

It's like we are rife with oppinion nazis around here these days. requirements are basically follow with out questions

edit: didnt meqn that

Edited October 24, 201213 yr by onebelo

Where are the threads saying Cole is sh*t or Brana, because they both had pretty piss poor games last night, in fact Cole was shocking!

Wheres the ranting at Lampard? Who has been our worst performer all season!

This is my problem with the Torres bashing that goes on, its incossistant compared to other players.

Torres has had a good start to the season, he has had 3 bad games, of which last night was 1!

Lets get our perspective right on this!

Its interesting that the average responce of a "torres supporter" is to lable those that are not convinced, spightfull, bitter, spoiled,

It's like we are rife with oppinion nazis around here these days. requirements are basically follow with out questions

No it's not about toeing the party line. The problem is that any discussion about Torres seems to lead to an inevitable polarisation of opinions. At the one extreme you have those who concentrate only on what he doesn't do, what he does badly, and at the other those who leap to his defence, often I feel as a reaction to the inordinate amount of criticism he's received since signing for the club.

I say "inordinate", it is of course that £50 million fee that's responsible for the strength of opinions on both sides. The anti-Torres brigade have trouble seeing past what they think we should be getting for that kind of money. Which might be a fair point, except that it's been long accepted that we paid well over the odds for the player.

Torres is not a £50 million player, never was and never will be. Neither is he completely useless. Last night he was poor, his worst game for some time, but the same could be said of almost every player in a blue shirt. As a team can and will play a lot better than we did last night, but along the way we're also going to have a few stinkers. The same goes for Torres.

No it's not about toeing the party line. The problem is that any discussion about Torres seems to lead to an inevitable polarisation of opinions. At the one extreme you have those who concentrate only on what he doesn't do, what he does badly, and at the other those who leap to his defence, often I feel as a reaction to the inordinate amount of criticism he's received since signing for the club.

I say "inordinate", it is of course that £50 million fee that's responsible for the strength of opinions on both sides. The anti-Torres brigade have trouble seeing past what they think we should be getting for that kind of money. Which might be a fair point, except that it's been long accepted that we paid well over the odds for the player.

Torres is not a £50 million player, never was and never will be. Neither is he completely useless. Last night he was poor, his worst game for some time, but the same could be said of almost every player in a blue shirt. As a team can and will play a lot better than we did last night, but along the way we're also going to have a few stinkers. The same goes for Torres.

TD - its not about the actual poloirsation of oppinion, its about the genneral responce to questionng torre's place in starting line up can lead to comments about how people are spightfull, spoilt, bitter, stupid, moronic, a chiled, a johny come latly.. i dont know.

if some one is conducting a logical argument providing reasoning why are they abused ?

TD - its not about the actual poloirsation of oppinion, its about the genneral responce to questionng torre's place in starting line up can lead to comments about how people are spightfull, spoilt, bitter, stupid, moronic, a chiled, a johny come latly.. i dont know.

if some one is conducting a logical argument providing reasoning why are they abused ?

I was speaking generally, but in the case of one particular person - the person I'm guessing you're referring to, it seems to be the sheer weight of anti-Torres sentiment that's become a bit wearing. This person even managed to write a précis on a match in which Torres scored and set up another goal or two, without so much as mentioning his name.

I'm all for criticism, preferably constructive. but constantly slagging off teh same player while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge any of the good things he does, blaming this player for the ills of the team, it all gets a bit much after a while.

I'm with Tommy on this, if a player has a bad game, he should be called on it, but if he's part of a bad team performance why should 1 person take all the blame?

I'm not just talking about Torres here, I mean all players!

I don't think it's about the price tag, I think it's more about what he was bought in to be/do. He was bought to be a superstar striker (a goalscorer if you will), to replace the ageing Drogba and to help maintain the club at the highest level. That first half a season, although he wasn't really fit when he arrived he was backed, by the manager, the players and the fans - let's be honest as a club we wanted Torres, we wanted a player to take over from Drogba who by that stage was clearly on the wain. He played the first game and looked woeful, his touch was off, he wasn't fit and he didn't look like scoring. That trend continued for the rest of the season, during which time Drogba became first choice again. The support of Torres from the terraces didn't change, next season with a good preseason and with the right support we'd see the real Torres!

And so to his first full season, there was a bit of an issue with the style of football we were playing not really suiting his game, we were still set-up to attack to Drogba's strengths. But he didn't create anything for himself either. Now I've got to say at this point that some of the chances that haven't gone in for Torres at this stage, he'd done everything right and only the fates seemed to be against him. There was no doubt in his first full season that he was fitter than the half a season prior but not much more useful. So much so that most of his good work happened out on the wings. He'd completely lost his bottle, didn't want to be in dangerous positions and didn't know what to do when he got there.

Role on to this season, backed still by the fans in the stands (more than almost any other player), backed beyond all reasonable limits by the manager - we're going into the season without a challenge to his starting position! Yet here we are again discussing his merits or lack of. Yes he's scored a few goals so far this season which is a dramatic improvement, yes he's had some nice touches beside that - he also causes many many attacks to break down - and he generally looks fairly fit. He's still not anywhere near the quality of player that we need. At some point in the season we're going to go through a spell where we're not playing well, that's when you need a striker that can dig you out of a hole if you want to win anything, I'm pretty sure even his biggest fans don't believe that Torres is that man? United have been sh*t for most of this season, yet in Van Persie they have someone that frightens the life out of defenders and delivers regularly.

I think it's great that our attacking play is so fluid and free-flowing at the moment but I don't think it will see us right through a long hard season. We need an edge and Torres has never and will never give us that.

I was so excited when we signed him (I was with Sutton as well!) but we're not Torres Football Club, we're Chelsea and Torres isn't doing the job that Chelsea need him to do.

Where are the threads saying Cole is sh*t or Brana, because they both had pretty piss poor games last night, in fact Cole was shocking!

Wheres the ranting at Lampard? Who has been our worst performer all season!

This is my problem with the Torres bashing that goes on, its incossistant compared to other players.

Torres has had a good start to the season, he has had 3 bad games, of which last night was 1!

Lets get our perspective right on this!

are you mad ? cole is 95% of the time excellent for us. brana does come under a decent amount of criticism on here. and lamps? you havin a laugh he got the worst but thats died down seeing as HE HAS BEEN DROPPED. the critisim is not at all inconsistent on here - theres a reason players like torres & mikel and to smaller extent luiz are the ones getting it the most

Edited October 24, 201213 yr by onebelo

are you mad ? cole is 95% of the time excellent for us. brana does come under a decent amount of criticism on here. and lamps? you havin a laugh he got the worst but thats died down seeing as HE HAS BEEN DROPPED. the critisim is not at all inconsistent on here - theres a reason players like torres & mikel and to smaller extent luiz are the ones getting it the most

I will assume that you never watch games, and in future ignore all your comments!

Where are the threads saying Cole is sh*t or Brana, because they both had pretty piss poor games last night, in fact Cole was shocking!

Wheres the ranting at Lampard? Who has been our worst performer all season!

This is my problem with the Torres bashing that goes on, its incossistant compared to other players.

Torres has had a good start to the season, he has had 3 bad games, of which last night was 1!

Lets get our perspective right on this!

They have proven themselves as top class players season in - season out for alot of years now at Chelsea. Torres cost us 50mp and hasn`t done anything to prove that he was worth even a third of that. We bought a goalgetter and we got 18 goals in 80 games for 50mp. It`s an awful record no matter how you look at it.

And people are "slating" Torres because they are fed up with his bad touches, crap finishing and overall bad play. Not because of yesterdays game. Because that fact is that Torres looks like that more often than not for us.

They have proven themselves as top class players season in - season out for alot of years now at Chelsea. Torres cost us 50mp and hasn`t done anything to prove that he was worth even a third of that. We bought a goalgetter and we got 18 goals in 80 games for 50mp. It`s an awful record no matter how you look at it.

And people are "slating" Torres because they are fed up with his bad touches, crap finishing and overall bad play. Not because of yesterdays game. Because that fact is that Torres looks like that more often than not for us.

you must not watch our matches!

No it's not about toeing the party line. The problem is that any discussion about Torres seems to lead to an inevitable polarisation of opinions. At the one extreme you have those who concentrate only on what he doesn't do, what he does badly, and at the other those who leap to his defence, often I feel as a reaction to the inordinate amount of criticism he's received since signing for the club.

I say "inordinate", it is of course that £50 million fee that's responsible for the strength of opinions on both sides. The anti-Torres brigade have trouble seeing past what they think we should be getting for that kind of money. Which might be a fair point, except that it's been long accepted that we paid well over the odds for the player.

Torres is not a £50 million player, never was and never will be. Neither is he completely useless. Last night he was poor, his worst game for some time, but the same could be said of almost every player in a blue shirt. As a team can and will play a lot better than we did last night, but along the way we're also going to have a few stinkers. The same goes for Torres.

torres at his peak was as near to a 50 million player as I've seen in the EPL, he dragged us through a sh*t load of games.

torres at his peak was as near to a 50 million player as I've seen in the EPL, he dragged us through a sh*t load of games.

This might well have been true once upon a time, but it wasn't at the time we bought him. Feel free to read "never" as shorthand for not since Torres has been a Chelsea player.