1 hour ago, Dixons said:

Stay where we are and just knockdown Chelsea village and extend that end first. Then extend and referb the Harding stand and then referb the rest of the stadium over the following years.

It is surely likely to restrict the ultimate capacity further. Digging down as significantly as the current plans envisage would be much harder to achieve and that makes height restrictions even more of a problem.

3 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

It is surely likely to restrict the ultimate capacity further. Digging down as significantly as the current plans envisage would be much harder to achieve and that makes height restrictions even more of a problem.

There are no current plans though! We could easily get to 52,000 by knocking down the village and then working on the rest of the stadium. 52,000 is big enough for us.

Amazing that a multi million pound business that is watching it's nearest rivals moving forward and investing in the long term future come out with comments like stadium is on hold and there is no time frame. They might as well waved goodbye to other clubs as they disappear over the hill. 

Since 2003 when Roman took over we've had trophies galore and amazing memories that any club would die for, and I wouldn't trade for anything, but I hope we don't end up like a bloke that's won the lottery and pissed it all up against the wall and in 20 years time andlook back at it all and we are in an outdated stadium while many other clubs in London are in bigger or better stadiums. If like the board say we are on hold with the stadium in reality we are going backwards.

4 hours ago, chi blue said:

Amazing that a multi million pound business that is watching it's nearest rivals moving forward and investing in the long term future come out with comments like stadium is on hold and there is no time frame. They might as well waved goodbye to other clubs as they disappear over the hill. 

Since 2003 when Roman took over we've had trophies galore and amazing memories that any club would die for, and I wouldn't trade for anything, but I hope we don't end up like a bloke that's won the lottery and pissed it all up against the wall and in 20 years time andlook back at it all and we are in an outdated stadium while many other clubs in London are in bigger or better stadiums. If like the board say we are on hold with the stadium in reality we are going backwards.

Hard to expect Roman to spend hundreds of millions of his own money when the British govt have been unwilling on the Visa front. 

2 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Hard to expect Roman to spend hundreds of millions of his own money when the British govt have been unwilling on the Visa front. 

I think everyone understands that. But at the same time find it frustrating. 

It's why it would be amazing if we can find a buyer who has the willingness to invest.

12 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I think everyone understands that. But at the same time find it frustrating. 

It's why it would be amazing if we can find a buyer who has the willingness to invest.

The problem with a new owner is we wouldn't know for a while if they are a new Roman or a Glazer's type.

On 15/05/2019 at 06:20, Dixons said:

Stay where we are and just knockdown Chelsea village and extend that end first. Then extend and referb the Harding stand and then referb the rest of the stadium over the following years.

A better answer than I gave previously to your suggestion to rebuild existing stands. 

 

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This has been looked at previously, but would not give a good return on investment - i.e. the seat gain per £ spent is high - although unlikely to be as high as the existing proposal. The primary reason however is the height we can build to with so many neighbouring properties close by. This is why the pitch level in the new stadium proposal is below ground level - in fact the top of the lower tier in the new proposal is at ground level, making the entire lower tier below ground. Lowering the pitch just isn't possible with a stand by stand rebuild and limits the height we can build to (even if we do have the depth/land mass to do so). 

The East stand is extremely efficient in terms of capacity vs space. Rebuilding under todays reg's and keeping the same capacity would mean building out over the railway line and taking the space we have available with any right to build over the line. Height then becomes an issue again. 

That said, anyone who has been in the East stand knows that although it's really efficient in terms of capacity vs space, facilities are woeful and concourse areas cramped - it really does need replacing to keep pace with modern grounds. 

I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe at a push we could get to just below 50K with a rebuild of three stands and that is with capping over both railway lines for access. The return on investment just doesn't stack up with a ~10k capacity increase, even with more corp space.

from https://www.skyscrapercity.com

10 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

The problem with a new owner is we wouldn't know for a while if they are a new Roman or a Glazer's type.

I may be wrong but believe the money Roman has put in is a loan and would be recouped in the sale price.

The problem is only having Fulham Rd to exit on. This is why planning has been turned down on other applications in the past.

14 hours ago, Ewell CFC said:

I may be wrong but believe the money Roman has put in is a loan and would be recouped in the sale price.

I have seen many media outlets over the years claim Roman converted the 'loan' into equity. 

1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

I have seen many media outlets over the years claim Roman converted the 'loan' into equity. 

Fordstam the clubs parent company owe him just over 1.1bn in the form of an interest free loan, which he can technically call in with 18 months notice.

It is stated as much on the balance sheet of the last accounts filed with companies house.

5 hours ago, Blue Exile said:

Fordstam the clubs parent company owe him just over 1.1bn in the form of an interest free loan, which he can technically call in with 18 months notice.

It is stated as much on the balance sheet of the last accounts filed with companies house.

Yes, but he owns Fordstam. So Roman owes Roman 1.1bn.

 

 

5 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

Yes, but he owns Fordstam. So Roman owes Roman 1.1bn.

 

 

Indeed and he will want it back upon sale, which was the point of the other poster. The money he has put in is there in the accounts as a creditor.  Which probably accounts for his ‘asking price’ if you put the profit he feels he is entitled to on top.

On 16/05/2019 at 10:54, kiwi1691 said:

A better answer than I gave previously to your suggestion to rebuild existing stands. 

 

from https://www.skyscrapercity.com

Thannk you for posting that article which very clearly outlines the major problems facing any redevelopmet.   We're in a pickle in more ways than one at the mo. But, good or bad, there's always something going on at Chelsea. It's never boring, that's for sure!

Edited May 17, 20197 yr by Dixons

13 hours ago, Blue Exile said:

Indeed and he will want it back upon sale, which was the point of the other poster. The money he has put in is there in the accounts as a creditor.  Which probably accounts for his ‘asking price’ if you put the profit he feels he is entitled to on top.

What I was trying to say initially was if Roman sells lets hope the person who buys Chelsea is not a Glazer's type. The Glazer's look at Utd as a business, where as Roman is a genuine fan of Chelsea. Chelsea is more than a business to Roman. 

 

 

That does not mean that if Roman is forced to sell, he will not get as much as he can. 

4 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

What I was trying to say initially was if Roman sells lets hope the person who buys Chelsea is not a Glazer's type. The Glazer's look at Utd as a business, where as Roman is a genuine fan of Chelsea. Chelsea is more than a business to Roman. 

 

 

That does not mean that if Roman is forced to sell, he will not get as much as he can. 

I completely agree mate, in fact I think I recall Roman was quoted way back when, that he didn’t buy Chelsea to make money as he had other things for that, but it was to pass on as a legacy to his son. Not sure how much the political situation has soured his mindset, I am just fearful of us being stuck in limbo with an owner who isn’t as keyed in, but his asking price is too high to attract any buyers.

Build a 60,000 stadium when we can only sell a pathetic 2000 tickets for a European final. If i was Roman i'd feel letdown bigtime by this total. embarrassment. We do not deserve to be a so called "big club" with a fanbase that does this.

5 minutes ago, Dixons said:

Build a 60,000 stadium when we can only sell a pathetic 2000 tickets for a European final. If i was Roman i'd feel letdown bigtime by this total. embarrassment. We do not deserve to be a so called "big club" with a fanbase that does this.

Arsenal haven't sold much more either. There are circumstances that have prevented fans from traveling to Baku on both sides. The lack of flights is a big issue as well as playing midweek. Taking 3 days off work to pay exorbitant prices for flights and tickets is a tough ask for most people. 

 

What this had to do with our new stadium idk

Edited May 23, 20197 yr by TheChelseaBlues

I like the Bridge as it is tbh. Don’t really like that sh*thole we were planning ??

1 hour ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Arsenal haven't sold much more either. There are circumstances that have prevented fans from traveling to Baku on both sides. The lack of flights is a big issue as well as playing midweek. Taking 3 days off work to pay exorbitant prices for flights and tickets is a tough ask for most people. 

 

What this had to do with our new stadium idk

Read back some other posts on this page (one by me) about corporate boxes no longer selling out and someone else saying season ticket sales are down. This year we also had our lowest attendance for years against Brighton, and now we have this news. These are worrying signs about declining support. Who in their right mind would go ahead with a very expensive stadium build if they see support starting to drift away? That is why i posted in this thread.

44 minutes ago, Dixons said:

Read back some other posts on this page (one by me) about corporate boxes no longer selling out and someone else saying season ticket sales are down. This year we also had our lowest attendance for years against Brighton, and now we have this news. These are worrying signs about declining support. Who in their right mind would go ahead with a very expensive stadium build if they see support starting to drift away? That is why i posted in this thread.

Support drifting away is one thing. Pricing/overcomplicating fans out of matches is another. Baku has nothing to do with our stadium being filled. If we cant fill the stadium out against Brighton then yea that's a problem. Not selling out tickets to a match thousands of kilometers away which is midweek and overly complicated to get to doesn't reflect on Chelsea fans as much as the poor planning and location UEFA have chosen. 

I get it, you're disappointed more fans aren't going. That doesn't mean the support isnt there however. Arsenal have the same situation and they have a 60k stadium.

You're also not mentioning the thousands of Chelsea fans across Europe who will be in attendance. 

2 hours ago, Dixons said:

Read back some other posts on this page (one by me) about corporate boxes no longer selling out and someone else saying season ticket sales are down. This year we also had our lowest attendance for years against Brighton, and now we have this news. These are worrying signs about declining support. Who in their right mind would go ahead with a very expensive stadium build if they see support starting to drift away? That is why i posted in this thread.

Declining support? Absolute bollocks. Go and look at our average attendance compared to the stadium capacity instead of knee jerking over a single game where the attendance was slightly lower than usual. Our percentage of attendance to capacity remains one of the highest in the premier league.

7 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Arsenal haven't sold much more either. There are circumstances that have prevented fans from traveling to Baku on both sides. The lack of flights is a big issue as well as playing midweek. Taking 3 days off work to pay exorbitant prices for flights and tickets is a tough ask for most people. 

 

What this had to do with our new stadium idk

Arsenal have only sold more because the game is by far more important to them than to us, we have won two European trophies in the last 7 years including the big one, so this doesn't mean so much to us. Also we have a bit of a dillalusioned fan base at present. Season ticket renewals were due by last Friday as well, so more expense. 

6 hours ago, Dixons said:

Read back some other posts on this page (one by me) about corporate boxes no longer selling out and someone else saying season ticket sales are down. This year we also had our lowest attendance for years against Brighton, and now we have this news. These are worrying signs about declining support. Who in their right mind would go ahead with a very expensive stadium build if they see support starting to drift away? That is why i posted in this thread.

Our support isint declining, we are the only club who in last 15 years who always sell out every cup game, 40k v your Sc**thorpe's and Macclesfield's etc. If super Frank comes in next season tickets will be Gold dust.

6 hours ago, Dixons said:

Read back some other posts on this page (one by me) about corporate boxes no longer selling out and someone else saying season ticket sales are down. This year we also had our lowest attendance for years against Brighton, and now we have this news. These are worrying signs about declining support. Who in their right mind would go ahead with a very expensive stadium build if they see support starting to drift away? That is why i posted in this thread.

So many circumstances for Brighton. 

Almost every game since Feb has been a night game at the bridge. It was against a team no one cares about in a league we aren't going to win. Of course the support was down. 

We sell out cup games every season, arsenal can't even half fill their stadium, neither can Tottenham. 

I dont know why anyone would spend a grand going to Baku to watch a Europa League final. So I'm surprised we got 2k to go.