I apologise if this is in the wrong section () but I want to know peoples thoughts on this. 

 

I've always moaned about the fact that we need DLP. Someone who can dictate play to an efficient level, has creativity and very good passing ability. I think our defence needs strengthening a little bit (and a bit more depth if we don't use our youngsters)* but I feel that, if we wanted to challenge for the top titles we'll need a DLP. Possibilities?

 

Moutinho: Gone to Monaco
Matic: 45m tag... 
Gundogan: Dortmund will do all they can to stop him from going (and he signed a new contract)
Montolivo: He'd be good and wouldn't cost an enormous amount, but I can't imagine Milan not being reluctant to let him go. I think they're trying to stop some spanish clubs from getting him too. 
Honda: Good player, free transfer, but would he be good enough for the top titles?

 

Thiago is very good at dictacting play but his physicality would be a problem with our already non physical team unless we're going to just try and outpass every team Barcelona style.

 

I'd want Oscar to be tried in the DLP role (as some have suggested), but not now as I feel there will be a few problems. He's too rash with his passing to be considered in that role right now. In the future maybe though -- like if one observes Bayern Munich, Dortmund, madrid and their DLPs, they can just control the tempo of a game so well. Oscar playing on the wing obviously hasn't helped, but even when he drifts into the middle and gets involved in the interplay, it just doesn't really seem to be as controlled as our other playmakers, and to put him in an even more pivotal position will mean that he'll have to become better at that.

He'd probably be more of a Modric type player than an alonso/carrick who are more sitting type players. He'd need to bulk up and get better at tackling -- he's good at marking players though to be fair (which he often did under Di Matteo). I don't know too much about his long range passing either though -- maybe he'll be good there in 3 or so seasons but not yet.

 

Can KDB play that role? Or perhaps the rumoured Van Ginkel (I know nothing about him).

 

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*I think a CB (like Mangala - very good, promising player) is needed for the defence but that's not as important IMO. Doesn't really need to have the ability to cover the full back positions because Ivanovic and Essien can both play there if we can't play Azpilicueta, and we've got Bertrand for LB. 

 

EDIT: And in my hastiness to write this I didn't notice the 'which midfielder would be best for Chelsea?' thread Oops... 

Edited June 25, 201313 yr by MANoWAR

I'd be off the moon if we signed Montolivo, he's my favourite Italian player and I believe he had the highest number of long passes in Europe this season. However, I'm sure the peeps at Milan know this aswell and will go through hell to keep a hold of him.

Van Ginkel is the most realistic option at the moment.

The DLP isn't an issue we have KDB Lampard Ramires possibly Van Ginkel and to an extent McEachran playing in that role. The other side of the pivot the destroyer is what worries me. Mikel could do a job but looks like he might be off Romeu looks like a loan deal Essien isn't the player he was and Chalobah could probably do with a season on loan. If we sign De Rossi we and keep Romeu and Essien and loan out Chalobah we should be sorted in midfield.

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

The DLP isn't an issue we have KDB Lampard Ramires possibly Van Ginkel and to an extent McEachran playing in that role. The other side of the pivot the destroyer is what worries me. Mikel could do a job but looks like he might be off Romeu looks like a loan deal Essien isn't the player he was and Chalobah could probably do with a season on loan. If we sign De Rossi we and keep Romeu and Essien and loan out Chalobah we should be sorted in midfield.

 

Lampard really can't start every game at his age, nor will he able to play games for the full 90 mins continually. We'll need someone younger. 

 

I'm unsure on McEachran yet -- I hadn't been that impressed last season and we didn't hear much from him, unlike Chalobah who we heard from quite a lot. 

 

I really don't think Mikel is good enough. He could do the job against lesser teams but if we want to aim for the top we'll need someone better. So, sell him, and get De Rossi if we want a proper DM. 

 

Yeah José is big on Ramires so we'll see him a lot next season. I like him, but I'm not a HUGE fan though -- I feel we could have someone more technical + better at controlling the play -- but he does his job efficiently I guess.

 

KDB is the one I'm really looking forward too. 

 

I think we could use Luiz as a DLP you know this season. Plus he can play box to box, he can also tackle and when he wants to can be defensively disciplined. 

I think luiz can be up to it defensively but tbh I think he'll be useful as a CM/DM due to his attacking qualities. Could play as a destroyer well. Don't want what José will do with him. 

Honda!!!

DLP is a deep lying playmaker. A Pirlo or Xabi Alonso

Luiz is a centre back to me. I believe Kevin De Bruyne will be first choice and Lampard and Ramires rotating but Van Ginkel could play his way in (if we sign him). If we play 4-2-3-1 we need defensive midfielder over a deep playmaker. Maybe 2 if Essien isn't deemed reliable as backup and Romeu is loaned but in De Bruyne, Lampard, Ramires and possibly Van Ginkel we should have enough for the more attacking side of the 2.

True be told, we have one in Romeu.  Oscar could potentially fill the role, but I'm not sure that is his true position.   

 

Also, I would'n bet KDB to play in that position (he's going to play in the 3 attacking positions).  

 

FYI, Luiz is not a DLP.

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

 

God damn you for stealing my post 

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

 

 

Lol I agree with you tbh. I didn't like all this terminology but had to learn it because everyone else was using it. 

I've thought about the possibility of a 3-man midfield, comprised of a defensive midfield, a box-to-box, and a playmaker.  For defensive players, we could use Mikel, Essien, Romeu (I'd personally loan him for a season), and Luiz, and maybe look at someone like Luiz Gustavo.  For box-to-box, Ramires, Lampard, Essien, Van Ginkel, and for playmaker, KDB, Oscar, Lampard.  I'd say we are better strengthening in the true defensive mid area, rather than a playmaker, but that's just me.

Lol I agree with you tbh. I didn't like all this terminology but had to learn it because everyone else was using it. 

 

 

I wasn't!!

 

Bjd - I'm very grateful to you for seeking enlightenment!  I struggle with acronyms at the best of times.

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

 

A DLP is a DLM that isn't a B2BM or a traditional DM, sort of like SFL.

Honda!!!

Now now. This goes to non football section. Try the lounge. I have a Civic btw ;-)

I'd try Oscar in the role. He is the closest thing IMO.

I've thought about the possibility of a 3-man midfield, comprised of a defensive midfield, a box-to-box, and a playmaker.  For defensive players, we could use Mikel, Essien, Romeu (I'd personally loan him for a season), and Luiz, and maybe look at someone like Luiz Gustavo.  For box-to-box, Ramires, Lampard, Essien, Van Ginkel, and for playmaker, KDB, Oscar, Lampard.  I'd say we are better strengthening in the true defensive mid area, rather than a playmaker, but that's just me.

 

Isn't that how Mourinho lined up his Chelsea team last time? Makelele was the pure DM. Tiago/Essien box to box and Lampard was the main attacker from midfield, even though he dropped back to help out quite a lot. I would love to see us play 4-3-3 again.

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

modern football is rubbish because people use acronyms? sounds to me like you suffer from GOM syndrome (grumpy old man)

Edited June 26, 201313 yr by onebelo

Honda!!!

I went to the doctors the other day . Doctor I said I have a problem . Every time I pass wind it goes Honda

Ah said the Doctor you have an abscess

How on earth do you know that I asked

The Doctor looked at me and replied "Easy really just surprised you haven't heard the saying Abscess makes the fart go Honda"

I`ll get my coat!

Edited June 26, 201313 yr by terraloon

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

 

A deep-lying playmaker - one who dictates the tempo at which the team plays. Think Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Xavi and Schweinsteiger; they are all vital components to their respective teams. The very best upcoming ones include Thiago, Gundogan, Verratti and Wilshere (if he does turn out to be one).

 

IMO, it's imperative that we have someone who can fulfill the role if we continue with 4-2-3-1. I'm not aware if van Ginkel is the right man for it, but he's a very good passer and fairly responsible defensively. Montolivo is a name that's completely sailed over my head. I think he would improve us but only for the right price. Whatever the case, having someone like that will certainly help us to control the midfield and maintain possession when we have a lead -  this is getting increasingly overlooked and is also one of the reasons why we've often failed to close games out last season. 

Edited June 26, 201313 yr by Teritus

I read up on football a fair bit and I can honestly say I've never seen the shorthand DLP used anywhere before.

 

Whatever happened to good old Defenders, Midfielders and Forwards? 

Can someone please explain to me who or what a 'DLP' is?

I know what a DM is. I know who RVP is. I know who JOM is and I know who RDM is. I also sadly know what 'Mazacar' is, though I do think anyone who uses that term should be shot.

Sometimes I really do think modern football is rubbish.

Dead Long Player. Basically what me and you would call a "target man", or "Peter Crouch".....

 

 

 

This may or may not be factually incorrect.

the whole pivot phrase annoys me, when in fact its a traditional centre mid.

most sunday league teams in england play a double pivot but ive never heard that term used on a sunday morning.

with regards a dlp, I don't think its a necessity, but there were times when we couldn't win the midfield last season. We struggled against city, juventus, and schaktar, but I think that could be remedied in numerous ways.

1) on the training ground, jm could bring the best out of mikel and ramires so we see more performances like the fa cup tie at old trafford.

2) convert an existing player, de bruyne, oscar and luiz are the candidates, however I personally dont think it would be best for any of them.

3) put faith in a youngster, mceachran, ake, chalobah, loftus-cheek, or romeu. Out of that 5 id say chalobah would be the one for me if we were to take this option, the rest need a season on loan for varying reasons.

4) Sign a top midfielder, id rather spend big on a midfielder than another 50m on cavani. I would love us to sign witsel or pogba, both would be expensive ~30m but are at the right age, and the right quality.

id go with option 4 and let lukaku, ba, and torres. lead the line next year.