http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3194289/When-Jose-Mourinho-said-Chelsea-s-bench-needed-understand-game-wasn-t-sexist-dig-Eva-Carneiro.html

 

Martin Samuel's take

 

Suggests she was over enthusiastic by running on to the pitch while Hazard was having a breather. This is where the 'naive' criticism seems to come from. That she failed to understand that this was sporting gamesmanship not a medical emergency.

I think her posting on Facebook was a strategic move on her part..she is not a stupid woman and I think she knew full well what the fall out would be towards Jose'....stupid move on her part...has to be more to this than meets the eye.

Like a transformer? More than meets the eyeeeeee.

BB - yes, but equally you'll know from experience that when you're winded there's not a thing anyone else can do you at the time - you just have to wait it out till normal function returns.

Like a transformer? More than meets the eyeeeeee.

Oh I can promise you there is to Eva than meets the eye.... and she has plenty for the eye!!!

BB - yes, but equally you'll know from experience that when you're winded there's not a thing anyone else can do you at the time - you just have to wait it out till normal function returns.

100%

Somehow I missed the incident watching the match, must be a really short one 

 

So Eva went on the field to assist Hazard, and the Stoke player didn't kick the ball out, the referee didn't stop the game either? Damn, I thought that was a thing called sportsmanship. 

 

Jose over reacted in the heat of the battle, so as the comment in post match interview. let's leave it like that and move on.

Somehow I missed the incident watching the match, must be a really short one

So Eva went on the field to assist Hazard, and the Stoke player didn't kick the ball out, the referee didn't stop the game either? Damn, I thought that was a thing called sportsmanship.

Jose over reacted in the heat of the battle, so as the comment in post match interview. let's leave it like that and move on.

The stoke player? Huh? Thought we were playing Swansea?

Edited August 12, 201510 yr by MissouriBlue

Potentially The biggest loser in all of this isnt Eva, it's the club and Jose himself...we are even more under the microscope ahead of a massive game, more pressure than we could with right now...Jose's biggest bugbear is lack of loyalty and he would have seen Eva's facebook post, as benign as it was, as a bit of a retort...all in all there couldn't be a bigger contrast to the smoothness of last summer and the complete f**k-up that has been this time around...still, the master of the siege mentality will no doubt come into his own, well I hope so anyway, starting Sunday

I referred to this type of post in another thread so I'll just simply say yes he did.  And now he has criticized medical staff for making his team play a man down due to a non-existent injury.  What's your point? Are they supposed to be related because aside from Mourinho commenting there's little to no correlation.

 

Mourinho is always criticizing, thats a common trait among people who are successful at the highest levels.  They demand damn near perfection from those around them, hence the success.  I wager that the medical staff is compensated in such a fashion that such expectations could not be viewed as grossly unfair.

 

My point is that there is no consistency from his ranting, and a ridiculously unfair burden being placed on the medical staff.  When Cech had his horrible injury - Jose was quite rightly disgusted at the lack of responsiveness from emergency services which could have easily cost him his career, if not more.  In this case now, with an apparent omnipresent knowledge of his players going down, he feels happy to berate two of his colleagues and create this mess.

 

Compensation doesn't come into the matter.  A doctor is not playing the game, and outside of the health and welfare of the game is not a part of the game.  It isn't a matter of money, it is a matter of what their job is.  A medical team should always take the welfare of the person they are treating (or going to treat) first.  I don't expect a doctor in hospital to use cheapo equipment to save their hospital a few pounds, and I don't expect Chelsea's team of medical professionals to ever be expected to make a split second decision on whether a player is really injured from 50 yards away in case it doesn't benefit our chances of winning.

 

Jose's meltdown during the game at them were a big misjudgment, and his comments afterwards throwing the medical team under the bus were borderline pathetic.

Potentially The biggest loser in all of this isnt Eva, it's the club and Jose himself...we are even more under the microscope ahead of a massive game, more pressure than we could with right now...Jose's biggest bugbear is lack of loyalty and he would have seen Eva's facebook post, as benign as it was, as a bit of a retort...all in all there couldn't be a bigger contrast to the smoothness of last summer and the complete f**k-up that has been this time around...still, the master of the siege mentality will no doubt come into his own, well I hope so anyway, starting Sunday

You don't create siege mentality by throwing your own people under the bus. This whole incident is very unfortunate. Jose implying that Hazard was feigning injury makes it no better. Even if the doctors were wrong, there was no need to express his grievance in public. 

 

The club really has to learn how to handle bad results without generating negative press, as has mostly been the case.  

You don't create siege mentality by throwing your own people under the bus. This whole incident is very unfortunate. Jose implying that Hazard was feigning injury makes it no better. Even if the doctors were wrong, there was no need to express his grievance in public. 

 

The club really has to learn how to handle bad results without generating negative press, as has mostly been the case.  

 

 

Unfortunalty like it or not these are the fine lines of perpetual winners and those that are not. The likes of Jose, Fergi, Wenger, lipi, cappelo, hate losing more then love winning (to steal a quote) 

I said after the Cladio era that I wanted an absalout c**t to replace him. I was fed up of everyone looking at us thinking oh but what a nice manager they have. Fact his he just didn't want it enough. It wasn't in his DNA. Nothing has changed in my thinking. Jose actually, I gather is a pretty nice guy in general. But on the field your going to loath him if your up against him. 

 

I maintain if the medical staff had been 2 guys running on to the pitch less then 20 posts would have been written and very few backpage headlines 

Suggests she was over enthusiastic by running on to the pitch while Hazard was having a breather. This is where the 'naive' criticism seems to come from. That she failed to understand that this was sporting gamesmanship not a medical emergency.

That occurred to me. It's more of a reflection on the game/players (off all clubs) than on medical staff. It might be hard to tell in the heat of the moment whether a player is hurt or trying to slow a game down - for example - by feigning.

I maintain if the medical staff had been 2 guys running on to the pitch less then 20 posts would have been written and very few backpage headlines

Ain't that the truth.

mmmm.....wasn't exactly a 'shaming' was it - so bit of an over-reaction from you there it seems to me. Jose was, I feel, in answering the questions put to him merely questioning the all-out response from the sideline medicos. If you look at the incident involving Hazard objectively I doubt that one could make the case on the visual alone that Hazard was in any way injured. Moreover, there was very little time left in the game & if Hazard has to depart the field then we're down to eight field players to defend etc. It's all very well to state that someone is just 'doing their job' but any part of the management team when performing their respective roles must be able to bring some discretion to their individual tasks. Ultimately, in sports that involves a balancing act in respect to the task in hand in any given context. It also involves the player: I feel that Hazard should of immediately waved the medicos away sooner & got to his feet sooner. It's a team game - everyone involved must pull together - and there is no room for offended sensitivities in professional sports & ultimately one must defer to the Manager. Eva's facebook offering was naively reactive - not so much in the message - but in its timing.

 

As for your reaction - had it been you - well....you strike me as someone who is very young and/or very conceited. That of course is a matter for you but with such an attitude I doubt that your career will blossom. If one can't take criticism in a job & rise above it one doesn't get very far.

 

How is it not shaming? He publicly said that they made a mistake and that they are naive. That's shaming. If he has a problem with someone, he should handle it privately behind closed doors, not in the press. It shows that he only thinks about himself and how he sees things and that he has no respect for any other members of his team.

 

My career is fine by the way, but thanks for caring.

Is it actually official she's banned from the bench? Like has Jose or Chelsea actually said that? Or is it just a bunch of rumours going around that she has?

We'll probably see her on the bench on Sunday and all these idiots in the press will have been suckered in by Jose and spent all week talking about our physio instead of the poor performance and draw again Swansea.

Jose strikers again.

Up the Chels!

How is it not shaming? He publicly said that they made a mistake and that they are naive. That's shaming. If he has a problem with someone, he should handle it privately behind closed doors, not in the press. It shows that he only thinks about himself and how he sees things and that he has no respect for any other members of his team.

 

My career is fine by the way, but thanks for caring.

 

If I said to you that you're mistaken in some/many of your views & naive concerning others do you feel that I have shamed you? Do you also think that if I did that, that that would prove that I was a narcissist and/or that others may infer that I have no respect for you?

 

As to you're career why do you infer that I have an interest in same or that I care about you?

Edited August 12, 201510 yr by youlots

 

 

I maintain if the medical staff had been 2 guys running on to the pitch less then 20 posts would have been written and very few backpage headlines 

Damn right. the news article on sky sports website has 3 comments below it. 2 saying how gorgeous eva is, and another saying mourinho is a disgrace and a sexist. 

I posted a comment to even things up a bit pointing out that Jon Fearn has also been demoted... it hasn't made it past moderation yet. saying "she is gorgeous gotta say" did make it past moderation... says it all.

If I said to you that you're mistaken in some/many of your views & naive concerning others do you feel that I have shamed you? Do you also think that if I did that, that that would prove that I was a narcissist and/or that others may infer that I have no respect for you?

 

As to you're career why do you infer that I have an interest in same or that I care about you?

 

That depends on how and when you say it. If you tell me that in private, i have no problem with it because we can talk about it and open a discussion. Maybe i can explain my actions and give you a different perspective, maybe i can see where you are coming from and we can decide to make rules for the future.

 

But if you say it in front of the press, and without first speaking about it with me personally, i would consider it an attack on myself and would find it very disrespectful from you. It's basically gossip and i don't like people that talk behind other people's backs. Show people the same respect as you expect to receive from them.

 

About my career: no idea. You were the one who started talking about me personally and my career without even knowing me, so i just responded.

That depends on how and when you say it. If you tell me that in private, i have no problem with it because we can talk about it and open a discussion. Maybe i can explain my actions and give you a different perspective, maybe i can see where you are coming from and we can decide to make rules for the future.

 

But if you say it in front of the press, and without first speaking about it with me personally, i would consider it an attack on myself and would find it very disrespectful from you. It's basically gossip and i don't like people that talk behind other people's backs. Show people the same respect as you expect to receive from them.

 

About my career: no idea. You were the one who started talking about me personally and my career without even knowing me, so i just responded.

 

So...in order for me not to incur your disrespect I have to run it by you first? yes?

 

About your career....I think your mistaken are you not? I seem to recall that you initially brought up what your reaction would be if it were you did you not? Something about the boss kissing your arse wasn't it to which I advised that such an attitude may not be such a wise choice future wise. So, to recap: it was you that made it personal initially wasn't it?

So...in order for me not to incur your disrespect I have to run it by you first? yes?

 

Of course, that's how it works. If i have an issue with you, whether that issue is personal or work related, who do i go to? You or people around you (colleagues, press, ...)?

Edited August 12, 201510 yr by BuBbA

so....if I say that some of the posters on here are naive and especially those who take a bit of a spat at the club so personally that it suggests that same are narcissistic - would you feel that, given your previous criticism, that those posters were guilty of similar narcissistic tendencies that you equate Jose as having?

So, if both our club doctor and physio won't be on the bench, who from our present backroom staff will look after our players during a match? Will they be experienced enough to distinguish between injury and resting? Will they be influenced by this episode and ask Mourinho's permission to go on the pitch to look after a player?

So, if both our club doctor and physio won't be on the bench, who from our present backroom staff will look after our players during a match? Will they be experienced enough to distinguish between injury and resting? Will they be influenced by this episode and ask Mourinho's permission to go on the pitch to look after a player?

 

 

I'm choosing to believe that this has been delibratly leaked to the press and come city, Eva will be on the bench, achieving to things: 

 

1) Showing the press for the numptys they are

 

2) Completely taking all focus away from the fact that we played like complete turd in the second half last week and Swansea deserved more then a point 

good questions Val - getting to the nub of it now: though I feel sure that there will have been some discussions going on that we're not privy too that will sort most of that out. 

Edited August 12, 201510 yr by youlots

@Matt_Law_DT: In almost every interview during the summer, Mourinho made reference to the fact the Chelsea medical dept needed to improve

 

 

So not just a knee jerk reaction then, something Mourinho has been banging about all summer.