It's a joke all these opposition fans seem to feel the need to voice their opinions on it.

No I was talking more about how fans chant and whistle at our games. You know the typical meat head fans who view women as nothing more than eye candy. I think we've probably removed her due to this too. She is a popular face amongst football fans and once she is behind the scenes she will protected from those meat head fans and save our image in the media when things like this happen. Guadiola had a similar outburst at his medical team, but the medic was a older gentleman and I assume was less popular amongst bayern and oppo fans being a guy medic.

We as a club are a joke. There's always some kinda sh*t going on. I think Mourhino is way out of order on this one,but I also think there has to be more to it than any of us know. Should have been sorted out behind closed doors.

****ing lol, even the australian cricket team medics are coming out in support ffs 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/eva-carneiro-latest-chelsea-doctor-who-has-been-demoted-by-jose-mourinho-was-summoned-to-the-pitch-by-referee-michael-oliver-10451094.html

 

The Chelsea doctor Eva Carneiro, who has been stripped of her first team duties by Jose Mourinho, was twice beckoned onto the pitch on Saturday by referee Michael Oliver to treat Eden Hazard ahead of the incident which infuriated the Chelsea manager.

 

Carneiro was told on Tuesday that she would no longer be Chelsea’s on-field doctor on matchdays after the incident in which she and head physiotherapist Jon Fearn ran on to treat Hazard in the final minutes of the 2-2 draw with Swansea on Saturday – against Mourinho’s wishes.

 

Yet footage shows that in the moments before the Chelsea medical team entered the field of play the referee Oliver twice turned to the bench after Hazard went down, following a challenge from Gylfi Sigurdsson, and signalled for the pair to come on. If Carneiro was to take her case further then Oliver’s intervention in the sequence of events would be a powerful piece of evidence on her behalf.

Under the General Medical Council good medical practice guidelines, Carneiro would have been obliged to enter the pitch when referee Oliver called her on – regardless of whether Mourinho wanted her to treat the player or not. Ignoring that request would put her in breach of one of the GMC’s first tenets under the “safety and quality” responsibilities.

 

Doctors are advised that they are obliged by the GMC to “take prompt action if you think that patient safety, dignity or comfort is being compromised”. As medical care providers, Carneiro and Fearn are required to put the principles of the GMC above the wishes of their employer.

But that's the key bit, if the doctor feels that way, not the ref. If the med team feels their is an emergency, they don't wait for the ref to signal them twice. The fact that they disregarded the first signal from the ref shows they either didn't think it was an emergency or they aren't suited for the role anyways.

If they are going by the ref's guess work and not their own judgement, and that ends up costing the team, then isn't Mourinho correct to call it naive?

My point is that there is no consistency from his ranting, and a ridiculously unfair burden being placed on the medical staff.  When Cech had his horrible injury - Jose was quite rightly disgusted at the lack of responsiveness from emergency services which could have easily cost him his career, if not more.  In this case now, with an apparent omnipresent knowledge of his players going down, he feels happy to berate two of his colleagues and create this mess.

 

Compensation doesn't come into the matter.  A doctor is not playing the game, and outside of the health and welfare of the game is not a part of the game.  It isn't a matter of money, it is a matter of what their job is.  A medical team should always take the welfare of the person they are treating (or going to treat) first.  I don't expect a doctor in hospital to use cheapo equipment to save their hospital a few pounds, and I don't expect Chelsea's team of medical professionals to ever be expected to make a split second decision on whether a player is really injured from 50 yards away in case it doesn't benefit our chances of winning.

 

Jose's meltdown during the game at them were a big misjudgment, and his comments afterwards throwing the medical team under the bus were borderline pathetic.

I would argue that it certainly doesn't take medical pro to know Hazard was not seriously harmed. Infact, that the ref had to signal twice for the medical team shows the medical team didn't view it as serious injury or they'd of not needed the second (or perhaps even first) signal. How many times do we see player down on the grass like Hazard was with no need for the medical team? Far more often than when the medical team is actually needed. Deetermining the difference is part of the medical team's job and they, like anyone else, will obviously be held somewhat accountable when they make mistakes on the job.

Well the problem is you can not compare a hospital MD with a sports team md, different directives.... and yes, hospitals will spend less if they can. The fact that the actions of the med team led to CFC playing down another man for a period of time also shows that, like it or not, these medical staff do have an impact on the game just beyond health and wellness.

I 100% agree that this was not handled well by Mourinho unless there is more we do not know about. Perhaps Mourinho has already spoken to them privately numerous times regarding situations like this.

But that's the key bit, if the doctor feels that way, not the ref. If the med team feels their is an emergency, they don't wait for the ref to signal them twice. The fact that they disregarded the first signal from the ref shows they either didn't think it was an emergency or they aren't suited for the role anyways.

If they are going by the ref's guess work and not their own judgement, and that ends up costing the team, then isn't Mourinho correct to call it naive?

 

What was the ref doing calling the physios on to the pitch? Couldn't he tell that Hazard was just winded? Or was he actually trying to get Hazard off the pitch? 

 

What people don't mention much is this rule that penalizes a team for having to treat an injured player. 

 

Too often the refs call on the physios not to treat a player but to punish them for what they think is time wasting by reducing the team to ten men (in our case to 9).

 

My feeling is that Oliver was not acting over medical concerns but to punish Hazard for having a breather.

****ing lol, even the australian cricket team medics are coming out in support ffs 

 

He used to work at Liverpool, enough said 

 

We must be the biggest club right now, because our team doctor made the headline just about every newspaper out there, outshine the story of Barca winning some cup

9 stores currently on Daily Mail app, including the lead story on the front page! ...

Totally ridiculous...... Even Stevie Me never had that many

What was the ref doing calling the physios on to the pitch? Couldn't he tell that Hazard was just winded? Or was he actually trying to get Hazard off the pitch?

What people don't mention much is this rule that penalizes a team for having to treat an injured player.

Too often the refs call on the physios not to treat a player but to punish them for what they think is time wasting by reducing the team to ten men (in our case to 9).

My feeling is that Oliver was not acting over medical concerns but to punish Hazard for having a breather.

I've had the thought but not posted because at least once a season I feel a ref intentionally messes with the team.

One has to wonder about a rule that rewards the team who just had a player hurt an opponent, by giving them a temporary man advantage. I worry a cynical player may one day think (take em out with a yellow ad challenge and we get their most dangerous player off the pitch and a man advantage for a few minutes). Does this apply to a goalie where a team might risk having them sidelined for a minute or have to burn a sub?

I understand the rule is there to prevent faking injury but perhaps the player who committed the foul/injury should be on the sidelines too until the other team is full strength again.

Edit:@Socrates, its almost like a more conniving form of an ex teammate pulling the "pass me the ball" routine when the opponent is under pressure and not looking up, eh? A little trickery.

Edited August 12, 201510 yr by Barry Bridges

I would argue that it certainly doesn't take medical pro to know Hazard was not seriously harmed. Infact, that the ref had to signal twice for the medical team shows the medical team didn't view it as serious injury or they'd of not needed the second (or perhaps even first) signal. How many times do we see player down on the grass like Hazard was with no need for the medical team? Far more often than when the medical team is actually needed. Deetermining the difference is part of the medical team's job and they, like anyone else, will obviously be held somewhat accountable when they make mistakes on the job.

Well the problem is you can not compare a hospital MD with a sports team md, different directives.... and yes, hospitals will spend less if they can. The fact that the actions of the med team led to CFC playing down another man for a period of time also shows that, like it or not, these medical staff do have an impact on the game just beyond health and wellness.

I 100% agree that this was not handled well by Mourinho unless there is more we do not know about. Perhaps Mourinho has already spoken to them privately numerous times regarding situations like this.

 

Fair enough opinion - I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this one.  I personally don't see trying to analyse a players injury from such a distance as part of the job.  If a player goes down, and stays down, then I would rather my club's medical team make every effort to ensure that the player if okay.  At such a high pace, and from the far distances that the game can take place from the dugout I think that something could easily be missed from the sidelines (or just by a momentary lapse in concentration).  

 

I know you don't like the comparison, but taking the Cech incident as an example there could be a possibility that even when something as serious as that happened with the speed of the collision, and the extra player or two in the line of sight from the dugout that blocks an optimal view could cause what was obviously a horrific injury to look like someone coming off worse in a fairly ordinary challenge.

 

And whilst I don't think that medical staff should be making assessments on players likelihood of "faking it", I have lost count the amount of times that Eden has had lumps kicked out of him and managed to carry on playing.  He certainly isn't a player I associate with going down easily.  I just think it is in both the sport's, and the player's best interests to err on the side of caution if there is any doubt at all - which there obviously was in their professional minds during this incident.

What was the ref doing calling the physios on to the pitch? Couldn't he tell that Hazard was just winded? Or was he actually trying to get Hazard off the pitch? 

 

What people don't mention much is this rule that penalizes a team for having to treat an injured player. 

 

Too often the refs call on the physios not to treat a player but to punish them for what they think is time wasting by reducing the team to ten men (in our case to 9).

 

My feeling is that Oliver was not acting over medical concerns but to punish Hazard for having a breather.

Wow. Never thought of that tactic. Really smart mate! No wonder you are named after a famous footballer who was named after a famous philosopher! Lol.

Jose isn't coming out of this in a good light, and I feel for Eva and (the other guy in all of this...but he doesn't make as nice a headline) John.

 

But this is going WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY over the top.  

 

F**k me, I don't think we got this much coverage when we won the Premiership last season.

The latest Guardian article is probably the fairest report on this. The demotion is not about the incident itself, it's about Eva's Facebook post. The club has a strict policy about discussing club matters on Social Media. To wrap up this saga, I expect Arsenal and Liverpool to put in a 5M bid for Eva before the week ends

The latest Guardian article is probably the fairest report on this. The demotion is not about the incident itself, it's about Eva's Facebook post. The club has a strict policy about discussing club matters on Social Media. To wrap up this saga, I expect Arsenal and Liverpool to put in a 5M bid for Eva before the week ends

 

So what about the other guy then ? he didn't write anything on Facebook, i don't think Facebook has anything to do with it to be honest.

The main reason this is generating so much worldwide press interest is because Eva's a very attractive looking lady ... full stop.

It's bordering on the hysterical now ...

Jose and Eva both going public have backfired on themselves big time!

Regarding the game ...

Jose has put himself under pressure by sticking with the exact same 11 players as last season, effectively ruling out competition for places.

The first eleven become complacent and hence, we are bossed by Swansea.

On current form one could argue Moses deserved his chance but this was never going to happen.

Edited August 13, 201510 yr by cfcblue

But that's the key bit, if the doctor feels that way, not the ref. If the med team feels their is an emergency, they don't wait for the ref to signal them twice. The fact that they disregarded the first signal from the ref shows they either didn't think it was an emergency or they aren't suited for the role anyways.

If they are going by the ref's guess work and not their own judgement, and that ends up costing the team, then isn't Mourinho correct to call it naive?

 

First of all, they cannot possibly determine the severity of the problem when they're so far away from the player. They have to get to Hazard asap, talk to him and examine him up close and personal. 

You don't visit your physician by going on Skype, do you?

 

Second, even if they were sure Hazard was fine (and both the player and the referee at the time indicated otherwise), they simply must attend to the player right away, it's their job as club employees and a duty as medical professionals. In these type of situations Mourinho has no right or authority to stop them. If that ends up costing the team, then so be it, there are more important things in life than the result of a football game, like people's health, for example. No matter how you look at it, the medical staff did their job, like they were supposed to and Jose completely lost the plot.

So what about the other guy then ? he didn't write anything on Facebook, i don't think Facebook has anything to do with it to be honest.

 

Who's the other guy? It's all about Eva, isn't it?  My guess is signalling her out would be deemed as sexism, so Jose sent both of them away from the limelight.. Anyway, I'm just making it up as I go too. 

Well done Jose, you really dropped a bollock on this one....

Our club looks really stupid and petty because Jose couldn't help but blame somebody, anybody, for that game when what he should have said was "Wow, that's football."

Well done Jose, you really dropped a bollock on this one....

Our club looks really stupid and petty because Jose couldn't help but blame somebody, anybody, for that game when what he should have said was "Wow, that's football."

 

 

 

Did you watch the interview Funkey? He didn't blame Eva...

 

He was asked a direct question:

 

Interviewer: You seemed very Irate at the end then, was that with any one in particular? (or words to that affect)

 

Jose: Yes the medichal team runs on and because now hazard has to come of we defend with 8 men if bla bla bla. They need to me a bit less naive and understand the game better.

 

That is all, now lets cover things Jose DID NOT say:

 

 

We played sh*t because of Eva

We played sh*t becaues of the medical team

It's all Eva's fault

Eva did bad

Eva anything

Eva.

 

He didn't mention her name and he didn't balme them. He was asked about an in the moment reaction that was angry and he explained it's because he wanted his med team to be a bit more savy.

 

Do I think he should have said it: No

Do I think it's as big a deal as the whole world is making it out to be (Basically Jose being the second coming of the 3rd reich) No

 

 

Am i shocked that all fans have taken this completely out of proportion and have morphed what Jose said in to something that probably sounds like this: "We lost the game 100% because of Eva, she is a woman and belongs in the kitchen, she has no place on a football pitch, she can't even explain the offside rule to me"  (I know we didn't loose the game but its supposed to follow the redicules theam of things) 

 

Your post whether you like it or not is a classic case of letting the media completely influence your perception of the actuall events. Sadly, this happens to 99% of people on 99% of issues. 

 

Don' read another paper, don't read another headline, go back and watch the interview consider if you still think it's that bad. Again, i'm not defending Jose. I think it was the wrong place to say it, I also don't think it's the crazy mountain that's been made of it

Your post whether you like it or not is a classic case of letting the media completely influence your perception of the actuall events. Sadly, this happens to 99% of people on 99% of issues.

Interesting... Did I say that he was right or wrong? Did I say that he specifically mentioned one individual? Did you even read what I wrote...?

My point was that for somebody who is so media savvy in the main, he misjudged how this would play and like it or not it has made our club look bad. If it was an internal issue as we are constantly being reminded it is then when he was asked about it the correct answer would have been "That is an internal staffing issue and I won't say anything more on the subject."

It has nothing to do with me being influenced by the media about how I feel but my reaction to how this issue has become such a big deal, showing us up as a club.

Liverpool threw Mike Marsh and Colin Passcoe under the bus for Rodgers' failings last year but nobody really said anything because Brendan didn't shoot his mouth off about it...

 Anyway, I'm just making it up as I go too. 

You'd make a good journo then

First of all, they cannot possibly determine the severity of the problem when they're so far away from the player. They have to get to Hazard asap, talk to him and examine him up close and personal.

You don't visit your physician by going on Skype, do you?

Second, even if they were sure Hazard was fine (and both the player and the referee at the time indicated otherwise), they simply must attend to the player right away, it's their job as club employees and a duty as medical professionals. In these type of situations Mourinho has no right or authority to stop them. If that ends up costing the team, then so be it, there are more important things in life than the result of a football game, like people's health, for example. No matter how you look at it, the medical staff did their job, like they were supposed to and Jose completely lost the plot.

That's complete bollocks. There is a massive difference between diagnosing someone with a problem and knowing If they are seriously hurt, and if people could tell he wasn't hurt from hundreds of miles away why couldn't the medical team from a few feet.

The type of challenge made was never going to result in a bad injury so all this ' they have a duty of care ' rubbish is nonsense. Of course they do, ONLY if the players health, safety and welfare is in jeopardy , which it most certainly was NOT

Interesting... Did I say that he was right or wrong? Did I say that he specifically mentioned one individual? Did you even read what I wrote...?

My point was that for somebody who is so media savvy in the main, he misjudged how this would play and like it or not it has made our club look bad. If it was an internal issue as we are constantly being reminded it is then when he was asked about it the correct answer would have been "That is an internal staffing issue and I won't say anything more on the subject."

It has nothing to do with me being influenced by the media about how I feel but my reaction to how this issue has become such a big deal, showing us up as a club.

Liverpool threw Mike Marsh and Colin Passcoe under the bus for Rodgers' failings last year but nobody really said anything because Brendan didn't shoot his mouth off about it...

The wording in your post pretty much indicates that you blame Jose for the whole afair, I think the press hyperbole and Evas Facebook comment have played their part in this. It's a non issue, a non story.

The wording in your post pretty much indicates that you blame Jose for the whole afair, I think the press hyperbole and Evas Facebook comment have played their part in this. It's a non issue, a non story.

Indeed, and you should see the BBC report on the other thread; talk about a Jose/Chelsea witch hunt.

The narrative appears to be that Jose is a sexist, if you listen to the BEEB anyway. Hazard was not lying on the floor out for the count, but I'm not a Dr so I cannot reasonably take issue with what the medics did on the day, however listening to the interview afterwards Mourinho did NOT single out the female for special criticism.

 

Mourinho was asked  the question directly after a disappointing result, it was obvious that he was annoyed with the medics, and he answered the question as to why he was annoyed, honestly.

 

When the interviewer pushed him about the big moment in the game (the sending off of Courtois) Jose was clearly not willing to fall into the trap of criticising the ref (both the Jamie's in the studio deemed it a pen but not a sending off, as Cahill had got behind Courtois so Swansea were not denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, but we could argue about that all day) so he wisely remarked that he hadn't seen the replays of the incident yet.

 

Annoying for the media that we didn't start the season off with a "Jose slams ref, after disappointing result" headline.

 

Then 41 year old professional woman who rarely posts anything on facebook, puts a message up, thanking the public for all their support, surely she must know that this would be picked up on, she's been around the club long enough to know how things work with the media. A girl at my work got the a written warning last November for undermining our boss to other departments, via our work email.

 

Is it any wonder that Mourinho goes through periods of blanking the press, I suspect the next press conference will be all about sexism and the medical team etc...Everyone is entitled to their opinions on this, but I am most certainly not blaming Mourinho, and I am sick to death of our media making a huge deal of this, while barely reporting anything about violence that followed the Arsenal West Ham game on Sunday which had Women and Children cowering in a pub in Islington.

Edited August 13, 201510 yr by SHELLY