We have to put Jose before any other staff or players.

 

We want fergi stability, Give him time, We are still in the champions league and cups FFS

 

Suck it up and get behind the club. Unity and hardwork will get us out of the mire!!

 

To see this many forum and match day attendees dramatically casting the best club manager in the world aside is part of the problem.

Jack can you tell me what makes you think Jose has got control of the transfers? you say he needs to use players he buys but how do you know he bought them?

 

I'm far from convinced he has put the squad together, Cuadrado and Salah you mentioned didn't look like Mourinho signing to me and the lack of playing time both got underlines that, can you imagine his relationship with Roman if he were to ask for Salah and Cuadrado specifically and then say he wants rid so soon after...in my opinion he wouldn't still be here now.

 

Other players he let go (of much higher ability) he found either wouldn't or couldn't play the way he wanted them to, were let go because the money offered was tempting enough and helped with a couple of signings I think he actually did ask for or just plain wouldn't try hard enough to force their way into the team.

 

If he came out tomorrow and said the transfer dealings, in and out have been down to him then I might be a lot more inclined to dig him out but if (and as I believe) they are not, I think we are all in his debt for the fact we have another title and cup to be proud of.

 

 

The sales of De Bruyne, Lukaku, Luiz and in particular Mata make me believe he has control of transfers. He wouldn't have been allowed to sell them if he wasn't in control of who comes in, or do you believe those sales were forced on him? because I don't.

I find it funny that people are saying the Cuadrado, Salah and Djibouj signings aren't his because they weren't/aren't any good yet he gets credit for signing Fabregas, Costa, Zouma and anyone else who looks a bit decent. Add in the bollocks about Mata not working hard enough yet bringing in Fabregas who's even worse. I know which one I'd rather have in our team.

 

As I said before I don't want him sacked but I wish people would stop making excuses for him for things that IMO are down to him.

Well said jack

The sales of De Bruyne, Lukaku, Luiz and in particular Mata make me believe he has control of transfers. He wouldn't have been allowed to sell them if he wasn't in control of who comes in, or do you believe those sales were forced on him? because I don't.

I find it funny that people are saying the Cuadrado, Salah and Djibouj signings aren't his because they weren't/aren't any good yet he gets credit for signing Fabregas, Costa, Zouma and anyone else who looks a bit decent. Add in the bollocks about Mata not working hard enough yet bringing in Fabregas who's even worse. I know which one I'd rather have in our team.

 

As I said before I don't want him sacked but I wish people would stop making excuses for him for things that IMO are down to him.

 

I don't think its as black and white as that, Its a combination of Jose's needs, The clubs/transfer teams profile of player and funds available, also FFP probably forced their hands a fair amount.

 

The club has an entire transfer team headed by emenalo and Jose gives final approval....

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The sales of De Bruyne, Lukaku, Luiz and in particular Mata make me believe he has control of transfers. He wouldn't have been allowed to sell them if he wasn't in control of who comes in, or do you believe those sales were forced on him? because I don't.

 

I don't believe the sales were forced on him no...what I do believe is the players that have been brought in could be, he obviously had a lot to do with the ones you mentioned leaving as they either didn't do the job he wanted them to or he thought the money they would bring in could be used for players he found better suited.

 

I find it funny that people are saying the Cuadrado, Salah and Djibouj signings aren't his because they weren't/aren't any good yet he gets credit for signing Fabregas, Costa, Zouma and anyone else who looks a bit decent. Add in the bollocks about Mata not working hard enough yet bringing in Fabregas who's even worse. I know which one I'd rather have in our team.

 

I'm not picking out the good signings as being Jose signings at all, I do feel he was after Costa for quite a while and got his way, Fabregas I'm not sure either way and I'd imagine Zouma was another Emanalo signing, the "bollocks" about Mata had  been explained by Jose and as he said he prefered Oscar as his number ten and we saw the change in Matas game when he tried to track back and defend more, he done ok but obviously not enough  when £37 million pounds was on the table.

 

As I said before I don't want him sacked but I wish people would stop making excuses for him for things that IMO are down to him.

 

Thats just it though, in your opinion...you may well be right and if so Jose needs to get his scouting bins on but it isn't my opinion and it isn't the opinion of everybody on the forum.

 

For me it's not an excuse and it looks obvious, as I said, if he was to keep identifying targets that were brought in, not playing them and then letting them go he would have been gone long ago.

If we would sack Jose, who would come in?

 

Ancelotti: He is sh*t and clueless when things aren't going their way. He was tactically outclassed by Mourinho's Inter. I will never forget how he was standing at the sideline raising his eyebrow and having no clue what is going on against Inter at the Bridge.

 

Klopp: He is a promising prospect but is considered a one-trick pony by many. He was found out tactically and suffered hugely by a bad last season where he didn't have any answer to the opponents' tactics.

 

Simeone: He would be my favourite. But even he is sufferind from a bad patch from time to time like now. So he isn't the guaranteed success either. Moreover, his playing style wouldn't be the attacking football many fans wish. ( I personally don't care abt the style of play)

 

Guardiola: He is an utter prick but a good coach. Still he managed to kick his own Bayern team out of the Champions league by his stubborn tactical mistakes. Furthermore, he despises Chelsea and I don't think he would come.

 

Stick with Jose ffs. 

All the time you have a sporting director, board, owner and team manager. The manager will never have full control. The only thing he can do is play the players he wants and trusts. This is where you get the debate between supporters of why certain players aren't playing of even in the squad.

David Luiz was and is a defensive liability, good athlete, colorful personality, great player on his day, that's about it. Not good enough to play CB consistently for Chelsea.

Mata was outperformed by a better and younger player at the time, couldn't force his way back into the team and wanted to leave, nothing to do here.

De Bruyne got his chances, not even as a squad player, he started Jose's first season as a first team player. Started well and then had a string of bad performances, started to cry in training that he's losing confidence and wanted to leave. Sounds to me like a big fish, small pond personality.

Lukaku wasn't and probably still isn't good enough to be Chelsea's first choice striker, his demands had no basis. In his case, I would have liked to see him here competing for a place but he doesn't have it in him. He was impatient and immature and now says that he wants to play for Mourinho when that chance was available to him two years ago.

Signings like Salah and Cuadrado are most likely not Jose signings if you analyze the initial reaction to them. Huge difference to players he knows, calls and trusts. Emenalo or whoever is responsible for this failed. Failed, tried to cover his failure by forcing random 2m quality players that even the manager has never heard of and in the process failed again. In general a guy like Emenalo (or any other executive/director) has no right whatsoever choosing/forcing players for a Jose Mourinho team, not in terms of experience and definitely not in terms of knowledge. If that's the case, something is seriously wrong with our board and needs complete rearrangement.

Mate does Jose seem someone you can just drop players on?

Yes Luiz was a liability at the back and we got an excellent price for me.

You say mata was outperformed, can you recall Jose saying Oscar was is n10 and mata wud play frm d right as an inverted winger. He already knows he lost is position to someone he's better than already.

If we are talking performances then the likes of ramires and mikel shouldn't be at the club anymore given most times they offer us mediocre performances.

Looking at this season and comparing it to then, that means matic, hazard should be sold in january cos they aren't performing yet...

The sales of De Bruyne, Lukaku, Luiz and in particular Mata make me believe he has control of transfers. He wouldn't have been allowed to sell them if he wasn't in control of who comes in, or do you believe those sales were forced on him? because I don't.

I don't believe the sales were forced on him no...what I do believe is the players that have been brought in could be, he obviously had a lot to do with the ones you mentioned leaving as they either didn't do the job he wanted them to or he thought the money they would bring in could be used for players he found better suited.

I find it funny that people are saying the Cuadrado, Salah and Djibouj signings aren't his because they weren't/aren't any good yet he gets credit for signing Fabregas, Costa, Zouma and anyone else who looks a bit decent. Add in the bollocks about Mata not working hard enough yet bringing in Fabregas who's even worse. I know which one I'd rather have in our team.

I'm not picking out the good signings as being Jose signings at all, I do feel he was after Costa for quite a while and got his way, Fabregas I'm not sure either way and I'd imagine Zouma was another Emanalo signing, the "bollocks" about Mata had been explained by Jose and as he said he prefered Oscar as his number ten and we saw the change in Matas game when he tried to track back and defend more, he done ok but obviously not enough when £37 million pounds was on the table.

As I said before I don't want him sacked but I wish people would stop making excuses for him for things that IMO are down to him.

Thats just it though, in your opinion...you may well be right and if so Jose needs to get his scouting bins on but it isn't my opinion and it isn't the opinion of everybody on the forum.

For me it's not an excuse and it looks obvious, as I said, if he was to keep identifying targets that were brought in, not playing them and then letting them go he would have been gone long ago.

Absolutely spot on sir!

Really sad to see Chelsea fans wanting Jose gone after one bad patch. People seem to forget that even average managers like Wenger and Pellegreni have poor spells but they soon bring it back to a good level.

It is undoubtedly a real test of Jose skills but he's a man. He's our Ferguson. Just get behind the team and be patient, Jose will pull it back around.

I think the majority are actually just expecting him to go not that they want him to go. That's where I am anyway I think he will be sacked but I hope he isn't.

We would be laughed at by the whole footballing world if we got rid of Jose after his first and ONLY bad spell. Even City kept faith with Pellers despite a terrible season.

Jose is right- if we sack him,we sack the best manager the club has ever had.

Really sad to see Chelsea fans wanting Jose gone after one bad patch. People seem to forget that even average managers like Wenger and Pellegrini have poor spells but they soon bring it back to a good level.

It is undoubtedly a real test of Jose skills but he's a man. He's our Ferguson. Just get behind the team and be patient, Jose will pull it back around.

You say City stuck to Pellegrini. Well I don't recall Pelle insulting his medics/costing them their jobs, making the whole world seeing City with a negative view, he dropped kompany when he was off patch (ivan/cesc anyone?) didn't scapegoat players or embarrass them sub-subbing them either. No one is screaming 'Jose out' yet but if he doesn't improve his attitude with the players/staff and stop playing favoritism then I guess his sack is inevitable

We would be laughed at by the whole footballing world if we got rid of Jose after his first and ONLY bad spell. Even City kept faith with Pellers despite a terrible season.

Jose is right- if we sack him,we sack the best manager the club has ever had.

Been sh*t since xmas.

Mate does Jose seem someone you can just drop players on?

Yes Luiz was a liability at the back and we got an excellent price for me.

You say mata was outperformed, can you recall Jose saying Oscar was is n10 and mata wud play frm d right as an inverted winger. He already knows he lost is position to someone he's better than already.

If we are talking performances then the likes of ramires and mikel shouldn't be at the club anymore given most times they offer us mediocre performances.

Looking at this season and comparing it to then, that means matic, hazard should be sold in january cos they aren't performing yet...

 

I think Mata suffered from not being part of Jose's first pre season, when he returned from his break, Jose already had the structure in place with Oscar in that position. He was also unlucky that Oscar had probably his best form in a Chelsea shirt at the time and Mata couldn't win his place back. In general, I think Mata playing on the right with Oscar in the middle makes for an unbalanced side and I didn't want them playing together. After that Mata wanted to leave for first team football and the offer we got was great, no issue with that. I liked Mata and would take him for Fabregas as a number 10 easily, both have their weaknesses but at least Mata was productive enough to be worth his place in the team.

 

As for dropping players on Jose, of course not. But you also can't expect him to play unknown last minute signings that he doesn't even know just because a board member offered it to him as a last, numbers to the squad type option. Mourinho is a control freak just like Fergie, you don't do things his way, he'll make sure you know it. He's not going to go against his principles and play someone he doesn't trust. It's his reputation on the line. Emenalo or whoever should work harder and support the manager's decisions and choices, we signed and sold too many players in a short period of time for it to be a coincidence. You want stability, you want a Mourinho's Chelsea dynasty, give him full control over the professional side of the game like Utd did.

some have short memories that even the great fergy had crap times but they kept the faith and he still won a whole lot more. patience is required (for some it needs to be acquired) as we all know that great managers cannot be great all the time. in fact some should be a lot more grateful for what Jose has achieved for us instead of doubting and giving their bile because he isn't being 'great' at the moment. what would they say if he actually won the EPL or the other honours this season come the end?

some have short memories that even the great fergy had crap times but they kept the faith and he still won a whole lot more. patience is required (for some it needs to be acquired) as we all know that great managers cannot be great all the time. in fact some should be a lot more grateful for what Jose has achieved for us instead of doubting and giving their bile because he isn't being 'great' at the moment. what would they say if he actually won the EPL or the other honours this season come the end?

er, I think they would say "we are dreaming", and of course they would be.

We aint gonna win it, we'll just have to let this one pass, and build for next season.

i dont ever recall united being this crap under fergie

i dont ever recall united being this crap under fergie

Fergie was one game away from being sacked at the start of his tenure. He has had some trophyless seasons and has had to rebuild on numerous occasions.

I think the United board learnt that having sacked previous managers regularly and had got no nearer to that league title that had eluded them for 26 years they stuck with Fergie and the rest is history. Jose has already given us 3 PL titles along with an FA Cup and 3 League Cups in a relatively short time. Surely he deserves more time to get through this bad spell.

i dont ever recall united being this crap under fergie

They were. They had barren spells and ironically they would start slow and finish strong.

regarding fergie,,,24 hrs from sack....then mark robins scores...and the rest as they say is history.....I just don't buy into the jose here for the long haul theory  ....hasn't built a legacy anywhere....look ..he is a megalomaniac....a fantastic manager but like any ultra talented individual cant be told when he his wrong.......messed up big time with not improving a stagnant team.....eva well lets say no more...media interviews totally embarrassing...a man like the late great brian clough ...enjoy and cherish what we had..but I think the games up ..time for change  move on ...

If we would sack Jose, who would come in?

Ancelotti: He is sh*t and clueless when things aren't going their way. He was tactically outclassed by Mourinho's Inter. I will never forget how he was standing at the sideline raising his eyebrow and having no clue what is going on against Inter at the Bridge.

Klopp: He is a promising prospect but is considered a one-trick pony by many. He was found out tactically and suffered hugely by a bad last season where he didn't have any answer to the opponents' tactics.

Simeone: He would be my favourite. But even he is sufferind from a bad patch from time to time like now. So he isn't the guaranteed success either. Moreover, his playing style wouldn't be the attacking football many fans wish. ( I personally don't care abt the style of play)

Guardiola: He is an utter prick but a good coach. Still he managed to kick his own Bayern team out of the Champions league by his stubborn tactical mistakes. Furthermore, he despises Chelsea and I don't think he would come.

Stick with Jose ffs.

Simeone is actually the only person Id consider replacing Jose with if he wants to leave. Very similar to Jose, just doesnt let his ego do the talking

i dont ever recall united being this crap under fergie

Really? you must be quite young then.

i dont ever recall united being this crap under fergie

I dont ever recall Fergie not being supported by the club in the transfer window after a successful season either

Really? you must be quite young then.

Or we're old.