13 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Cahill is really poor on the ball. He gives the ball away a lot and he looks so uncomfortable. Yeah he can pass the ball side to side like all CBs but apart from that his not that good on the ball.

How do some people not see this.....it's glaringly obvious and also obvious this system needs a ball playing CB

32 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Difference of opinion is one thing,

saying Garry is a better ball playing CB than VVD:
My definition of "Ball playing" CB may well be different to yours but IMO neither are ball playing CB's, VVD is an all round defender capable technically with a decent range of passing but this is not where he excels (unlike Luiz or Stones who have built there game around this, VVD hasn't and hasn't needed to). Also my point is not that GC is a better ball playing CB it is that he is as decent on the ball (control, composure, ability to keep possession) as VVD is which from the 15 or so games I have seen of VVD and the 200 or so times I have seen Cahill play I think is fair. Again my view is biased and not overly complete as I haven't nearly watched VVD as much but I really don't think it is that outlandish a statement.
I have also stated that VVD is the better passer of the ball than Cahill, which would therefore imply that I think he would be a better ball playing CB.    

is like me being against torres going so saying he is more clinical than deigo,:
I will always have a soft spot for Torres 

what adds to it is after having made these totally inaccurate claims you self admittedly haven't watched the players you are on one hand promoting and on teh other comparing Garry to:
I think 15 games is a reasonable amount to be able to a caveated judgement on a player and as I have said this won't be a complete picture, but it is certainly enough to know that VVD isn't as good as you seem to think he is. I have also seen around this many games for Christensen if this isn't enough for you fair enough. 

I like GC, I like his dedication and attitude but we have known for a while he isn't good enough, the system flattered him,  having 3 CB's and kante in front worked for him, if he is faced up one on one he is useless, if we decide to switch to a back 4 he is just not good enough, he is certainly a good CB if he wasn't he wouldnt start for chelsea but he isnt good enough for what we want to do at the club.:
Cahill can be upgraded upon yes, the main part of this has been is VVD an upgrade, not can Cahill be upgraded. IMO no VVD isn't an upgrade he wold be very good competition but not an upgrade IMO, yours is obviously diferent.   

The reason there is media hype behind VVD is because he is outstanding, the reason top clubs want him and that his price tag is so high is because he is outstanding,:
Did the same thing apply to Stones? Is Barkley outstanding seeing he is apparently worth £50m according to the press, and also lauded by the press four years or so ago? Is Christensen Outstanding as he was sort after by Barce and Bayern (VVD isn't)? hmm, I find it hard to trust the media, especially when my eyes say differently. 

this nonsense about he has had 2 seasons...he has had 6 seasons of first team football, captains a good PL team and is a full dutch international,
It is very hard to judge someone on time at Celtic, Scott Sinclair looks like a world beater in that league, but yes he played well there and probably for his team before then, I will unlikely have seen much of him at either I imagine you won't have either, if you did fair doos.
Southampton is a similar level to Gladbach and Christensen is a full Danish International, Cahill is vice captain of Chelsea and Vice Captain of Engalnd,
What is the point you are trying to make?

btw did you know who kante was 2 seasons ago? 
No obviously not, I don't usually watch much other than English football, I will occasional look to watch our loanees play or the odd neutral champions league tie or big european game. But I don't see how this is an arguement, did you? personally I don't have enough time or my own scouting network to watch much more than I do.  

 

3 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Terry was asked that specific question in his last interview and yes it would be luiz he said the biggest influences in the changing room once he is gone will be garry, luiz and fab, the fact you think Garry Cahill is better than VVD shows me there is no ground we can make here, we have to agree to disagree but I think you will be in your own with that one. 

Fab is not a starter this season and with us looking to buy another CM, and VVD (apparently) replacing GC, Luiz is literally the only leader on the pitch. 

Sorry, but thats just not good enough. 

Luiz is a ball playing CB, Azpi is good enough as is GC. As for defender, yes, i think GC is better. 

Lets see who starts more games for chelsea next season, GC or VVD.

Why are some desperately trying to paint Cahill as some leaden footed, clod hopping hoof merchant. Hes not the best on the ball but he is still good, and though not the fastest he is easily quick enough, pace isn't the best all and end all for a centre back. Its really weird seeing Chelsea fans hammering a player that has been a fantastic signing and is still very definitely good enough to play for us, while simultaneously massively over hyping someone we might buy. I don't get it

Edited May 27, 20179 yr by dkw

58 minutes ago, dkw said:

Why are some desperately trying to paint Cahill as some leaden footed, clod hopping hoof merchant. Hes not the best on the ball but he is still good, and though not the fastest he is easily quick enough, pace isn't the best all and end all for a centre back. Its really weird seeing Chelsea fans hammering a player that has been a fantastic signing and is still very definitely good enough to play for us, while simultaneously massively over hyping someone we might buy. I don't get it

Never slated gary i'm very fond of him a a chelsea man as stated many times but then I was fond of Torres, facts however are facts and I'm not saying he is crap, just the weakest of our back 3 so if we upgrade I believe he will be the one to lose his place not Luiz or dave and it certainly appears we are in for a top CB, I also believe that VVD is significantly better than GC, nothing strange there and you have forgotten last season very quickly, good enough in the circumstances and what we want ideally are 2 different things, do you remember how badly we were trying to get a top CB and couldnt get one even for 50, mil, not easy to come by, if we get a top Cb who misses out? 

Some of your posts need more punctuation. Christ. A nightmare to read.

Play the youth lads....play the youth 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/manchester-city-plot-huge-virgil-van-dijk-deal-0n3jzkf07

We might lose him to City now.

Wouldn't that be typical. Pretty sure Conte would be incredibly pissed if we lost him to them. Perfect Conte-defender for a back three.

 

For £200k/week and £60m, they can have him. That is pure madness!!!! What has this league turned into? My goodness!

1 hour ago, Barrettinator said:

For £200k/week and £60m, they can have him. That is pure madness!!!! What has this league turned into? My goodness!

Gotta say Man City have had great success in recent history of spending barmy amounts on centre backs. Cough Mangala, cough Stones.... 

45 minutes ago, Jackbuchanan said:

Gotta say Man City have had great success in recent history of spending barmy amounts on centre backs. Cough Mangala, cough Stones.... 

Cough Otamendi 

12 minutes ago, Paccbet said:

Cough Otamendi 

Just googled it, had no idea this bloke cost them 45m!! 

How much can one team spend on their defence and it still be a total shambles!! 

On 5/27/2017 at 14:03, DonAntonio said:

This is the point, the reason we struggle against high press teams is this system requires us to be able to play out quick and distribute allowing the wb's to push forward,  this is how tottenham, city and liverpool dominated the ball against us, Azpi is decent not brilliant and Gary is decent not brilliant, in this system you need very good ball playing CB's to be able to keep hold of the ball and move it around pressing opposition, now Gary can pass quite well but his composure on the ball and decision making at speed is not good, hence swansea and arsenal 2 games in a row, when put under pressure, cost us goals, now he has kante in front of him and luiz's main job is to sweep up behind him, he said that himself in a recent interview, with a top DM in front,  a top CB behind you and the best defender in the league as a third CB we still managed to go 11 games without a clean sheet, Chelsea is built round a top defence, last year we saw Gary in a back 4 with JT who understandably has lost his pace, and an off form Matic in front of him, we got turned inside out, even the arsenal game this season, same CB's in a 4 we got opened, the system is hiding his limitations, as much as I like him, the honest truth is he isn't quite good enough for us to compete with the top teams in Europe, and not get dominated on the ball at home by any decent side who can press, in general context yes he had a great season ,PFA team of the year, yes he is a good CB, good leader, no arguing with that, however in the context of a top 5 in Europe defence which is what we have always had in our years of success, he isn't good enough, in terms of being a CB with top ball playing skills which this system needs he isn't good enough, Luiz as good as he has been and I was a huge advocate for him if you go back through the threads and still am, couldn't get in to the PSG team, yet he has been one of the best CB's in our league, Garry wouldn't get a sniff at any top team in Europe, so how do we expect to be competing in the CL with the best, our current team would get smashed by the Real Madrids, Barca and Bayern's we need to upgrade, and to make our back line top we need a top CB and I think teh club has prioritised that position for a reason, we are chelsea our game is built on impermiable defence and counter, we have an italian manager playing italian style football, we need the best defence in the business is gary good yes, he is good but he is Audi good and we need Bentley good. 

This is all one sentence. Full stops man!

City beats Liverpool and Chelsea to £60million signing of Virgil van Dijk 

15 minutes ago, Samdwich said:

This is all one sentence. Full stops man!

...................you could add those in your spare time, it will be fun, like a word game. When you're done pm it to one of the mods for grading and possibly a gold star. 

Edited June 4, 20179 yr by DonAntonio

Have to say that paying £60m and £200k a week for a defender that hasn't played for 4 months when we have AC coming back from BM is an easy pass for me...Ake, Tomori, Slater Clarke and Trevoh Chalobah are the ones we should be looking at...

Edited June 4, 20179 yr by doctorblue

10 hours ago, Barrettinator said:

For £200k/week and £60m, they can have him. That is pure madness!!!! What has this league turned into? My goodness!

This is true. But on the other hand we also have to start to pay these grazy sums to get quality players.

50 minutes ago, JPH said:

This is true. But on the other hand we also have to start to pay these grazy sums to get quality players.

Yeah thats the problem.. to compete with moronic teams like City, PSG and even Utd in recent times we're gonna have to pay way over the players true value because otherwise everyone will go there for the money $$$

200k worth every penny for me. We'd be buying a player who can not only challenge at LCB next year but can also move into the centre when Ake is 24/25....

Why would we need to pay a world record salary to a defender who wouldn't get in our starting line up? 

7 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Why would we need to pay a world record salary to a defender who wouldn't get in our starting line up? 

He would though but i wouldn't pay this much for him even though i would like us to get him. Man City are a joke though, all those scouts they must have and they can't find a defender under £25M.

Just now, jack_super_class said:

He would though but i wouldn't pay this much for him even though i would like us to get him. Man City are a joke though, all those scouts they must have and they can't find a defender under £25M.

How?

Cahill, Dave and Luiz all had better seasons, their numbers were better and as a 3 man back line were fantastic. Why would any of them be dropped for a guy who's been out for months with a serious injury? They simply wouldn't 

1 minute ago, Chelsbear said:

How?

Cahill, Dave and Luiz all had better seasons, their numbers were better and as a 3 man back line were fantastic. Why would any of them be dropped for a guy who's been out for months with a serious injury? They simply wouldn't 

Because i think Van Dijk is better than Cahill thats why. Conte might even be thinking of playing Azpi at RWB (i hope he doesn't) and playing Van Dijk right centre back.

You might think that but Conte I'd imagine would be loyal to a defender who was vital in us Winning the title.

id be very dubious of just dropping a vital clog in our defence to accommodate someone who's not proven at the very top and who's recovering from a bad injury. It just doesn't make sense especially when we have a talent like Christensen coming back and wouldn't cost us anything.

For me is another Stones. Let City overpay for another average defender.