What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.

4 minutes ago, Brutos said:

What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.

Or alternatively the board failed in slimming down a bloated squad creating selection issues for the Manager.

3 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Or alternatively the board failed in slimming down a bloated squad creating selection issues for the Manager.

Don't spoil his fun.

21 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Or alternatively the board failed in slimming down a bloated squad creating selection issues for the Manager.

So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by Brutos

Whilst the rest of us move on and back Turchel and the club, a small minority want to linger around Franks corpse giving it kick after kick. 

3 minutes ago, Brutos said:

So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate

There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.

29 minutes ago, Brutos said:

What is becoming clear it seems Lampard didnt know how to deal with senior players who arent playing.

 

3 minutes ago, Brutos said:

So its the boards fault he cant talk or manage senior players?? the mental gymnastics here LOL LOL

Everything that happen is someone else fault but the actual person whos fault it is...

Reminds me of the current political climate

Lampard made it pretty clear the direction he saw for the team, a lot of emphasis on utilising younger, accademy players. 

Was pretty obvious from early on that Rudiger in particular was out of favour with Lampard and it doesn't take a genius to work out we don't need 3 senior left backs in the squad. 

So over to senior management to slim down the squad size because you don't need 5 centre backs and 3 left backs. It was a failing to move on one of each from those positions. 

I would argue we have too many central midfielders too, especially as Lampard was making a path for Gilmore into the first team squad but we did allow Barkley and RLC to go out on loan so that wasn't as bad. 

Our squad is too big. That's not an objective opinion it's pretty much fact. Doesn't matter who the manager was/is, there is absolutely no way you can keep that size of a squad happy. 

The problem Lampard had is that he goal/vision whatever you want to call it was to entrust and promote younger players. So as soon as there are a couple of poor results senior players objections start to become a little bit louder and agents will start to be in the ear of certain people in and around the club.... It's just the way things are in football, 

To say Lampard "didn't know how to deal with senior players" is a frankly (no pun intended (well maybe a little intendeed)) a made up criticism on your part. 

14 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.

Come on, you can't just believe reports you want to believe. It's all bollocks as far as we know. I mean yeah, it's obvious he wanted to move those players on for sure, but there's more too it than that, finding the right buyers was extremely difficult during the summer, hardly anyone but us was buying, especially the smaller clubs. 

21 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

There are reports coming out that Frank wanted to move on Jorginho, Alonso and Rudiger but Marina disagreed with him.

No smoke without fire. IMO Frank wanted to move these players on and get Rice in, and the board didn’t want Rice.

So because he couldnt get rid of these players he decided to not manage them, ignore them, not talk to them. Not a very good indication of good manager or someone who knows how to deal with difficult situations.

22 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

 

Lampard made it pretty clear the direction he saw for the team, a lot of emphasis on utilising younger, accademy players. 

Was pretty obvious from early on that Rudiger in particular was out of favour with Lampard and it doesn't take a genius to work out we don't need 3 senior left backs in the squad. 

So over to senior management to slim down the squad size because you don't need 5 centre backs and 3 left backs. It was a failing to move on one of each from those positions. 

I would argue we have too many central midfielders too, especially as Lampard was making a path for Gilmore into the first team squad but we did allow Barkley and RLC to go out on loan so that wasn't as bad. 

Our squad is too big. That's not an objective opinion it's pretty much fact. Doesn't matter who the manager was/is, there is absolutely no way you can keep that size of a squad happy. 

The problem Lampard had is that he goal/vision whatever you want to call it was to entrust and promote younger players. So as soon as there are a couple of poor results senior players objections start to become a little bit louder and agents will start to be in the ear of certain people in and around the club.... It's just the way things are in football, 

To say Lampard "didn't know how to deal with senior players" is a frankly (no pun intended (well maybe a little intendeed)) a made up criticism on your part. 

Yes squad was bloated that doesnt mean you cant handle the palyers who are not playing better, he was suppose to be a great man manager thats is one of his supposed strenghts, I couldnt really see that and yes he absolutely didnt know how to manage the senior players, had he known how to I believe he would still be in a job now.

Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.

1 minute ago, Brutos said:

Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.

How did he "Banish" Giroud? Surely him not using Giroud, then integrating him back in to the team and getting him scoring actually proves he did know how to deal with senior players?

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by dkw

10 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Yes squad was bloated that doesnt mean you cant handle the palyers who are not playing better, he was suppose to be a great man manager thats is one of his supposed strenghts, I couldnt really see that and yes he absolutely didnt know how to manage the senior players, had he known how to I believe he would still be in a job now.

 

5 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.

To be honest you just seem to be projecting a falsehood you want to be true. 

If he didn't know how to manage senior players then the example of Giroud last season wouldn't make sense. He turned to Giroud after the restart and and that decision was vindicated with good performances and goal return. 

If Lampard's man management of Giroud was that bad then how did he manage to get him to perform so well when called upon? 

Which players that were not regualr starters with Lampard did he not manage correctly? 

42 minutes ago, dkw said:

How did he "Banish" Giroud? Surely him not using Giroud, then integrating him back in to the team and getting him scoring actually proves he did know how to deal with senior players?

 

34 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

 

To be honest you just seem to be projecting a falsehood you want to be true. 

If he didn't know how to manage senior players then the example of Giroud last season wouldn't make sense. He turned to Giroud after the restart and and that decision was vindicated with good performances and goal return. 

If Lampard's man management of Giroud was that bad then how did he manage to get him to perform so well when called upon? 

Which players that were not regualr starters with Lampard did he not manage correctly? 

Lampard only played Giroud because he had no other choice after the covid break, if I remeber correctly Giroud would of left in January 2020 he was pushing for a move away because he wanted games and was just not getting a sniff had be brought in a replacement. I think he even mentioned in a interview he needs games for the Euros.

So he didnt "manage" Giroud well, it was out of need after covid break rather than anything else.

Managing Giroud well would have meant he didn't want to leave in January 2020

 

 

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by Brutos

4 minutes ago, Brutos said:

 

Lampard only played Giroud because he had no other choice after the covid break, if I remeber correctly Giroud would of left in January 2020 he was pushing for a move away because he wanted games and was just not getting a sniff had be brought in a replacement. I think hh even mentioned in a interview he needs games for the Euros.

So he didnt "manage" Giroud well, it was out of need after covid break rather than anything else.

 

 

Tammy was tired, almost injured and what not, so he finally turned to Giroud. He was openly praising Giroud for his professionalism at the time.

What I don't get is why Zouma suddenly isn't close to play, I get that Rudiger can pass the ball better but Zouma has scored 3 goals so far...

10 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Tammy was tired, almost injured and what not, so he finally turned to Giroud. He was openly praising Giroud for his professionalism at the time.

What I don't get is why Zouma suddenly isn't close to play, I get that Rudiger can pass the ball better but Zouma has scored 3 goals so far...

Hence playing him because he had no one else, if he had another striker i dont think he would played him unless it was an emergency. 

I would say Giroud should have played more games at the start of the 19/20 season.

20 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I would say Giroud should have played more games at the start of the 19/20 season.

Ahead of Tammy Abraham who had scored 13 goals and had 3 assist in his first 21 League appeances of the season? 

I think there`s only one thing becoming "very clear" now.

Edited February 2, 20215 yr by dkw

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

So because he couldnt get rid of these players he decided to not manage them, ignore them, not talk to them. Not a very good indication of good manager or someone who knows how to deal with difficult situations.

 

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

Remebered how he banished Giroud, and he came back and help save his first season having also wanted to get rid of Giroud.

And you know these two things to be fact exactly how?  Are you really an insider, one of the club's higher echelon staff?  Board member, perhaps?  Senior coaching staff?  I don't think so.

I think you are just making up bollocks to suit your very limited agenda, and it'[s getting a bit boring now.  You and the other f**kwits got what you wanted, got the manager sacked and so now you gotta let it go.

You're sounding a bit like all those brexit bigots who "won" their great victory and now keep on fighting the same xenophobic arguments over and over again, refusing to own the debacle that it is.

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

 

And you know these two things to be fact exactly how?  Are you really an insider, one of the club's higher echelon staff?  Board member, perhaps?  Senior coaching staff?  I don't think so.

I think you are just making up bollocks to suit your very limited agenda, and it'[s getting a bit boring now.  You and the other f**kwits got what you wanted, got the manager sacked and so now you gotta let it go.

You're sounding a bit like all those brexit bigots who "won" their great victory and now keep on fighting the same xenophobic arguments over and over again, refusing to own the debacle that it is.

What the hell are you talking about wanted Lampard sacked show me one post where I wanted Lampard sacked.

Thing is too may fans getting triggered and in their feels because it's lampard logical thinking goes out the window just like brexit you know when emotions takes over. 

You guys are so in your bloody feels with lampard f**k me 😂😂😂

He's a limited manager who has limited range it's hard to accept but it is what it is and even with that I wanted him to continue to see if he could turn it around obviously the board didn't think he could and he got sack the genius IQ, brilliant managerial mindno great man management  didn't shine through when it matters so......🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

3 hours ago, Slojo said:

Come on, you can't just believe reports you want to believe. It's all bollocks as far as we know. I mean yeah, it's obvious he wanted to move those players on for sure, but there's more too it than that, finding the right buyers was extremely difficult during the summer, hardly anyone but us was buying, especially the smaller clubs. 

And yet some of you choose to believe those reports that Frank Lampard was mismanaging and not talking to the senior/not-favourite players ?

19 minutes ago, RMH said:

And yet some of you choose to believe those reports that Frank Lampard was mismanaging and not talking to the senior/not-favourite players ?

"some of you" I believe no such thing, that right there is a complete strawman. 

 

4 minutes ago, Slojo said:

"some of you" I believe no such thing, that right there is a complete strawman. 

 

OK, I apologise then, I understood your post as taking Brutos side, who is clearly believing some reports and not others.

Their is a bias and people get into their emotions and feels to the point they start abusing players wanting players shot believing one side of the reports but te other side that doesn't favor them it's a lie. 

Two sides to all stories and the truth is in the middle!!!!

And when it comes to feels with Lampard get over it it's done and if I make you get into your feelings because of Lampard well f**k your feelings. 

I  have been quiet polite while getting called names frequently so f**k your feels from here on out.

 

15 minutes ago, RMH said:

OK, I apologise then, I understood your post as taking Brutos side, who is clearly believing some reports and not others.

I'm not taking his side, I just disagreed with what Dan said. People need to stop taking all this inside info as if its gospel. Conveniently people do it when it suits them. We don't know the inner details unfortunately. 

I think it's evident that Lampard lost the players, but for what reason I don't know, as far as his managerial rating goes I would give him a good one considering his first season here was a success. And I thought he handled youth integration and senior players well enough. 

One thing though, I do not criticise Frank on the basis of what some journalist on Twitter says. As much as I dislike Rudiger as a person and a player, I still didn't go there because there's no evidence.