7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I knew he would miss. Not because he is not a good pen taker, but because he was being undermined by Willian, Jorginho, Tammy and whoever else was nattering in his ear while he waited to take it.

How about supporting your team mate and putting your team first lads? Or is the Kepa example what we follow now?

 

!00%.

 

Some absolutely pathetic comments on this thread.

 

Barkley's the penalty taker when he's on the pitch, Lampard said he had made that clear. Lampard said he had no idea what Jorginho and Willian were doing. We can add Tammy to that list too. It was a massive penalty, possibly the difference between qualifying or not, and our penalty taker needed to be focused and calm. Willian particularly was absolutely disgraceful, in my opinion. Tammy as well, he's only been in the side two minutes, he's already missed a crucial penalty, he's scored a few in the last three games and he got way too big for his boots. Just f**king leave Barkley alone.

 

I don't blame Barkley one bit for the penalty miss. All the kerfuffle around him was totally unnecessary. I hope Lampard has had a few words.

 

Also, Barkley should have replaced Mason, rather than Pedro. As it was we surrendered the midfield.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Milner doesn't start every game for Liverpool yet takes it whenever he's on.

Lampard didn't start most of 12-14 yet when he was on he took the penalities.

I don't agree Barkley should be taking them (Jorginho should be untouchable first choice in that regard with Eden gone) but regular starter and first choice spot kick taker don't have to and sometimes don't go hand in hand.

Difference is with this is that Milner and Lampard were experienced, reliable penalty takers. Barkley up until last night had only taken 4 in competitive football. 

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Frank is obviously protecting the player and rightfully so but I have no doubts what he’ll be saying behind closed doors will be very different.

 

He wouldn't be calling out Jorginho and Willian in public if it weren't true.

29 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

!00%.

 

Some absolutely pathetic comments on this thread.

 

Barkley's the penalty taker when he's on the pitch, Lampard said he had made that clear. Lampard said he had no idea what Jorginho and Willian were doing. We can add Tammy to that list too. It was a massive penalty, possibly the difference between qualifying or not, and our penalty taker needed to be focused and calm. Willian particularly was absolutely disgraceful, in my opinion. Tammy as well, he's only been in the side two minutes, he's already missed a crucial penalty, he's scored a few in the last three games and he got way too big for his boots. Just f**king leave Barkley alone.

 

I don't blame Barkley one bit for the penalty miss. All the kerfuffle around him was totally unnecessary. I hope Lampard has had a few words.

 

Also, Barkley should have replaced Mason, rather than Pedro. As it was we surrendered the midfield.

If barkley is so pathetically mentally weak as to be put of taking a penalty by that then he shouldn't even be on the pitch, the mental midget.

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

If barkley is so pathetically mentally weak as to be put of taking a penalty by that then he shouldn't even be on the pitch, the mental midget.

 

He's the designated penalty taker. He shouldn't be having to deal with all that crap from his teammates. If you're a player, and you're not helping your teammate, then what are you doing? Would that be okay in the last minute of a CL final? Would that be okay if Eden was stepping up, or Lampard? Why's it okay if Barkley's stepping up? I'm curious, why? It was a pressure kick, a massive kick. Why's it okay? Sure, you've criticised Barkley for missing, fine. Now what's your opinion of the others? Any manager worth their salt will have strong words with them afterwards. We're supposed to be a team.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

 

He's the designated penalty taker. He shouldn't be having to deal with all that crap from his teammates. If you're a player, and you're not helping your teammate, then what are you doing? Would that be okay in the last minute of a CL final? Would that be okay if Eden was stepping up, or Lampard? Why's it okay if Barkley's stepping up? I'm curious, why? It was a pressure kick, a massive kick. Why's it okay? Sure, you've criticised Barkley for missing, fine. Now what's your opinion of the others? Any manager worth their salt will have strong words with them afterwards. We're supposed to be a team.

I dont care what they did, the manager needs to address that and will, hopefully. I`m more concerned you think he`s so mentally weak as to be put of by such a nothing little argument. If its true then he defintely should never be our penalty taker, especially if its a pressure pen. 

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

I dont care what they did, the manager needs to address that and will, hopefully. I`m more concerned you think he`s so mentally weak as to be put of by such a nothing little argument. If its true then he defintely should never be our penalty taker, especially if its a pressure pen. 

 

Mate, Utd failed to convert 3 penalties this season, when Rashford and Pogba were having their hissy fits. Previously, Rashford had never missed a pen. It doesn't help, and if it doesn't help, why were our players doing it? Yes I'm far more concerned by those players than I am by Barkley.

48 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

He wouldn't be calling out Jorginho and Willian in public if it weren't true.

That's interesting, I thought Frank was just diffusing the situation by lying about Barkley being the pen taker but if he questioned Jorginho and Willian publicly then there must be truth to that, especially when a not very prominent player like Barkley rushes over to take it with such conviction. 

I have to say that it doesn't make sense for a non starter to be 1st choice pen taker though, Jorginho has much more experience taking them for Chelsea alone than Barkley and is a starter so he should be 1st for me.

To further (over)analyse the pen situation though there must be a reason why 2 or 3 players intervened, my guess is that they were concerned about a player who came off the bench is taking the penalty and if you watch the interactions there wasn't a great deal of arguing, it was mostly Barkley saying he's OK to take it. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

I guess you missed Barkley's free kicks during pre-season and so on...He's obviously good at set pieces and he's not the first player that finds free kicks easier than penalties.

Not quite sure what his free kick taking ability has to do with his ability to take a penalty? Completely different skills. 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Milner doesn't start every game for Liverpool yet takes it whenever he's on.

Lampard didn't start most of 12-14 yet when he was on he took the penalities.

I don't agree Barkley should be taking them (Jorginho should be untouchable first choice in that regard with Eden gone) but regular starter and first choice spot kick taker don't have to and sometimes don't go hand in hand.

Someone else has already addressed this but both are experienced penalty takers and Milner plays more regularly for Liverpool than Barkley for us.

54 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

He wouldn't be calling out Jorginho and Willian in public if it weren't true.

He shouldn’t need to be calling them out if he’s made it clear to the team that when Barkley is on the park. Frank is either protecting the player or himself as it’s his responsibility to make sure everyone knows who the head honcho is for pens. Clearly the players didn’t know the script if Lampard is telling the truth, in which case the blame lies with him.

11 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

He shouldn’t need to be calling them out if he’s made it clear to the team that when Barkley is on the park. Frank is either protecting the player or himself as it’s his responsibility to make sure everyone knows who the head honcho is for pens. Clearly the players didn’t know the script if Lampard is telling the truth, in which case the blame lies with him.

 

Now you're just being a very silly boy, and you know it. If he's made it clear to the team who our penalty taker is, the blame doesn't lie with him but with the players who chose to complicate matters.

 

Edit: I know you're trying to criticise Frank or Ross at all costs, but this is being ridiculous. Neither Frank or Ross behaved badly at all.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by Davey Baby

4 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Now you're just being a very silly boy, and you know it. If he's made it clear to the team who our penalty taker is, the blame doesn't lie with him but with the players who chose to complicate matters.

If he’s made it perfectly clear why would there be three players around him debating it and being confused? How exactly do you know Lampard has made it clear when all the signs point to the exact opposite. Did anyone ever confront hazard when he took the ball for a pen? No, because he as the designated taker. Something isn’t right here and either Barkley isn’t the taker or it’s not been made as clear to the team as you think it has - which if that’s the case - it is definitely Franks fault. If it was clear to everyone and all three players have just decided they’ll get involved then they should be disciplined accordingly but I find it highly unlikely 3 of our players have all decided to go against what the manager had made clear and had been pre-agreed all at the same time, in the same game.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by EdinburghBlue

I guess as Barkley didn't start other players did not see Barkley as the penalty taker yesterday.

Also seems strange having a penalty taker that is not a regular first XI.

I know Jorghino took them last season and was very successful doing so, I hate his method and just think it is so predictable that one day very soon the goalie will just stand in the middle and catch it. Even with his success rate I get very nervous when he steps up.

I question why Barkley should be our no1 penalty taker. If were serious about competing at the top, lets look at who takes the pens for the top 6, with total league goals scored last season.....

Salah 22, Aguero 21, Kane 17, Aubameyang 22, Rashford 10, Barkley 3.

Abraham 7 in 4 this season.

I think a penalty taker should be someone who is a regular scorer, let alone starter.

22 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

If he’s made it perfectly clear why would there be three players around him debating it and being confused? How exactly do you know Lampard has made it clear when all the signs point to the exact opposite. Did anyone ever confront hazard when he took the ball for a pen? No, because he as the designated taker. Something isn’t right here and either Barkley isn’t the taker or it’s not been made as clear to the team as you think it has - which if that’s the case - it is definitely Franks fault. If it was clear to everyone and all three players have just decided they’ll get involved then they should be disciplined accordingly but I find it highly unlikely 3 of our players have all decided to go against what the manager had made clear and had been pre-agreed all at the same time, in the same game.

 

You've spun that around rather beautifully. It's you that seems certain Barkley wasn't the designated penalty taker, and you've just been taken to task.

 

I believe he was, because Frank, Dave and Ross himself said so afterwards, and because he grabbed the ball, which I don't believe he would have done otherwise. As to why the other three players got involved, well you'll have to ask them. You believe what you want.

 

What's clear to me is that the player needs to be calm and focused, and those other three players didn't help the situation, not one little bit.

We lack the big, dominant characters we used to have who would sort out this kind of sh*t.

11 minutes ago, Andy North said:

I know Jorghino took them last season and was very successful doing so, I hate his method and just think it is so predictable that one day very soon the goalie will just stand in the middle and catch it. Even with his success rate I get very nervous when he steps up.

 

Actually he wasn't very successful doing so last season. He missed in the CC final shoot-out, replicating the exact kick he took in the semi, which was converted. He stepped up later in the EL semi-final shoot-out and he converted.

2 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

 

!00%.

 

Some absolutely pathetic comments on this thread.

 

Barkley's the penalty taker when he's on the pitch, Lampard said he had made that clear. Lampard said he had no idea what Jorginho and Willian were doing. We can add Tammy to that list too. It was a massive penalty, possibly the difference between qualifying or not, and our penalty taker needed to be focused and calm. Willian particularly was absolutely disgraceful, in my opinion. Tammy as well, he's only been in the side two minutes, he's already missed a crucial penalty, he's scored a few in the last three games and he got way too big for his boots. Just f**king leave Barkley alone.

 

I don't blame Barkley one bit for the penalty miss. All the kerfuffle around him was totally unnecessary. I hope Lampard has had a few words.

 

Also, Barkley should have replaced Mason, rather than Pedro. As it was we surrendered the midfield.

Are you shocked about Willian?

His attitude is appalling and it has been for years in my opinion. Genuinely looks like he can't be bothered and he's always blaming everyone else around him. Cannot wait for him to leave.

Jorginho looked like he was encouraging Barkley, not sure about Tammy.

9 minutes ago, JMaher94 said:

Are you shocked about Willian?

His attitude is appalling and it has been for years in my opinion. Genuinely looks like he can't be bothered and he's always blaming everyone else around him. Cannot wait for him to leave.

Jorginho looked like he was encouraging Barkley, not sure about Tammy.

 

I don't know if I was shocked by Willian, but I was pretty dismayed.

 

Regarding Jorginho, like Tammy he eventually encouraged Ross but not before getting in his ear about something, and even if it was encouraging, I hope Lampard is telling them all in no uncertain terms that you leave the penalty taker to get on with it, and you let them focus. Everybody knows it's far harder converting a pen when there's all sorts of distractions, that's why opposition fans and players always try to distract you. You don't need your own players doing it.

 

Having said all that, yes, Barkley should have converted, but he missed, and that's forgivable in my opinion. It happens, we get over it. Normally you'd let someone else take the next one, but if he's on the pitch next time we're awarded one, I'd give it to him, to send a message to the rest of the team, and in recognition that there were mitigating factors.

 

Some of you will disagree, that's fine. That's just me, and I feel certain Frank will stand by Ross.

Players do miss penalties from time to time, even the best so give the lad a break. As for the pre-pen on field kerfuffle, its up to the manager to put this right behind the scenes. Happened at Yarnited in the prem, Olly is a bit inexperienced like SFL. But this is how managers learn their trade.  I would hope that for the next pen we will not witness a repeat.

4 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

You have posted some twaddle in the past, but that bit really does top the lot as one of the most stupid things I have seen posted by you or anyone else (and I was here when that bloke from Sydney used to post his words of wisdom and Loz still had hair)

Cheers Yorkley, always wonderful to hear from you 🙂

Penalty misses happen. Last night's miss cost us a valuable point in a match where we hadn't played well. I was surprised to hear that Ross was our designated penalty taker as I assumed it would be Jorginho. Then again Jorginho has missed before too. Tammy might have been the obvious choice but he had that recent misd in the Super Cup.

I can't help think that a lot of the reactions here would have been a little more forgiving had it been a more popular player like Mason Mount. 

Hopefully Ross has a chance to redeem himself with the fans in the near future but I am happy to see the manager and team mates backing him.

All three players didn't help last night, it's something you expect from the opposition,  Willian wouldn't give it up though and decides to stand there as long as possible with the hump doing his socks up etc. 

1 hour ago, Davey Baby said:

 

You've spun that around rather beautifully. It's you that seems certain Barkley wasn't the designated penalty taker, and you've just been taken to task.

 

I believe he was, because Frank, Dave and Ross himself said so afterwards, and because he grabbed the ball, which I don't believe he would have done otherwise. As to why the other three players got involved, well you'll have to ask them. You believe what you want.

 

What's clear to me is that the player needs to be calm and focused, and those other three players didn't help the situation, not one little bit.

Taken to task by your hypotheticals? Have a word Davey. No one on this board knows for the fact what the truth is. We’re all going off what we perceived the incident to be. I never once said I was certain, I’ve even stated that if it was clear to everyone in the squad then Tammy, Jorginho & Willian should be disciplined. You’re not even open to the idea you’re wrong just because people from the club, representing the club are towing the party line. Do you honestly, hand on heart believe that the club never tells players, the manager etc what to say? Or that they decide on how they’ll approach something in the media which is different to how they tackle it behind closed doors? Of course they do.

 

The simple fact is none of us are likely to know the true details of what happened last night. I have no issue with you having a different view on what happened.

 

As for one of the earlier edited comments re; me looking to criticise Lampard and Barkley for anything. That’s laughable, I’ve backed lampard since day one even before he was announced but club legend or not, he is not above criticism (IF, as I say he hasn't been clear with the team).

As for Barkley, I was a fan of his signing and defended him in the beginning but he’s been here about 2.5 years now is it? He’s done absolutely nothing to show he’s anything more than a squad player and when we’re full strength he’s 6th choice for me. It’s a shame but he seems a completely different player for England than when he plays for us.

13 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Taken to task by your hypotheticals? Have a word Davey. No one on this board knows for the fact what the truth is.

 

I can't read any further beyond this sentence. Ross has come out and said there's a board up in the dressing room, with the names of the penalty takers, and his name is at the top, because he's our designated pick. Frank has said he's first choice, so has Dave. You've created a conspiracy theory that is all of your own making. Either you believe Ross is a Billy Big Bollocks who does what he wants and lies afterwards, or you believe the truth. It's up to you. I'm not getting involved.

 

Edit: If Ross has come out and said all that and it's guff, he'll lose all respect amongst his teammates. It's obviously the truth.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by Davey Baby