2 minutes ago, Bigthrobberus said:

Roman, Get putin into uefa, needs a shake up! heh

corruption premier league saudi at the top, How long the ruskis going to let this go on? 

Yup get Putin in UEFA and throw them to the wind

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

The buck has to stop with him somewhere though, he can’t be completely immune to criticism just because he hasn’t made wholesale changes to the squad. 

I think we’re performing better than many of us had thought but there have been performances where we’ve looked devoid of ideas of how to score. 

So does Sarri persist with the same ideas or try switching things up for certain games?

I think it's simply a fact of not having the players to change the game. Only really Hazard can do that. We can't trust our strikers at the moment, which is madness to think we can't trust our strikers to SCORE GOALS. Jorginho isn't a goal scoring midfielder, neither is Kovacic, Barkley is inconsistent, but is a goal threat. Kante is still adapting to the new position, but he's not a goal threat. Willian is infuriatingly inconsistent and lets us down at crucial points in the final third. Pedro can be a goal threat, but not sure he's the game changer we're looking for.

Who else is there? Man City have D.Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling, Sane, Aguero, Mahrez, all capable of scoring goals. We still need at least 3 more players, and that includes a competent striker and a left footed RW who is a goal threat. Sarri simply can't conjure up goals if our players aren't capable of scoring goals for themselves. It's frustrating to rely on Hazard over our strikers to score goals and change the game. 

Oh and forgot to add Man City cheat FFP which makes it even harder.

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

The buck has to stop with him somewhere though, he can’t be completely immune to criticism just because he hasn’t made wholesale changes to the squad. 

I think we’re performing better than many of us had thought but there have been performances where we’ve looked devoid of ideas of how to score. 

So does Sarri persist with the same ideas or try switching things up for certain games?

Sarri seems to me to be someone who will push to perfect his preferred style first, get the players fully I integrated into it, then look to bring in tweaks and alterations needed to win when it's not quite working. 

1 minute ago, enigma said:

Who else is there? Man City have D.Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling, Sane, Aguero, Mahrez, all capable of scoring goals. We still need at least 3 more players, and that includes a competent striker and a left footed RW who is a goal threat. Sarri simply can't conjure up goals if our players aren't capable of scoring goals for themselves. It's frustrating to rely on Hazard over our strikers to score goals and change the game. 

Bernardo Silva as well. Him and David Silva started in midfield today. Along with a fantastic Fernandinho.
Compare the creativity there to us and one could understand why we've struggled lately. Kante is a non-entity offensivly and Kovacic and Jorginho doesn't have great output either.

For me our fullbacks are a major issue as well. We need quick fullbacks that can bomb up and down the side for 90 minutes and we just don't have that. Azpi's been inconsistent defensivly and poor offensivly this season and Alonso's been mostly good offensivly but poor defensivly. Main problem being their speed for me.

 

6 minutes ago, enigma said:

I think it's simply a fact of not having the players to change the game. Only really Hazard can do that. We can't trust our strikers at the moment, which is madness to think we can't trust our strikers to SCORE GOALS. Jorginho isn't a goal scoring midfielder, neither is Kovacic, Barkley is inconsistent, but is a goal threat. Kante is still adapting to the new position, but he's not a goal threat. Willian is infuriatingly inconsistent and lets us down at crucial points in the final third. Pedro can be a goal threat, but not sure he's the game changer we're looking for.

Who else is there? Man City have D.Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling, Sane, Aguero, Mahrez, all capable of scoring goals. We still need at least 3 more players, and that includes a competent striker and a left footed RW who is a goal threat. Sarri simply can't conjure up goals if our players aren't capable of scoring goals for themselves. It's frustrating to rely on Hazard over our strikers to score goals and change the game. 

The board in their wisdom saw all this a good fit........we dont wanna be like psg and city, that sh*t is way out there. But a Little bit ambition and purpose would have done us a great deal.

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Bernardo Silva as well. Him and David Silva started in midfield today. Along with a fantastic Fernandinho.
Compare the creativity there to us and one could understand why we've struggled lately. Kante is a non-entity offensivly and Kovacic and Jorginho doesn't have great output either.

For me our fullbacks are a major issue as well. We need quick fullbacks that can bomb up and down the side for 90 minutes and we just don't have that. Azpi's been inconsistent defensivly and poor offensivly this season and Alonso's been mostly good offensivly but poor defensivly. Main problem being their speed for me.

 

It's gonna take patience and shrewd signings from the board. Sarri isn't a wizard. This isn't Serie A or Napoli with low expectations. The Premier League is much tougher than it's ever been, and Sarri is going to need the backing from the board. 

6 minutes ago, enigma said:

It's gonna take patience and shrewd signings from the board. Sarri isn't a wizard. This isn't Serie A or Napoli with low expectations. The Premier League is much tougher than it's ever been, and Sarri is going to need the backing from the board. 

Spot on......but do you feel confident we will back him properly? Or make shrewd signings? I cant see it but will be happy to be wrong.

13 minutes ago, atomis said:

Spot on......but do you feel confident we will back him properly? Or make shrewd signings? I cant see it but will be happy to be wrong.

Kante

Jorginho

Alonso

azza

to name a few

you can only be so sure about a player until hes in blue on the pitch

all the scouting and super computers in the world couldn't prevent crappy signings.

 

buy an old escort cozzy as a runner/fun car lasts 25 years and then burns to the ground in your garage

buy a mcclaren p1, lasts 2 weeks before the engine falls out

its never easy and theres no solid math involved

luck!

 

Think Sarri has been a revelation. I was a doubter when he was first being linked and was vert sceptical about how he would do but I have been massively impressed so far.

If I have one criticism, it would have to be his substitutions. Every game they are far too predictable and it's pretty much always like for like. Some of it will be down to our lack of quality options but I would still like to see him mix it up more, 'cos if us fans know what changes are going to be made in the second half you can be sure that the opposition coach does and today against Everton was the prime example where they looked very comfortable as we played into their hands with those changes. 

11 minutes ago, Bigthrobberus said:

Kante

Jorginho

Alonso

azza

to name a few

you can only be so sure about a player until hes in blue on the pitch

all the scouting and super computers in the world couldn't prevent crappy signings.

 

buy an old escort cozzy as a runner/fun car lasts 25 years and then burns to the ground in your garage

buy a mcclaren p1, lasts 2 weeks before the engine falls out

its never easy and theres no solid math involved

luck!

Im talking about past few seasons........actively going for cheaper´and average players while wasting huge amount of Cash. No mate its not all about luck......a quality player is a quality player. Kant was a miracle and wont happen anytime soon again, Jorgo I give. Buy 1 quality that will improve the team than buy 3 average ones for the same Price. You cant escape it, we have wasted too much Money. We are not city, they seem to get quality everytime without failure. We can too....but dont for whatever reason. We have enough Cash to do good but recruiting is not optimal. Our last great transfer window was in 14-15.

20 minutes ago, atomis said:

Im talking about past few seasons........actively going for cheaper´and average players while wasting huge amount of Cash. No mate its not all about luck......a quality player is a quality player. Kant was a miracle and wont happen anytime soon again, Jorgo I give. Buy 1 quality that will improve the team than buy 3 average ones for the same Price. You cant escape it, we have wasted too much Money. We are not city, they seem to get quality everytime without failure. We can too....but dont for whatever reason. We have enough Cash to do good but recruiting is not optimal. Our last great transfer window was in 14-15.

You're right.

highlighted bit - agent fees.

chels/Roman hates these parasites

saudi fc will pay anything

one day the saudi oil will dry up so its a state exercise to invest/corrupt away from oil and their own economy etc but chels is the comrads toy!

First manager to go his first 12 games unbeaten and still counting. If I were wearing a hat I’d have taken it off. 

26 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

First manager to go his first 12 games unbeaten and still counting. If I were wearing a hat I’d have taken it off. 

There you go

One of the things that these last few matches have brought up is just how impatient and ADHD a lot of us are. 

I remember back when Sarri was first mentioned as a possibility and someone posted a video of Napoli playing out from the right-back position under a strong press and we all went "WOW".  We actually invite that specific situation several times a match now, and we deal with it very well.

Then the season started and we played that way, we hover around 1st and 3rd in the league, are unbeaten in the league, have the second best stats for most things and , for the first few games, the vast majority of this forum was very, very happy ( a few idiots excepted, obviously).

However, we then have a couple of draws, we don't blow teams away with our second string and people start to turn.  I have seen posts of people being "bored" with all this possession and dominance, I have seen people seriously say we should sell Kante, people whining on about Barkley not getting a chance and then whining again when he gets a chance and  doesn't do great.  We are playing exactly the same as at the start of the season but this is now not shiny-shiny enough and we all want more and we want it now and we want to be like City and Liverpool and we want wand we want and we want.

Go back an look at the match threads for the early matches and contrast and compare with lately.

I expect it's common amongst all football fans, but f**k me we come across as both spoilt and fickle.

14 hours ago, atomis said:

We are not city, they seem to get quality everytime without failure.

Seriously? You might want to look again at their buys in the couple of seasons before last. They paid big money for a seemingly endless list of players and just kept buying until they had people that worked.

13 hours ago, Munkworth said:

First manager to go his first 12 games unbeaten and still counting. If I were wearing a hat I’d have taken it off. 

Why is this not bigger news? I didn't even know that. 

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

One of the things that these last few matches have brought up is just how impatient and ADHD a lot of us are. 

I remember back when Sarri was first mentioned as a possibility and someone posted a video of Napoli playing out from the right-back position under a strong press and we all went "WOW".  We actually invite that specific situation several times a match now, and we deal with it very well.

Then the season started and we played that way, we hover around 1st and 3rd in the league, are unbeaten in the league, have the second best stats for most things and , for the first few games, the vast majority of this forum was very, very happy ( a few idiots excepted, obviously).

However, we then have a couple of draws, we don't blow teams away with our second string and people start to turn.  I have seen posts of people being "bored" with all this possession and dominance, I have seen people seriously say we should sell Kante, people whining on about Barkley not getting a chance and then whining again when he gets a chance and  doesn't do great.  We are playing exactly the same as at the start of the season but this is now not shiny-shiny enough and we all want more and we want it now and we want to be like City and Liverpool and we want wand we want and we want.

Go back an look at the match threads for the early matches and contrast and compare with lately.

I expect it's common amongst all football fans, but f**k me we come across as both spoilt and fickle.

Before he came, the whole fanbase (pretty much) just hoped to make top four again, and the media had written us off entirely. Now we're sitting just behind Liverpool in 3rd and having given the bestest team in all the land (Liverpool) a tough game in the league and almost beating them, and beat them in the cup - only after that people were giving us credit and considering us for title challengers. I don't think we're perfect, but I also don't think Liverpool are perfect either, far from it. I think Liverpool have looked poor the last few weeks, both in the PL and in Europe.

This season Klopp and Liverpool look normal and beatable again, which we proved already. Spurs have been getting fortunate with results and scraping through games too. Man Utd aren't in the discussion for the title at all right now. This Chelsea team have only been working together for 4 months. Sarri himself said we were a year off getting up to Liverpool and closing the gap, but I think that was him being modest. The board need to help him build a team around his style though. I can imagine a handful of players will leave in January, with maybe two or three joining.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Why is this not bigger news? I didn't even know that. 

Imagine if Pep or Klopp had done that, it would've been over the headlines all week. 

16 hours ago, Bigthrobberus said:

You're right.

highlighted bit - agent fees.

chels/Roman hates these parasites

saudi fc will pay anything

one day the saudi oil will dry up so its a state exercise to invest/corrupt away from oil and their own economy etc but chels is the comrads toy!

They are not Saudi's mate.....but might as well be.

2 hours ago, Kentonio said:

Seriously? You might want to look again at their buys in the couple of seasons before last. They paid big money for a seemingly endless list of players and just kept buying until they had people that worked.

At first yes......but then they got it right, with the help of immense Cash of course. They get the right personal in, they pay for them, but they get them in. Ederson has been a hit for them. B.Silva, Mendy, Stones, Walker, Laporte, Gunda and so on.......all bought recently and all a hitter. They know what they want and go for the kill. Just utter cheating......still though.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Why is this not bigger news? I didn't even know that. 

Cuz we are not a darling.....the hate is strong in the media.

I do like Sarri and most of what he's trying to do, but I am concerned by his apparent lack of flexability .  He seems to only want to play one way and with one player at the centre of it all - Jorginho. That would be OK if that player was a genuinely great player but he is far from being that! This is not the slower, leas competitive Setie A where he could get away with his glarring weaknesses - Not good defensively - Moves like a snail carrying heavy shopping - Gives us next to nothing in the opponents half. Ruining one of our two genuine world class players  for a player nowhere near world class defies logic to me! I accept that for now we are stuck with this dreadful combination of Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, but if Sarri sticks with them no matter what, them we'll have a snowball in hells chance of ever competing for the title with this City team. Those three together are nowhere near good enough and no amount of time will change that! 

8 minutes ago, Dixon said:

I do like Sarri and most of what he's trying to do, but I am concerned by his apparent lack of flexability .  He seems to only want to play one way and with one player at the centre of it all - Jorginho. That would be OK if that player was a genuinely great player but he is far from being that! This is not the slower, leas competitive Setie A where he could get away with his glarring weaknesses - Not good defensively - Moves like a snail carrying heavy shopping - Gives us next to nothing in the opponents half. Ruining one of our two genuine world class players  for a player nowhere near world class defies logic to me! I accept that for now we are stuck with this dreadful combination of Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, but if Sarri sticks with them no matter what, them we'll have a snowball in hells chance of ever competing for the title with this City team. Those three together are nowhere near good enough and no amount of time will change that! 

I would be interested to see how we fared with Jorginho, Kovacic and Barkley to see if that gives us both the creativity and enough defensive cover. 

21 minutes ago, Dixon said:

Some bollocks - mostly more praise for City.

I'm getting suspicious about this idiot.

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

One of the things that these last few matches have brought up is just how impatient and ADHD a lot of us are. 

I remember back when Sarri was first mentioned as a possibility and someone posted a video of Napoli playing out from the right-back position under a strong press and we all went "WOW".  We actually invite that specific situation several times a match now, and we deal with it very well.

Then the season started and we played that way, we hover around 1st and 3rd in the league, are unbeaten in the league, have the second best stats for most things and , for the first few games, the vast majority of this forum was very, very happy ( a few idiots excepted, obviously).

However, we then have a couple of draws, we don't blow teams away with our second string and people start to turn.  I have seen posts of people being "bored" with all this possession and dominance, I have seen people seriously say we should sell Kante, people whining on about Barkley not getting a chance and then whining again when he gets a chance and  doesn't do great.  We are playing exactly the same as at the start of the season but this is now not shiny-shiny enough and we all want more and we want it now and we want to be like City and Liverpool and we want wand we want and we want.

Go back an look at the match threads for the early matches and contrast and compare with lately.

I expect it's common amongst all football fans, but f**k me we come across as both spoilt and fickle.

You always get the post 04/05 w**kers who only turned up because we started winning things and splashing the cash. (Obviously not directed at everyone who started supporting after Roman turned up!). They’re only here for the glory. 

I’m personally looking forward to Sarri getting to work with his players, them getting better at what he wants them to do and hopefully over the next couple of transfer windows strengthen the team. It’s not going to be a quick fix this time, hopefully the club are patient and we build for the future here. Sarri is a bit of a victim of his early success I feel.

I couldn’t give a toss if we don’t win anything for a season or two, as long as we keep playing good football and moving forward.  

8 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

You always get the post 04/05 w**kers who only turned up because we started winning things and splashing the cash. (Obviously not directed at everyone who started supporting after Roman turned up!). They’re only here for the glory. 

I’m personally looking forward to Sarri getting to work with his players, them getting better at what he wants them to do and hopefully over the next couple of transfer windows strengthen the team. It’s not going to be a quick fix this time, hopefully the club are patient and we build for the future here. Sarri is a bit of a victim of his early success I feel.

I couldn’t give a toss if we don’t win anything for a season or two, as long as we keep playing good football and moving forward.  

You're right.  It does tickle I though how the exciting fun of "sarriball" possession football has so quickly become boring to a lot of our fans.  I expect a lot of them just drop their Christmas unicorn toy behind the settee the day after Boxing Day as well, and are already pining for their iphone 11 or whatever the next shiny thing is.