56 minutes ago, opinionsarelike said:

The people who want us to drastically adapt after yesterday’s game; what were your thoughts after Mourinho pragmatically changed us from a free flowing attack to a scraping team after our pasting by Spuds in the 14-15 season?

it won us the title. 

i wouldn't hand that back for some prettier football. you would? any chelsea fan would? 

in terms of sarri, i think people just want him to make some minor tactical tweaks when things aren't going well. not completely change his whole philosophy. there are loads of little things he could do. i'd quite like to see him experiment with a double pivot, kante and jorginho, and see if that gives us a better balance defensively in the middle. 

omg ive been reading this forum for years, Some of the recent members the last 2 years are absolute plastics.

saying we should be anywhere near sacking sarri is utterly sickening.

dixon and atomis have the worst opinions ive read for years.

embarrassing 

3 minutes ago, KeepCalmCarryOn said:

omg ive been reading this forum for years, Some of the recent members the last 2 years are absolute plastics.

saying we should be anywhere near sacking sarri is utterly sickening.

dixon and atomis have the worst opinions ive read for years.

embarrassing 

It's not the fans that decide, if Sarri fails to finish top 4 he can get sacked easy and I don't see that as a bad view of things it's just reality.

40 minutes ago, Ready Player One said:

i wouldn't hand that back for some prettier football. you would? any chelsea fan would? 

That would be completely fair. Everyone watches football differently, and have their right to do so. I didn’t say anything about my opinion on the matter, so that straw man won’t work with me.

I just feel that there are a lot of people who swings both ways on this. They want pragmatic football when it’s needed, but they also want free flowing football. Sarri simply can’t abandon his principles now, that would be admission of failure, and the players would never be able to trust another decision of him later on. You either do it 100% or not at all.

Luckily all the players who’ve come out and spoke after the game has admitted the failure that was yesterday. Now it’s time to see if they’ll strive to adapt to Sarri’s methods - cause it’s them or him.

 

41 minutes ago, KeepCalmCarryOn said:

omg ive been reading this forum for years, Some of the recent members the last 2 years are absolute plastics.

saying we should be anywhere near sacking sarri is utterly sickening.

dixon and atomis have the worst opinions ive read for years.

embarrassing 

Grow the f**k up........when have I said I want him gone? Its the opposite.......but its clear we have issues and we can only hope Sarri figures something out........minor tweaks will be needed if we continue this form we have been under for 4-5 games now. You go ahead and bury your head in the sand if that suits you...........

1 hour ago, atomis said:

So if this so called blip we are in continues we should just stick with it beacuse? This is when Sarri must earn his corn if we keep on performing like we have for 4 games now.......look at Poch, he constantly mix it up with great success. You play to your strenghts.......last season was such a horror show that so many of us just want free flowing footy, who gives a f**k if it gets us nowhere....is that where we are now?

What f**king success?

1 minute ago, dkw said:

What f**king success?

Success in how they play.........how they adapt. He instantly sees what Works and dont Work.......much like Conte's first season. He knows what he has and how to get it done.......if spurs back him more he will do damage.

9 minutes ago, atomis said:

Success in how they play.........how they adapt. He instantly sees what Works and dont Work.......much like Conte's first season. He knows what he has and how to get it done.......if spurs back him more he will do damage.

And has won nothing, constantly bombing big games.

Just now, dkw said:

And has won nothing, constantly bombing big games.

Ohh please.....he is a quality manager with limited ressorces. He has them in the top 4 consistently and most of all he knows his sh*t. Sarri hasnt won sh*t himself yet people here die for him........he is very astute simple as that. Give him better players and he will do better......I happily have him here thats for sure.

46 minutes ago, atomis said:

 

Grow the f**k up........when have I said I want him gone? Its the opposite.......but its clear we have issues and we can only hope Sarri figures something out........minor tweaks will be needed if we continue this form we have been under for 4-5 games now. You go ahead and bury your head in the sand if that suits you...........

But its not just the last 4 or 5 games tho! Its been clear all season the midfield trio of Kante, Kova and Jorginho are providing zero protection to the back four whenever decent teams have a go at us. Add that to them doing nothing in the opponents half then you have a very deep rooted problem with this team. Sarri is literally trying to reinvent football as we've known it by ditching everything a midfield is supposed to be about. Its crazy nonsense and ex pros are saying it too, tho not quite as bluntly. When someone like Gary Linaker turns on someone like Kante, then you know something is seriously wrong. If I had a million quid I'd bet every penny of it that we have a snowball in hells chance of ever catching City with a midfield as pathetic as this!

Edited November 25, 20187 yr by Dixon

19 minutes ago, Dixon said:

But its not just the last 4 or 5 games tho! Its been clear all season the midfield trio of Kante, Kova and Jorginho are providing zero protection to the back four whenever decent teams have a go at us. Add that to them doing nothing in the opponents half then you have a very deep rooted problem with this team. Sarri is literally trying to reinvent football as we've known it by ditching everything a midfield is supposed to be about. Its crazy nonsense and ex pros are saying it too, tho not quite as bluntly. When someone like Gary Linaker turns on someone like Kante, then you know something is seriously wrong. If I had a million quid I'd bet every penny of it that we have a snowball in hells chance of ever catching City with a midfield as pathetic as this!

We still have a good enough team to battle top 4.....forget the title,aint happening while city can do what they want and the rotten refs actively out to punish us. Lets see where we are at the end of december.......if these issues still persist......and Sarri aint willing to adapt or do tweaks.....then yeah it will be a tough season again. I likes what I saw the first 3months.....could go places. But this League has a habit to spit you out if not careful.......the best managers are here, you are likely to be found out...........its how you response and adapt that will show if you are good enough or nearly men.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

And has won nothing, constantly bombing big games.

There's different rules for certain managers. Have a read of this tripe on Sky Sports: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11563138/how-mauricio-pochettino-got-the-better-of-maurizio-sarri-at-wembley

Pochettino has completely changed the whole club, which is worth far more than winning a trophy," Law said, a view Oliver Holt agreed with.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

And has won nothing, constantly bombing big games.

I know a lot of Chelsea fans can be sadistic, but this minority who idolize Poch are baffling to me.  Yes he's a decent manager, and got the better of Sarri yesterday; however, the man (Poch) has a team, and is in a league that he has had time with.

 

Sarri is a great coach, and the results of being undefeated in all competitions before yesterday (the only team in the Big 5 leagues in Europe allowed to make that claim), i just feel he needs backing and time.  He's refreshingly honest about how we are a few players away, but he also needs players to adapt to his philosophy.  That takes time, and sadly that's something Chelsea as a club are not exactly known for.

Chelsea 3-2 Arsenal

Chelsea 1-1 liverpool 

Chelsea 2-2 man United 

Spurs 3 -1 chelsea

 

Not good enough results against the big boys. Sarri says he knows the problem and knew it before yesterday. Ok then fix it, by the end of the season I expect our defending to actually resemble defending not the coco the clown show.

5 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

There's different rules for certain managers. Have a read of this tripe on Sky Sports: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11563138/how-mauricio-pochettino-got-the-better-of-maurizio-sarri-at-wembley

Pochettino has completely changed the whole club, which is worth far more than winning a trophy," Law said, a view Oliver Holt agreed with.

sweet Lord what an unreal opinion.  As you rightly point out, not an oponion leveled on all managers by these same writers.

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Chelsea 3-2 Arsenal

Chelsea 1-1 liverpool 

Chelsea 2-2 man United 

Spurs 3 -1 chelsea

 

Not good enough results against the big boys. Sarri says he knows the problem and knew it before yesterday. Ok then fix it, by the end of the season I expect our defending to actually resemble defending not the coco the clown show.

Need to spend a few bob then.

11 minutes ago, mad_mac said:

I know a lot of Chelsea fans can be sadistic, but this minority who idolize Poch are baffling to me.  Yes he's a decent manager, and got the better of Sarri yesterday; however, the man (Poch) has a team, and is in a league that he has had time with.

 

Sarri is a great coach, and the results of being undefeated in all competitions before yesterday (the only team in the Big 5 leagues in Europe allowed to make that claim), i just feel he needs backing and time.  He's refreshingly honest about how we are a few players away, but he also needs players to adapt to his philosophy.  That takes time, and sadly that's something Chelsea as a club are not exactly known for.

Why is it idolizing? He is a good manager......I dont think there can be much doubt there.

15 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

There's different rules for certain managers. Have a read of this tripe on Sky Sports: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11563138/how-mauricio-pochettino-got-the-better-of-maurizio-sarri-at-wembley

Pochettino has completely changed the whole club, which is worth far more than winning a trophy," Law said, a view Oliver Holt agreed with.

Spurs are one of the darling Clubs......they can do no wrong and have the likes of kane and ali there........the shining lights of whole Eng.

2 hours ago, atomis said:

Success in how they play.........how they adapt. He instantly sees what Works and dont Work.......much like Conte's first season. He knows what he has and how to get it done.......if spurs back him more he will do damage.

proving my point!

numpty keyboard fan

57 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

There's different rules for certain managers. Have a read of this tripe on Sky Sports: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11563138/how-mauricio-pochettino-got-the-better-of-maurizio-sarri-at-wembley

Pochettino has completely changed the whole club, which is worth far more than winning a trophy," Law said, a view Oliver Holt agreed with.

Oh dear lord, that's embarrassing sh*te. 

Alot of the problems people are talking about now have been there all season, it's a results business and some of these results have glossed over these problems. It took yesterday for some fans to react.

The team selection, how we set up and the subs are all very predictable. No one was suprised to see the lineup yesterday, it is very similar to Conte but maybe Sarri feels he doesn't have the squad to change things. There should always be a plan b though and there's no excuse for Jorginho, if you're constantly being pressed you need to adapt.

Sarri needs a few windows to get his players in, wasn't we linked to CBs in the summer. 

Having seen napoli under sarri a fair few times, I find it hard to criticise Sarri's tactics against spurs, when the team clearly did not play the way he instructed. So many players just didn't turn up yesterday, jorginho and Luiz will obviously attract the most criticism, but rudiger looked like an absolute donkey and the work rate, and pressing from the entire team, especially the front 3, was disgraceful. 

We are not a team that is setup to absorb pressure anymore, we need to play on the front foot. The biggest problem for me at the moment, is the disjointed pressing, which leaves gaps all over the place. City have some great footballers, but they absolutely smoother teams with their pressing. 

I'm a pretty patient fan, I don't want sarri to change what he is doing, surely the whole reason we got sarri in was to change the footballing philosophy over a couple of years? I think some fans like the idea of giving the manager time, but in reality, it's the complete opposite. 

I'm just going to give sarri time to coach the players, and if this time next year, after he has had 3 windows and 18 months to get a team that play the way he wants, we are still having the same problems, then I will be asking questions about whether his tactics and philosophy are best for the club.

In peps first season, city lost 3-1 at home to us, 4-2 away at Leicester, and 4-0 away at Everton, and that was with a stronger group than we have now. 

Klopp lost 7 games in his first season to teams outside the top 6.

pochetino had already lost 5 games by this time in his 1st season, and his away record against the rest of the top 6 was awful in his 1st 2 years.

All 3 of our main competitors have now had a manager and a system in place for numerous seasons, we can no longer just bring quality to fix problems, so we have to do what spurs and Liverpool did, and that is give the manager time, and strengthen as best we can across a few windows. 

 

1 hour ago, Luca Vialli said:

Pochettino has completely changed the whole club

from a club that wins nothing into a club that wins nothing

2 hours ago, opinionsarelike said:

That would be completely fair. Everyone watches football differently, and have their right to do so. I didn’t say anything about my opinion on the matter, so that straw man won’t work with me.

Not really a strawman. An inference from the point and the context. I don't think it's an unfair one, although it may not have been what you meant tbf. 

There are people who complain about us grinding out results in the second half of 2014-15, after we had played very expressive football in the first half. You are definitely saying we shouldn't do that now. We definitely should have done it then, because it won us the title. I don't think you can second guess that. 

2 hours ago, opinionsarelike said:

I just feel that there are a lot of people who swings both ways on this. They want pragmatic football when it’s needed, but they also want free flowing football. Sarri simply can’t abandon his principles now, that would be admission of failure, and the players would never be able to trust another decision of him later on. You either do it 100% or not at all. 

Again, he doesn't need to park the bus and make us a "pragmatic" long ball side. He doesn't need to "abandon his principles". That's a false dichotomy, and actually a strawman.

But, there are weaknesses in the side that were brutally exposed against Spurs. It's his job to ensure that doesn't happen consistently. It's his job to provide the circumstances and situations that get the best out of the players he has, whether that be through team selections or tactical instructions. It's not "100% or not at all". It's finding the balance that gets the best out of these players. 

Managers earn their corn in the sticky patches, when they need to fight fires. 

3 hours ago, opinionsarelike said:

it’s them or him.

If there is one thing the last 15 years have taught me about this club...when it comes down to the manager (him) or the players (them), the answer is nearly always "them". 

23 minutes ago, Liam said:

from a club that wins nothing into a club that wins nothing

We are in the Europa with a manager who has won nothing yet are a lot happier than United fans who are in the CL with a serial winner. While trophies are a heavily important part their has to be a line somewhere, how many Chelsea fans would say they preferred Rafa's season to Jose's first back at Chelsea for example? There's every chance we could go trophyless this year but still have a more enjoyable season than last.

46 minutes ago, big blue said:

Having seen napoli under sarri a fair few times, I find it hard to criticise Sarri's tactics against spurs, when the team clearly did not play the way he instructed. So many players just didn't turn up yesterday, jorginho and Luiz will obviously attract the most criticism, but rudiger looked like an absolute donkey and the work rate, and pressing from the entire team, especially the front 3, was disgraceful. 

We are not a team that is setup to absorb pressure anymore, we need to play on the front foot. The biggest problem for me at the moment, is the disjointed pressing, which leaves gaps all over the place. City have some great footballers, but they absolutely smoother teams with their pressing. 

I'm a pretty patient fan, I don't want sarri to change what he is doing, surely the whole reason we got sarri in was to change the footballing philosophy over a couple of years? I think some fans like the idea of giving the manager time, but in reality, it's the complete opposite. 

I'm just going to give sarri time to coach the players, and if this time next year, after he has had 3 windows and 18 months to get a team that play the way he wants, we are still having the same problems, then I will be asking questions about whether his tactics and philosophy are best for the club.

In peps first season, city lost 3-1 at home to us, 4-2 away at Leicester, and 4-0 away at Everton, and that was with a stronger group than we have now. 

Klopp lost 7 games in his first season to teams outside the top 6.

pochetino had already lost 5 games by this time in his 1st season, and his away record against the rest of the top 6 was awful in his 1st 2 years.

All 3 of our main competitors have now had a manager and a system in place for numerous seasons, we can no longer just bring quality to fix problems, so we have to do what spurs and Liverpool did, and that is give the manager time, and strengthen as best we can across a few windows. 

 

This sums it up for me. We need to accept there is going to be losses during the transition and not throw the toys out of the pram at one loss even if it was disappointing.

What sarri has done so far is quite remarkable and as soon as the pressing is sorted and the passing sped up I think we could be in for some spectacular football like he produced at Napoli.