1 hour ago, Argo said:

Effectively the window is always open at the end of the season whenever.

Given we have no competitive game for three months after the Europa final it doesn't really make too much difference if we officially get it frozen now or in early July, especially if it's looking likely to happen.

If we dont get it froze until mid july, we wouldve been at a major disadvantage this window, how many targets will wait around until the last 2 or 3 weeks on the chance we get a ban lifted. Then we could be banned anyway the follwing summer. 

 

28 minutes ago, big blue said:

If we dont get it froze until mid july, we wouldve been at a major disadvantage this window, how many targets will wait around until the last 2 or 3 weeks on the chance we get a ban lifted. Then we could be banned anyway the follwing summer. 

 

It would be like last summer all over again, no business completed until the second week of July.

So am I right in thinking we won’t hear anything about the transfer ban until July?

29 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

It would be like last summer all over again, no business completed until the second week of July.

lol fair point 

34 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

So am I right in thinking we won’t hear anything about the transfer ban until July?

I think that is when we are anticipating an update from CAS, although I suspect that is only an estimate based on previous cases. In the meantime the club does has the option to request that CAS applies for a freeze in the ban while our appeal is considered. However apparently we have not elected to take up that option so far.

46 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I think that is when we are anticipating an update from CAS, although I suspect that is only an estimate based on previous cases. In the meantime the club does has the option to request that CAS applies for a freeze in the ban while our appeal is considered. However apparently we have not elected to take up that option so far.

to be honest, no one knows if we have or haven't.  If the reports are saying CAS could do it anyway off their own back, then why would we even ask, if its going to be frozen regardless, potentially

Could be that we are waiting until after the final, could be waiting for the international window to open on June 9th.   The board must surely know we cannot go into a season with this squad plus loanees.  My god

I read matt laws piece and he seems to cover all bases, he is not sticking his neck out at all.  Simon Johnson in the Standard just regurgitates other peoples news, very rarely gets his own info

The stories are increasing that we have not lodged an official appeal with CAS.  I also read today that we have 21 days after the FIFA appeal rejection to file with CAS.  That would be 29 May.  

I have read a variety of stories about when we might hear that the ban is frozen upon appeal.  The stories are all over the place from several days, to a few weeks, to a couple of months.  No one seems to know.

A couple of assumptions (dangerous, I know....)

1) I assume Chelsea don't want the ban.  I think this is obvious.  They could get the ban reduced to one window (winter) if the ban were to be frozen and they could buy in the summer while the appeal is considered.

2) The fact that they didn't appeal immediately in order to get the earliest possible clarity on whether they can buy players this summer means (to me) that they are strongly considering the idea of serving the ban.  There are a possible reasons why:

• They don't believe the appeal will be successful at any level
• They don't believe CAS would freeze the ban in time to negotiate and buy the players they want before the window closes.
• They haven't been able to lay the groundwork to purchase the players they want in time to get the deals done
• They have indications that they won't be able to get the players they want because teams will jack up the price knowing how desperate we are to buy while ban is frozen
• They may be looking to sack Sarri this summer (or hope he accepts a job elsewhere) and bring in Lampard & Morris, and that having them operate the first year under a transfer ban would lower the expectations of everyone creating a less pressurized environment in which to gain a year of experience in the PL and CL.  

 

2 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

The stories are increasing that we have not lodged an official appeal with CAS.  I also read today that we have 21 days after the FIFA appeal rejection to file with CAS.  That would be 29 May.  

I have read a variety of stories about when we might hear that the ban is frozen upon appeal.  The stories are all over the place from several days, to a few weeks, to a couple of months.  No one seems to know.

A couple of assumptions (dangerous, I know....)

1) I assume Chelsea don't want the ban.  I think this is obvious.  They could get the ban reduced to one window (winter) if the ban were to be frozen and they could buy in the summer while the appeal is considered.

2) The fact that they didn't appeal immediately in order to get the earliest possible clarity on whether they can buy players this summer means (to me) that they are strongly considering the idea of serving the ban.  There are a possible reasons why:

• They don't believe the appeal will be successful at any level
• They don't believe CAS would freeze the ban in time to negotiate and buy the players they want before the window closes.
• They haven't been able to lay the groundwork to purchase the players they want in time to get the deals done
• They have indications that they won't be able to get the players they want because teams will jack up the price knowing how desperate we are to buy while ban is frozen
• They may be looking to sack Sarri this summer (or hope he accepts a job elsewhere) and bring in Lampard & Morris, and that having them operate the first year under a transfer ban would lower the expectations of everyone creating a less pressurized environment in which to gain a year of experience in the PL and CL.  

 

Some good points there. To add, i read that it is 21 days from when we get fifa's rejection back in writing, as we cant to CAS without it. So if we yet to receive that, then that could be what is causing the delay.

Edited May 21, 20197 yr by big blue

 

appears we have not appealed yet as we are waiting for the written reasons off FIFA.  

1 hour ago, RickUK said:

appears we have not appealed yet as we are waiting for the written reasons off FIFA.  

How long does it take to receive the mail?  The decision to deny the appeal was announced on May 8.

12 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

How long does it take to receive the mail?  The decision to deny the appeal was announced on May 8.

however long FIFA want to take to send it.  I'd imagine itll be soon ish as it gives us chance to appeal during window

1 hour ago, RickUK said:

however long FIFA want to take to send it.  I'd imagine itll be soon ish as it gives us chance to appeal during window

Right.  So we're held hostage basically, as FIFA have no interest in having their punishment overturned or reduced by someone else.  

No team will wait for us to get this sorted - if they get an offer on a player we may be looking at from another club that meets their value, they will sell and not wait for us to get the ban sorted.  We are already behind all the other teams who are able to obtain players.  

We have, in effect, already started serving the ban...…...

Would be excellent if the club released a statement on their intents and how everything looks. Wake up club! 

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Would be excellent if the club released a statement on their intents and how everything looks. Wake up club! 

They have, they said they will appeal, and that they feel the actions were within the rules. I would guess they cant say anymore under legal advice

On 21/05/2019 at 21:39, Boston Blue said:

Right.  So we're held hostage basically, as FIFA have no interest in having their punishment overturned or reduced by someone else.  

No team will wait for us to get this sorted - if they get an offer on a player we may be looking at from another club that meets their value, they will sell and not wait for us to get the ban sorted.  We are already behind all the other teams who are able to obtain players.  

We have, in effect, already started serving the ban...…...

nah fifa would have to send us the written reasons within a timely manner id suspect.  Even the CAS may contact them to say hurry up.

To be honest, serving the ban this year is beginning to grow on me.

Maybe we could use this summer to have a huge reshuffle behind the scenes, we seem to have started already with Cech. Once all of that is done, we can plan ahead and scout targets etc for next year.

Theres young players returning from loan, maybe give one or two players a go? They will feel like new additions.

We can take the ban now and turn it into our favour.

The only thing is Sarri. He seems to be on thin ice, despite achieving good results.

9 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

To be honest, serving the ban this year is beginning to grow on me.

Maybe we could use this summer to have a huge reshuffle behind the scenes, we seem to have started already with Cech. Once all of that is done, we can plan ahead and scout targets etc for next year.

Theres young players returning from loan, maybe give one or two players a go? They will feel like new additions.

We can take the ban now and turn it into our favour.

The only thing is Sarri. He seems to be on thin ice, despite achieving good results.

I think the logic around is that it will give Petr and his team a year to get their feet under the table and sort out a proper direction.

However it can only work if we make Eden see out his deal, while i certainly don't think we will plummet to midtable without him, we will be literally pining our hopes on Pulisic not only hitting the ground running but going up a gear from what we saw at Dortmund if we want to make a really good season  (or Tammy doing a Harry Kane).

Without Ruben and Callum for 3-4 months in the season we are really thin. 

If the ban stays in place, by the time Chirstmas roles around i want to see:

Kepa

Azpi  Rudiger  Luiz  Emerson

Jorginho

Kante       RLC

Pulisic        Tammy   Hudson-Odoi

Throw in Reece James a few times too and that look a good team to take into the following window and build on.

Realistically we'll see:

Kepa

Azpi  Rudiger  Luiz  Alonso

Jorginho

Kante      Barkley

Pedro     Giroud     Willian

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If the ban stays in place, by the time Chirstmas roles around i want to see:

Kepa

Azpi  Rudiger  Luiz  Emerson

Jorginho

Kante       RLC

Pulisic        Tammy   Hudson-Odoi

Throw in Reece James a few times too and that look a good team to take into the following window and build on.

Realistically we'll see:

Kepa

Azpi  Rudiger  Luiz  Alonso

Jorginho

Kante      Barkley

Pedro     Giroud     Willian

 

 

Maybe if lamps come in we would see something like this if everyone is fit:

                                    Kepa

Azpilicueta      Rudiger  David Luiz         Emerson

                                   Kante

                        Mount         Loftus Cheek

Pulisic                     Abraham              Hudson Odoi

Possibly even see Azpilicueta moved to left back, and Reece James start at right back, since according to that clip, Lamps doesnt have his full backs push very high.

Just a thought - I think there's a good chance we're using delay tactics here and won't appeal to CAS until the last minute.  Reason being, they then have a small window of time to make a decision, and if they can't get this done, it's likely that they will suspend the band until they've sorted things out, which would mean we can sign players in the summer.

If the ban gets frozen, we might have an exciting transfer window because we could, in theory, spend 3 windows worth in one summer.  Especially with the best part of £100 million available from the (likely) Hazard sale!

This article suggests that there is a reason we might be stallng with CAS:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/23/chelsea-might-accept-transfer-ban-bid-see-reduced-9658111/

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Realistically we'll see:

Kepa

Azpi  Rudiger  Luiz  Alonso

Jorginho

Kante      Barkley

Pedro     Giroud     Willian?

 

That lineup will free up a lot of time for me. I seriously can't handle a season with a first choice front line like that. 

If Hazard leaves and we are serving the ban, we will be left with 3 options on the wing - Pedro, Willian, and Pulisic. Hopefully CHO will be able to recover quickly enough to be involved as a 4th option for a decent chunk of the season. Of those first 3 I think Pedro would realistically start the season as the 3rd choice, so I would expect Pulisic and Willian starting most games. Willian and Pedro have 1 more year on their respective contracts. Assuming that the transfer ban is served by summer of 2020 I don't see either of them getting extended and they will likely leave for free at the end of their contracts. Depending on how CHO is progressing we will then have the option to bring in either new starters or backups in those positions. I imagine most of us hope to see Pulisic/CHO starting in the 2 wing positions starting 2020-21 season.

Giroud will probably start next season as first choice. With that in mind it is highly doubtful that we extend Higuaín. Most likely Bats and Tammy will be brought back from loan as alternatives.