4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Boycotts rarely ever work and these days there are more international fans attending games who aren’t going to boycott a game after making an expensive trip.

Even with those factored in if even half the regulars voted with their feet there isn't a snowball in hells chance we sell out. We even struggle at times as it is (just a quick look at the ticket section of the website the Dortmund isn't even sold out yet).

I say empty but it doesn't even have to be that. Just a half full Stamford Bridge would put the owners under unbelievable pressure, loss of income and damage to the brand would be massive.

14 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Boycotts rarely ever work and these days there are more international fans attending games who aren’t going to boycott a game after making an expensive trip.

There are but they don't make up the hardcore of our support. Look at when we were sanctioned about 10,000 short of capacity and that 10,000 shortfall wasn't all tourists. There won't be any boycott but Boehly is going to have thick skin in the next couple of games if things go wrong and he's at the match. Personally I believe Potter knows he's doomed and it's only a matter of time before he's shown the door.

Everyone saying we aren't changing due to ego and owners would be embarrassed.

Could it be anymore embarrassing than it currently is?  Perhaps making a decision would garner more respect in a push to get things right.  

1 hour ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

In order to successfully run a football club, you need to be good at football. 

Data are an extremely valuable tool for those good at football, but cannot replace them. Consider recruitment for example: You can analyse a player's current performances from every single angle, but the all-decisive question of how they will perform within your teams always requires an element of judgment. 

There have been 13 transfers above EUR 100m in football history. I'd assume in 70% of these cases the fans were excited, and 30% of them turned out to be a resounding success. Did the other 70% fail because the club management only based their decision on 2 youtube compilations and transfermarkt.de? The most expensive transfers should be the most likely to succeed at their new club (hence the most expensive), but history teaches us that these football decisions are incredibly risky judgment calls every single time. Professionals and fans constantly get it wrong, and it's really the teams with the least mistakes that end up with the upper hand most of the time. 

So forget all their prior successes in other industries, there are only two things that would make me optimistic about the new owners: Either they're very good at football, or they hire people to run the club that are very good at football. So far all I've heard is that they'll implement the genius structures from other sports, and that has me extremely concerned. 

Roman was no football genius, he kind of was another fan with shed loads of money to spare. The structure he had in place was Emenalo and not much other than Cech and Marina after Emenalo left. Boehly has hired several recruitment people and Christopher Vivell (highly talked about for his work at RB Leipzig) to get a structure in place that will be responsible for the player/team recruitment plan. They are starting to work but still we have had a highly praised (by most in here) winter window, especially getting Enzo Fernandez, but also a promising youngsters in Mudryk and Badiashile. Also, this notion that to run successfully a football team you have to have some kind of special gift is just wrong. If you have the right personnel at the club for the key , there will be success, just like it happens in any other company. So all the appointments they have made since the bad summer window, point to the fact that the owners are clever people that know what they need to make Chelsea a successul football Club. Whether the appointments work out or not will be judged in the future, just like the players, but the movements there have been from the top are in the right direction.

58 minutes ago, RMH said:

Roman was no football genius, he kind of was another fan with shed loads of money to spare. The structure he had in place was Emenalo and not much other than Cech and Marina after Emenalo left. Boehly has hired several recruitment people and Christopher Vivell (highly talked about for his work at RB Leipzig) to get a structure in place that will be responsible for the player/team recruitment plan. They are starting to work but still we have had a highly praised (by most in here) winter window, especially getting Enzo Fernandez, but also a promising youngsters in Mudryk and Badiashile. Also, this notion that to run successfully a football team you have to have some kind of special gift is just wrong. If you have the right personnel at the club for the key , there will be success, just like it happens in any other company. So all the appointments they have made since the bad summer window, point to the fact that the owners are clever people that know what they need to make Chelsea a successul football Club. Whether the appointments work out or not will be judged in the future, just like the players, but the movements there have been from the top are in the right direction.

I agree with all of this, and if we look at player recruitment in isolation, I liked the winter window. If I look at the whole context of player recruitment + manager recruitment + Boehly's interview comments, I'm very concerned.

Asked about Tuchel, Boehly stated that he did not want to collaborate with the owners on their new ideas for the club, such as the sharing of data between the first team and the academy. He then went on to point out how football generally has a lot to learn from US sports.

Tuchel has always pointed out that he wants to be left alone coaching the team and have as little as possible to do with the rest. He certainly wasn't fired over some data analysis tool. I have no doubt that Boehly etc had a number of absurd "idea transplants" interfering with Tuchel's work. This would also explain the hiring of Potter, an amenable and unproven manager who would accept the job under any circumstances. If they end up firing him, I fear they will look for the same profile again.

So while recruitment has been good, I get the impression that the new owners have completely misjudged the significance of the coach in a football club.

32 minutes ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

I agree with all of this, and if we look at player recruitment in isolation, I liked the winter window. If I look at the whole context of player recruitment + manager recruitment + Boehly's interview comments, I'm very concerned.

Asked about Tuchel, Boehly stated that he did not want to collaborate with the owners on their new ideas for the club, such as the sharing of data between the first team and the academy. He then went on to point out how football generally has a lot to learn from US sports.

Tuchel has always pointed out that he wants to be left alone coaching the team and have as little as possible to do with the rest. He certainly wasn't fired over some data analysis tool. I have no doubt that Boehly etc had a number of absurd "idea transplants" interfering with Tuchel's work. This would also explain the hiring of Potter, an amenable and unproven manager who would accept the job under any circumstances. If they end up firing him, I fear they will look for the same profile again.

So while recruitment has been good, I get the impression that the new owners have completely misjudged the significance of the coach in a football club.

I always thought the whole point of the Director of Football was to have someone doing all the collaboration between the first team and wherever else in the club requires collaboration, essentially being a buffer between the coach and the board, and thus leaving the coach free to coach.

Probably be Potter's next excuse .. that he's had too much other crap to do for Boehly rather than focussing 100% on the team LOL

 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

Not saying this in defense of Boehly as I am still not sure what to think of him, but constantly reading people going on about him wanting to play 443/Thinking we'd get first pick in the draft if we finish last/Sacking Tuchel because he didn't want Ronaldo is becoming exhausting.

There's no shred of evidence of the 443 thing. Vivell would have put the draft matter to bed within a few seconds. And even with ''yes man'' Potter in charge and Ronaldo desperate to go to any CL club in the winter we didn't end up signing him.

There are plenty of things to criticize the board for, but this Twitter drivel is just bait and a lot of fans are falling for it unfortunately. 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by yaz
Meant to say winter window rather than summer

22 minutes ago, yaz said:

Not saying this in defense of Boehly as I am still not sure what to think of him, but constantly reading people going on about him wanting to play 443/Thinking we'd get first pick in the draft if we finish last/Sacking Tuchel because he didn't want Ronaldo is becoming exhausting.

There's no shred of evidence of the 443 thing. Vivell would have put the draft matter to bed within a few seconds. And even with ''yes man'' Potter in charge and Ronaldo desperate to go to any CL club in the summer we didn't end up signing him.

There are plenty of things to criticize the board for, but this Twitter drivel is just bait and a lot of fans are falling for it unfortunately. 

Twitter is a cesspool its horrible it use to be decent but gotten even worst over the last 6 months

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by El regreso

I may have missed it but have the owners put out a plan for the future so we can understand the transfers and manager appointment.

Also maybe a statement on how they view our present situation and their opinion on why they think Potter is the best man to lead us for the foreseeable future?

8 minutes ago, yaz said:

even with ''yes man'' Potter in charge and Ronaldo desperate to go to any CL club in the summer we didn't end up signing him.

I think a lot of the 4-4-3 and draft talk are said in Jest.

but Potter only came in after the summer window had closed and we were in such a mess by January Ronaldo would have rejected us.

And it's very hard to imagine Ronaldo being willing to play for any team managed by Graham Potter given he's clearly obsessed with his individual goal tally more than anything else and Potter teams don't score goals.

I definitely think with a weaker manager we could have seen Ronaldo join us in the summer and it seems something Boehly would personally push for there was certainly something with Mendes and Ronaldo apparently was under the impression we were an option in the summer.

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

21 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I reckon he will take over the team next week, he would be thinking how hard would this f* sports be? Let Potter do the press, Boehly picks 11 out of his signings, give them a kick in the backside they deserved for a long time, and go play the way they been taught before joined Chelea. I mean what's there to lose, we may just beat Leeds with Boehly in charge.

Todd is too busy treating injured players after he got his first aid certificate.

Mind you he put £1,000 behind the bar at the Fox a few weeks ago, so he must be a great geezer.

All our gloating over the January spending spree and the anger of other fans hasn't worked out ...yet.  But it's a long long long term plan. 

Don't forget we're getting a new stadium too !

 

 

1 hour ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

I agree with all of this, and if we look at player recruitment in isolation, I liked the winter window. If I look at the whole context of player recruitment + manager recruitment + Boehly's interview comments, I'm very concerned.

Asked about Tuchel, Boehly stated that he did not want to collaborate with the owners on their new ideas for the club, such as the sharing of data between the first team and the academy. He then went on to point out how football generally has a lot to learn from US sports.

Tuchel has always pointed out that he wants to be left alone coaching the team and have as little as possible to do with the rest. He certainly wasn't fired over some data analysis tool. I have no doubt that Boehly etc had a number of absurd "idea transplants" interfering with Tuchel's work. This would also explain the hiring of Potter, an amenable and unproven manager who would accept the job under any circumstances. If they end up firing him, I fear they will look for the same profile again.

So while recruitment has been good, I get the impression that the new owners have completely misjudged the significance of the coach in a football club.

One of the first things Boehley had to do was sanction £100 m Lukaku bought for Tuchel,  going out on loan .

Apparently he wanted TT to explain the rationale behind spending on new players, how they would improve the team etc.

A power point presentation would have helprd.TT with that !

Potter distanced himself from the lasted transfers by saying that he concentrates on coaching and leaves that stuff to others 

Nothing makes sense anymore 😛😛😛

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Andy Goldstein reckons the last greyhound to win at the old track at the Bridge was ... Potter's Luck !

Gotta be a leg pull surely ?

39 minutes ago, yaz said:

Not saying this in defense of Boehly as I am still not sure what to think of him, but constantly reading people going on about him wanting to play 443/Thinking we'd get first pick in the draft if we finish last/Sacking Tuchel because he didn't want Ronaldo is becoming exhausting.

There's no shred of evidence of the 443 thing. Vivell would have put the draft matter to bed within a few seconds. And even with ''yes man'' Potter in charge and Ronaldo desperate to go to any CL club in the winter we didn't end up signing him.

There are plenty of things to criticize the board for, but this Twitter drivel is just bait and a lot of fans are falling for it unfortunately. 

These stories are indeed unconfirmed and absurd. But regardless of whether these specific tales are true or not, we know from the owner's own statement that absurd stuff like this has happened at the start of this season.

- He sacked Tuchel because he didn't want to collaborate in the execution of his new ideas.

- Tuchel has repeatedly said he only wants to be left to do the coaching. He also said that he loved his life at Chelsea and reportedly pleaded to be given a second chance after the sack.

- He replaced Tuchel with someone of the profile and communication style of Potter.

Out of all the mistakes I could have pictured the new owners to make after entering the new sport, I could have never believed they'd make the farcical mistake of personally interfering with Tuchel's job, and apparently neither could Tuchel. Yet Boehly publicly confirmed it. These guys for once summarised it quite well back then: 

 

I do wonder where we would be right now had Roman/Raine Group/UK government picked Sir Martins consortium 

2 hours ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

I agree with all of this, and if we look at player recruitment in isolation, I liked the winter window. If I look at the whole context of player recruitment + manager recruitment + Boehly's interview comments, I'm very concerned.

Asked about Tuchel, Boehly stated that he did not want to collaborate with the owners on their new ideas for the club, such as the sharing of data between the first team and the academy. He then went on to point out how football generally has a lot to learn from US sports.

Tuchel has always pointed out that he wants to be left alone coaching the team and have as little as possible to do with the rest. He certainly wasn't fired over some data analysis tool. I have no doubt that Boehly etc had a number of absurd "idea transplants" interfering with Tuchel's work. This would also explain the hiring of Potter, an amenable and unproven manager who would accept the job under any circumstances. If they end up firing him, I fear they will look for the same profile again.

So while recruitment has been good, I get the impression that the new owners have completely misjudged the significance of the coach in a football club.

It was the disjointed and lack of a footballing structure communicating across the different levels that were damaging to the club in the last years of Roman’s tenure. And of course is good that the coach works with the rest of the people in the Club to have a consistent plan from the academy to the first team, to exchange data to complement and develop talent for the right positions, with the right technique, etc. In my opinion, they understand the relevance of the coaching team and the first team coach, to the point that they want to take into consideration his views and him to collaborate with the rest of the people, and perhaps not wanting to collaborate and get involved in discussions with other levels of the structure is what got Tuchel sacked, I don’t know, but certainly I think they are showing to have the right mentality. In any job, you have to collaborate with others.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I do wonder where we would be right now had Roman/Raine Group/UK government picked Sir Martins consortium 

Wasnt it leaked that Sir Martin wouldnt have spent as much money? We probably would have been run like spurs.

44 minutes ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

These stories are indeed unconfirmed and absurd. But regardless of whether these specific tales are true or not, we know from the owner's own statement that absurd stuff like this has happened at the start of this season.

- He sacked Tuchel because he didn't want to collaborate in the execution of his new ideas.

- Tuchel has repeatedly said he only wants to be left to do the coaching. He also said that he loved his life at Chelsea and reportedly pleaded to be given a second chance after the sack.

- He replaced Tuchel with someone of the profile and communication style of Potter.

Out of all the mistakes I could have pictured the new owners to make after entering the new sport, I could have never believed they'd make the farcical mistake of personally interfering with Tuchel's job, and apparently neither could Tuchel. Yet Boehly publicly confirmed it. These guys for once summarised it quite well back then:

Absolutely, plenty of valid criticisme can be addressed at the board, but I was particularly trying to point out the absurdities. You come in here trying to read people's insight about the situation and you get hit with ''Boehly doesn't know there's relegation''. It becomes tiresome.

29 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I do wonder where we would be right now had Roman/Raine Group/UK government picked Sir Martins consortium 

He was my choice but a ridiculous too late bid apparently.

We were rushed into this because of the deadline that was imposed instead of considering his bid even if it was late.

I thought he might be in the Roman mold , instead of our investors looking to make money.

28 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Wasnt it leaked that Sir Martin wouldnt have spent as much money? We probably would have been run like spurs.

 

Spending all that money hasn't helped much, And that sh*t spurs have a great stadium and just beat us easily.

f**k Spurs anyway 

3 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

 

Spending all that money hasn't helped much, And that sh*t spurs have a great stadium and just beat us easily.

f**k Spurs anyway 

Fair, but even though it hasn't helped it does show that there is at least ambition and some might argue we just don't have the right captain steering the ship. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/27/chelsea-plan-to-stand-by-graham-potter-even-if-they-lose-to-leeds-and-dortmund?CMP=share_btn_tw

He's staying until next season confirmed 

4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Fair, but even though it hasn't helped it does show that there is at least ambition and some might argue we just don't have the right captain steering the ship. 

We're on the Titanic mate !

7 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Fair, but even though it hasn't helped it does show that there is at least ambition and some might argue we just don't have the right captain steering the ship. 

We're on the Titanic mate !

At least Todd is saving money on those performance related bonuses!